MIBR and VIT are NOT superteams

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athemys

Can we stop calling VIT and MIBR superteams?

TEAMS that "only" have 2 proven "superstar" players like Zekken and Aspas for MIBR || Derke and Chronicle for VIT ARE NOT SUPERTEAMS IMHO.
FNATIC was the only superteam with Leo, Derke, Chronicle and Alfajer all playing like top 5/10 players in the region in 2022 and all of them ended up playing like top 5 in the world in 2023.

I feel like you need at least 3 PROVEN "superstar" players in a team to qualify for the "superteam status". And even then, you'd need 2 more decent players.

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MatikaneTannhauser

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yes

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c4rrotstix

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verno??????????

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Linardinssssss

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"PROVEN SUPERSTAR"

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c4rrotstix

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alfajer was a "proven superstar" after one year on 2022 fnatic (5th/6th place btw)

but we can't call the man who aspas chose as his igl and took a fucking shitcan in xenom to top 5/6 at champs a proven superstar yeah sure

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Linardinssssss

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Brother verno is a very good player yes but hes not a superstar

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Elby56

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Verno is a star, not a super star.

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bobwoblob

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He's been playing for one year

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Tempest24

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and hes been great in that one year

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zuhazuhazyhazyha

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u could say hes been super

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Tempest24

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ion get the joke sorry

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beaturnuts

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bros best placement at masters wasnt even top 3

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c4rrotstix

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and in 2022 zekken's best placement was 5th/6th but let's use team achievements to rank individual players

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9wntr

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aspas zekken verno
2025 verno absolutely played top 5 ini in NA level

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Galactc

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Fnc wasn't even a superteam though why do we make it sound like it is

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serro

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vit no, mibr are a superteam.
aspas is simply too good and verno proved himself last year and he was def a top 5 ini in americas.
zekken is already a goated duelist and in 2022 he was an amazing flex for xset, and he can play any role to a world class level.
mazino and tex were both really good on leviatan at setting up aspas to go nuclear, so yes, this is a superteam. especially since you don't have it0p0t0 coaching and you have frod.

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athemys

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I just feel like we need to draw a line between superstars and really good players.

I mean this is just my opinion and from what I've seen in other sports, but basically you can only really call a team a superteam if the majority of players are proven "superstars".

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Arun777

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feel like some ppl that post threads dont watch film clearly

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serot

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VIT have a top 4 IGL and coaching combo in region who made the run with arguably with a budget roster + the most hyped prospect in emea t2
its not just some nobodies

MIBR are literally the top 3 in 2024 champs LEV core with two arguable huge upgrades in zekken and verno, both of whom are proven, and the lev core itself is proven

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serro 🤝 serot

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serot

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thank you twin

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athemys

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Verno can also be inconsistent as we've seen throughout this year. Jamppi is even more prone to incosistent performances even tho he might be the better IGL, while zekken and aspas + derke and chronicle are probably in the top 10 most consistent players list of all time. Thus, they are the only "superstar" players on their teams.

Can u really be a proven superstar caliber player without having an insanely consistent year like all of these players had either in 2025/24/23/22.
And if you're not a superstar caliber player why would your team get the superteam status? I just don't see how Verno or Jamppi would qualify as superstars.

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serot

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a superteam doesn't need to have 5 superstars to be considered a superteam, they just need enough to be strong on paper
a superteam just needs a proven foundation of success to assume future success

this foundation of success is either the players or the system:

BBL are basically exporting their successful 2024 system to VIT and upgrading with two of the best players in the world + the best young talent they can get
the proven LEV 24 core with an arguably much better coach and two undisputable firepower upgrades thru zekken and verno; keep in mind that this verno frod IGL core is also a top 4 champs system

also verno slander is crazy, he was easily within the top 3 recon players in the region until he started IGLing

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athemys

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never said 5. Did u even read my comment? I said MAJORITY, so in valorant that means 3 players.

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serot

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BBL have derke chron sayo
MIBR have aspas zekken verno

In CS Falcons were considered a superteam with just + niko + monesy

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akcolade

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CS falcons had magisk as a third star - he was playing like the top 1 anchor at the time he got added to the roster

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athemys

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For context, in most sports ppl only call a team superteam if the majority of the players are proven superstars.
(This is just what I've seen throughout the years, maybe the opinions have shifted, but even in CS2 only teams that were called superteams have had 3 or more proven superstar players.

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glittering_yard

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WE are super

Shitality isnt 😹😹😹

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Shadow_Monarch

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Imo SuperTeams consists of 4 great players.

Examples:
LOUD - Aspas Less Sacy Pancada
FNC - Derke Leo Alfajer Chronicle
T1 - Meteor Buzz Stax Munchkin (Questionable but all still won Masters)

Neither MIBR or VIT are SuperTeams.

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Steelz

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saadhak had better consistency than pancanda after loud22

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If a superteam ain’t got 3 trophies it ain’t a superteam

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MrHyphon

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The Fnatic take is completely hindsight

Chronicle couldn’t qual for a LAN in 2022
Leo was a solid player but not superstar status yet
Alfa had a role swap
Boaster Derke were regarded as chokers

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Galactc

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Exactly how tf is this a superteam

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athemys

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Alfa and Leo were insane in 2022. Chronicle might be a stretch but we can all agree even he proved himself to be a "superstar caliber" player a year before that.

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MrHyphon

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Compare that team to this MIBR team now and you’ll see how similar they look

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milflover92

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amnesia take, this team was WIDELYYYY regarded as a superteam in 2023 before the season started, and players like Derke, Chronicle, and Leo were already at superstar status. The only question mark was Boaster's IGLing but I think it was quickly hushed when LOCK//IN started. Chron also lost to FNATIC in that world record 23-21 Split game to qualify, and M3C not making an int'l is known to be a Riot decision on CIS teams and bad circumstances for the Russian squad. Either you weren't there during that 2022-2023 rostermania or you just forgot, this team was EXTREMELY clearly #1 in EMEA no question before the season even started.

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glittering_yard

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no it was not, like bro said above Derke and Boaster were known chokers, Chronicle, Leo and Alfajer were all internationally irrelevant in 2022. The roster wasnt bad, but it wasnt called a superteam

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milflover92

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https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a Leo is internationally relevant in 2022.

Also, Alfajer in Copenhagen has a higher rating than Derke (1.10 to 1.09). Again, these are internationally relevant players, we just either weren't there at the time or we forgot.

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MrHyphon

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Alfajer himself was a crazy talent on his own. The problem at the time and the problem with every superteam was roles. NAVI 23, NRG 24, SEN 23, VIT 25. Role issues killed every team and Fnatic just found out what they needed to do.

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Galactc

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this team Was EXTREMELY clearly #1 in EMEA no question before the season even started.

That's just not a statement that can ever be made tbh and there were far more questions than boaster's igling alfa was still relatively new Leo while clearly good hadn't actually proved to do that much chronicle had an unfortunate year and boaster and derke were the chokers of pre-franchising people are severly overrating this team because of what they did after it was formed and at that point it's not a superteam they just won stuff

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milflover92

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literally what are we talking about, they were #1 before the season started. They were SO GOOD on paper that even plat chat got it right in October 2022. https://imgur.com/a/T01P9MD

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Can we stop calling VIT and MIBR superteams?

TEAMS that "only" have 2 proven "superstar" players like Zekken and Aspas for MIBR || Derke and Chronicle for VIT ARE NOT SUPERTEAMS IMHO.
FNATIC was the only superteam with Leo, Chronicle and Alfajer all playing like top 5 players in the region in 2022 and all of them ended up playing like top 5 in the world in 2023.

I feel like you need at least 3 PROVEN "superstar" players in a team to qualify for the "superteam status". And even then, you'd need 2 more decent players.

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athemys

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This is not a fnatic fan post btw if u just came here to hate on fnatic or me. I'm a day 1 zekken enjoyer so I'll probably be rooting for MIBR.

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I disagree as the definition of superteam will change over time. Currently we are still recycling cs talent, there’s like 3 good igls who can shoot and like 5 people who’ve won more than one trophy. There’s just not enough “superstars” in the game yet, especially to fill all roles. When an org wants to make a title contender team they get a couple proven superstars and a potential one, as well as solid coach/igl pairing. As long as they don’t have an obvious weakness that’s my definition atm.

Technically Fnatic 2025 and PRX 2026 qualify for that but those rosters just carry over mostly and don’t have the same intention that VIT or MIBR have

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Aayan

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FNATIC was the only superteam with Leo, Chronicle and Alfajer

Derke snubbed 🥀

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athemys

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lol I completely forgot about him icl. Yeah I meant to say Derke LOL

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I already knew this happening.... you simply can't expect a team to be the best just bcoz they have goated players. Especially in valorant, there are many internal factors that goes into a winning team. I made a thread about it too. Vit and mibr are expected to win an international next year just bcuz of their roster on paper but the chances of this actually happening is unknown. That's why you can't say that a certain team will definitely win a international without even seeing them play

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bombarillo

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superteams never work in valorant (maybe for one tournament then they flop)
closest thing we ever got to a super team was 23 FNC.
A lot more factors go into a championship winning roster than just throwing money at 5 superstars and calling it a day.