what idiotic beef did you start with someone this time
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actual insane that he's still like this even after Frost left, guess Frost was right, mf is racist
? he’s completely fine with everyone else, just not the ppl that accused him of cheating or the ppl that agreed/supported/fueled the accusations
what did Jovi do exactly?
Also, the entire beef with Frost was from how racist t0rm0 was toward him offstream, which lead to the no fistbump, it has nothing to do with scrim-sharing accusation. Frost confirmed this in his podcast.
termi clearly mentioned there were near zero interaction between himself and frost until frost suddenly decided to disrespect him
Calling termi racist when fr0st is the one who called out koreans as a whole in his podcast.. lmao
tbf from fr0st's POV termi apparently gave him the cold shoulder several times when he was trying to be friendly initially
idk if it was just a misunderstanding or what but fr0st's initial impression was that termi did not like him from their first meeting onwards
(downfragged for stating factual information????)
Here’s a list of everything that this beef is about, and yes the beef eventually became about scrim sharing as well
Termi ignored Fr0st when they first met
Fr0st dissed termi several times on his podcast.
Fr0st implied all the kr teams are scrim sharing
Termi said he wasn’t raised right
Fr0st once again says the Kr teams are scrim sharing, implying they all don’t deserve their wins bc they are cheating
Termi called out Fr0st on his bullshit and Fr0st did not respond
Fr0st did not fistbump termi and called him a motherfucker
Termi also said he should leave Pacific and go back to the US(Which he did but he came crawling back bc nobody would offer him a job)
Jovi, his assistant coach at the time, as well as many other of Talon’s staff, actively supported Fr0st in all of this and fueled the accusations as well.
Any proper source? Seems like you made up a lot of this things cause I don't remember some of these happening between frost and termi.
- facts exist
- state the facts
- state exactly where to find the information when questioned
vlr: -2 frags
these people just just have their own narrative built and facts wont change it
- Frost and Termi’s beef wasn’t about scrim sharing, just between them.
- Frost and Termi met for the first time at the coaching table content piece in the first year.
- He went to say “Hello” to Termi and stuck his hand out. Frost thought Termi didn’t see him the first time.
- He met Termi again at the content piece again and said “Bye” to Termi sarcastically. Termi just walks away.
- Frost thought the first time could have been a mistake but when it happened twice, he knew that it wasn’t an accident and thinks that Termi doesn’t like him.
- Frost has already not fistbumped last year and Termi was talking in an interview about how unsportsmanlike, disrespectful Frost was, how their abyss was trash, and etc.
- Babybay clarified if that was the interview that was mistranslated and it wasn’t.
- Frost said that the one mistranslated was that “about his mom”. The correct translation was that “he had bad manners.” A random person posted on social media with English subtitles. > - Frost wasn’t the one that noticed it but a talon person showed it to him. Frost didn’t even talk about it either on any platform.
- After a year of insults and jabs around him, The walkout was starting. Frost looked across and for 30 seconds, Termi didn’t look at him once. This was 3 months ago in Split 1 where did they not fistbump. Frost said “Lets not even fucking pretend bro and mofo lets play the game” in the stage to Termi.
- He said to DRX players when they were in stage “Goodluck, this is between me and Termi.”
- In his scrum interview, it was between him and Termi. He also gave flowers to Mako, and etc.
- Frost didn't expect that people would seem so aghast(shocked) at the fistbump situation when it happened before.
- Frost was confused that if the fistbump was so disrespectful, Why was Termi taking shots about him in interviews.
- If they were going to fistbump or get dapped up, Frost thinks there should be mutual respect.
- Termi insinuated that he wanted to fight Frost in the scrum interview 3 months ago and had an inflammatory interview and Frost said if he said that, what would the discourse be?
- In 25 min of the video, he thinks there is a lot of double standard between him and Termi. Frost said “Are we even talking about the same person, the one with moral ground, calculated, and etc?” If you look at the behavior from both sides, He doesn’t know if those words apply to Termi.
- If Frost had said about the go back to your country stuff, the defenders would have not defended him.
funny how y'all talk abt stating the facts on Reddit, while ignoring the facts stated on Reddit.
hypocrites.
Yes bro, we get the point, Fr0st doesn’t like Termi, and Termi doesn’t like Fr0st. They both threw jabs at each other. Literally not a SINGLE soul disputed that fact. What we are talking about is the reason Termi doesn’t like Fr0st.
All you are doing is proving that guys point, you are so up your own ass that you don’t even know what I was arguing.
y'all said "you need the full story" while only telling part of the story, here's the full story and your response is "we already said that".
lmao, y'all can't be reasoned with.
what I was arguing
I wasn't even speaking to you lol, alt account spotted
he isnt making any of this up, I have seen the same reddit threads and can confirm
also it was additonally worsened by the fact that serveral times translators have either completely or partially mistranslated what termi said in interviews about fr0st and it has made the beef MUCH worse
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1mprgso/why_frost_dont_like_termi_spiketalk_episode_39/
here is a pretty comprehensive summary of fr0st's POV
also who the fuck is downfragging all the comments telling the truth
the interviews and evidence is literally out there, what is there to disagree with...
We know who these "some people" are but you're racist if you point it out lol. It's okay for a lot of them to generalize and dehumanize Korea but it's apparently Koreans that are racists
Well according to that post the beef betwn frost and termi doesn't really seem to be related to scrims sharing and stuff while the guy above is actually exaggerating some of the stuff like trying to make it seem frost has been the main problem in this beef. But according to the post it seems like both are equally at fault and kids in adult body.
Ngl getting a feeling that people defend termi more just cause he is Korean which happens a lot in vlr actually. Both are behaving like kids in reality and both are equally at fault.
You have a severe confirmation bias if you think people in vlr protects Termi of all people. And even if they did it sure as hell wouldn't be "because he's Korean". Sea people and Indians on the internet hates Korea and 99% of the Asians on this site are non east Asians.
Lol sea and indian people are some of the biggest Korea glazers too in the internet. Again just my observation but Koreans pros or teams being glazed is what I have noticed for some time now in vlr. For example I have seen people glaze mid players or teams suddenly if they are korean even though they would never have known about those players or teams in past. Nothing wrong with that but people generally do have certain biasness towards Korean and Japanese pros and teams in vlr. Just what I have noticed.
brother you're arguing with a guy called "HyunminFanboy", you're not gonna be able to get him off DRX's dicks
all the sea people fucking hate korean teams bro
idk what you are talking about
nobody but a few people like japanese teams because they suck dick and balls
korean teams have lots of fans because korean teams are good at the game on average
if they were trash nobody would give a shit
I mean it's natural for a sport/esports team to be glazed when they're doing well no? Is Korea not one of the best country in this game or not? If that still doesnt explain your perception of Koreans being glazed, I would love to hear some examples where you think someone or a team is getting glazed just because they are Korean because that might help me understand your perspective more.
Now we are stating false info there are quite a lot of people who love K-pop here in India so I don’t where the hate is coming from I know at the same time there are shitheads who dislike K-pop as well in here
K-pop is not Korea. More often than not, the people who're into k-pop/ K-drama are the same ones who dehumanizes Korea because they assume that because they consume Korean content all they long that have the right to and that they are knowledgeable enough to make problematic generalized statements about Korea and it's people without batting an eye. Twitter is the biggest example of this but YouTube comment section is just as bad. Not all of them—they're probably not even the majority but just a VERY loud minority but it's nevertheless because of them that hate towards Korea is way more rampant on the internet than any other countries except India and israel
Nothing in the vlr comment in question is contradicted by the post and it lines up pretty well.
Idk what he is being accused of lying about? The beef didn't start with scrim sharing but the accusations of it certainly made it way worse. Everything he said is true, even the stuff about frost. All he did was diss frost a bit more at the end.
If termi was disrespectful first it was his fault, but if frost misinterpreted termi's initial feelings towards him then it is entirely on him. I am siding with termi here because out of all the other coaches in VCT none have issues with him except for frost afaik. All the shit frost has said is just straight up unsubstantiated, from the initial accusation of termi not liking him to the accusations of scrim sharing. Any disrespect frost has complained about in termi interviews is just grossly mistranslated. Termi has not said anything beyond saying that frost is disrespectful, which is entirely true. Calling your opponent a motherfucker on stage is not respectful. Not fistbumping over some perceived disrespect is also not respectful.
Also not sure why you think being korean makes you more defensible... All I see is one side leaning into supposed impressions of disrespect and making unsubstantiated allegations of scrim sharing.
?? he's never been he just doesnt fuck with people who accuse him? isnt that normal? also it was frost and jovi who started it not him, termi was still gonna shake his hand too
40 years of age and he refuses a simple fist bump over something that happened ages ago
no its the principle of sportsmanship
you can't be a grown man and whining about something happening in a heated competitive scene
worse things have happened and nobody bats an eye. I’m pretty sure vlr user care more about this than jovi himself.
So funny you said that, bc when Fr0st did everyone found it funny asf and loved the drama, but when termi does it, all of a sudden it’s unsportsmanlike
he couldnt even come out to the talon guys in regular season shows he has lack of sportsmanship like hes got shit with frost and ya ok but the players didnt do shit to you
Some of the greatest rivalries in sports history are bc both side hate each other. If you’ve never experienced this i’m afraid you haven’t gotten to a high enough level.
Isn't this the complete opposite of the take you had back during the original termi drama
I never had a problem with him not fist bumping. I don’t even think I was watching that match.
I had a problem with him losing and then hopping on twitter right after to accuse termi of disrespecting his mom
messi and ronaldo have the best rivalry in sports history
definitely do not hate each other
you are just completely clueless
nadal federer? best friends btw
theres probably 1 in 100 rivalries where they actually hate each other to the point they're unsportsmanlike
if anything YOU would be cherry picking because there's so few cases of it
barca madrid,
Ohio Michigan
Boca jrs riverplate(ppl died btw)
Lebron and the entire Celtics big 3
Suarez vs Ghana
Shall i go on?
Don't try to explain that to the Vlrlians
They won't listen and won't try to
Its just wasting time
it's especially ironic considering Termi was the one who called Frost unsportsmanlike first, yet here he is refusing to be sportsmanlike with someone who had fuck all to do with it except for being Frost's co-worker LMAOO
Yk that’s crazy, he NEVER said that, literally never.
Ppl who defend Fr0st are so stupid, willing to put aside literal facts bc it doesn’t fit their narrative
Oh my, I had no idea Termi had a 2nd job as DRX’s social media manager
If I am not wrong wasn’t people arguing that it’s just fist bump and be sportmanship when it came to frost head so why is termi not doing it lol that to it is not even frost atp
time for another 5-6th place finish in champs to extend his contract by 10 years
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