Yeah that's exactly why I deleted some of my comments because I realized I went too far. My other point still stands, the original take had no merit and was absolutely unjustified. Y'all gotta realize that streamers don't own you anything and flaming them for changing won't help the cause.

I still think the things I've read in this thread proves that many if not most vlr users are chronically online and parasocial about a number of things in the valorant scene. I've tried to understand where they were coming from but I came to the conclusion they just spent too much time on the internet and it shows. I'm not above anyone here for saying this, I could also belong in this group who knows, but unlike these people I don't start criticizing streamers or whoever the fuck for "changing" and losing interest in the game.

You can not sit there and tell me that none of the commenters suggested that "WE" made them famous so they own us "good" and enternaining watchparties. Some of you guys are so entitled for no reason.

I understand I came across as condescending, but do you really think ppl here give a fuck if I write civilized sentences or not? They'll call me ragebaiter for both, just because my opinion is different from the usual vlr poster.

At the end of the day it's just a videogame and it's not like Tarik or Tenz killed someone or did something horrible.
People change, can we stop harassing people for it or we're gonna act like childs.

I'd advise you to do the same.

The latter. I only use this site to look back at some matches and stats. Sometimes I see a post title thats interesting and I read some comments. This one made me especially intrested after I've read the take, but looking back it was a grave mistake. Yall go on living like this making useless arguments, arguing about streamers or whatever the fuck you do all day. Go watch that mooda guy, he seems like a deeply intelligent person.

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I'm not a fan of any of these streamers.
I just don't like how yall think they own you something when in reality they don't. And yes they were talking about owning, saying like "WE" made them is essentially the same as saying they own their success to the VAL community which is just not true.

Don't try to spin this around like I'm some vlr valorant dweller like you beacuse that's also not true and I'm not some butthurt fanboy either who watches them religiously. Like I said before, similar people attract each other and the fact that this terminally online 16bit 1 dimensional take got upvoted just proves what everyone been thinking about vlr anyways; that this community is full of terminally online parasocial entitled basement dwellers.

This community is a big pile of shit and "YOU" guys didn't make anyone famous or rich.

Fanboy take is especially hilarious coming from a guy who has 9k+ posts. Yall spend way too much crying about tarik, tenz or whoever the fuck.

That's what I'm saying. These terminally online dwellers are straight up just spewing bullshit. This thread was a sad read man

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hopefully a miracle happens and he recovers somehow

zekken

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/don%20P%23ppp/overview?platform=pc&playlist=competitive&season=aef237a0-494d-3a14-a1c8-ec8de84e309c
one of his alts

jawg went 1-12 against sen in upper semifinals on attack. Insane entry fragger if I do say so myself

me when jawgemo goes 1-12 in first kills against sen

WEKKEN, 2nd highest ACS at champs 2024, highest ACS throughout americas 2024, farmed everyone at madrid, highest FKPR at most events, 2nd highest ACS at 2025 americas
2nd highest ACS and ADR and FKPR throughout the Valorant Champions Tour 2024. Yeah sure your fav duelist is waaaaay better obviously, cuz zekken is an onliner LOL keep baiting and coping

jawgemo went 1-12 on attack in first bloods. That is fucking diabolical.

I also forgot to link you this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3zIU5J9Qk&t=655s
Hope this helps cuz you mentioned multiple times how zekken isn't performing in franchising lol

I'm very confident that all of the players you would name also have bad performances if not worse consistently. Also I'm pretty sure ppl leaked the sen - envy scrim and sen was up by a LOT. Sure you could argue maybe Zelssis was just killing everyone but zekken slapping them around is way more likely. I'm sure he would also diff any1 on envy in an official. I still think you underestimate T1 teams and their preparations against SEN. You said you've scrimmed them so you must have been tryharding against them cuz thats what most people do. Good players push bad players to be better and it's hard to perform really good every single game. So I'm sure most T1 teams are focusing on how to play against zekken even if they say otherwise. Especially G2, they like to joke around about how bad SEN and zekken is but they also probably the same team that puts in the most effort to neutralize him and SEN. Losers focus on winners, winners focus on winning and zekken often sacrifices for his team and overvalues his life, but that is how their system works so you can't blame him for not going for more and risky kills. Winning masters makes you and your team a target and they can vod review the fuck out of you. Sure they have 2 new players but fundementally they are very similar. Even if you have a player like zekken you need the team to change things up cuz every winner becomes a target. There is a reason fnatic is the only team that won 2 consecutive events. They need to adapt to this situation and it's not easy. A roster change wouldn't solve anything

yeah honestly I should give up arguing with these ppl, after checking their recent messages I'm not sure why I made this post, cuz half the people here are calling for players to get dropped on a daily after 1 bad game and they are not baiting. I mean, average vlr dwellers, idk what I expecetd

That is peak recency bias. The year barely started yet youre making big assumptions about his performance. Also I know about all those things that you've mentioned and that is exactly the reason why I blame their teamplay/system instead of the individual. I've also vod reviewed all of their recent games for the same reason because I couldn't believe zekken went negative and I came to the conclusion that they as a team were making questionable decisions and couldn't set him up properly. I also think you underestimate the gap between T1 and every other level. Zekken could very well be the closest player we've got to Zywoo/S1mple in terms of pure potential in valorant but every T1 teams knows this. Zekken dropping 40s in scrims has been a known fact for ages and they hard anti a lot of their strats. T1 teams actually have the resources and time to anti and prepare against players like zekken. SEN last year looked that good because they had another key factor besides zekken, TenZ, who was doing a lot of dirty work for them that helped zekken out by a lot. T1 has Meteor when Buzz can't entry, EDG has Smoggy, G2 has Jawgemo, but SEN rn looks like all they have is zekken and if he dies they are basically lost. The fact that N4RRATE looks uncomfy on initiator this year doesn't really help zekken so no wonder he can't play to his standards, but that is something they can work on in the future. S1mple was the best player in 2018 but astralis antid the fuck out of Navi and beat them 2-0 while making s1mple look miserable. No one was blaming s1mple for the loss cuz everyone knew he had it in him and he could still be the best player. Also, zekken is the type of player who does well on his own, without an IGL telling him what to do but giving more freedom to your starplayer isn't really thing/option in valorant. G2, VIT and T1 are the only teams that come to mind but they have the teamlay and strats to back it up. I think SEN is lacking that department and they could experiment with giving him more freedom like T1 does with Meteor. Zekkens problem might actually be that he's too disciplined to call for a play that he thinks is right, or high risk - high reward.

what problem are u talking abt cuz he was arguably the best performing duelist in champs. You can't blame bangkok on zekken. Watch back the 5 maps, he wasn't doing anything stupid nor did he look off mechanically.

he looked really good against KRU and also played really well in champs(2nd best ACS after Derke who played less rounds), you guys legit just start calling ppl washed based on 3 recent matches or whatever. No ball knowledge at all. IF you had actually watched their bangkok games you would know that the team as a whole looked off, not zekken as an individual. They didn't look like a T1 and you can't pin that on a single player, especially not on zekken.

zekken is not washed and if he is performing below his standards it's a team issue. He's the most hard working player on that SEN team by far.

Reduxx is looking hot mid in T2 but whats even more interesting is that ppl been calling zekken a system duelist for some reason and that Reduxx on duelist could do a better job with zekken on senti but that is diabolical considering how bad Reduxx looks in ranked. Even if he's barely trying, which I doubt he is getting slapped around and it shows that he lacks the firepower to replace s1 like zekken.

Not even gonna bring up Reduxx's T2 stats cuz they are pointless considering the last time zekken played against these T2 players he was averaging 300 ACS on fucking senti. T2 is a whole diff ballpark and I guarantee you zekken would be farming every team in challengers with bums on his team. No offense to him but, Reduxx is not that guy and stop comparing him to masters winning players
https://www.vlr.gg/459080/winthrop-university-vs-cubert-academy-challengers-league-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1-playoffs
the fact that SEN is struggling just shows how good and important TenZ and Sacy were for the team. TenZ especially was a key factor on attack, helping zekken wih entrying. Anyways, the individuals are good, SEN's problems run deeper than that and a roster move would just worsen the situation imo

These Reduxx glazers are geuinely something else man. Zekken is 10 times better. Any T2 player would tell you that zekken is cooking them on a daily in scrims. Reduxx couldn't perform in T1 like zekken/n4rrate/zellsis/johnqt/bang does. He is not that guy.

also what rage bait? Anyone who thinks Reduxx is even close to zekken is baiting. He's objectively worse. A week ago this conversation came up in Sliggy's chat and he was on the same page as me. Once again, the last time zekken played against those T2 players he was averaging 300+ ACS ON FUCKING SENTINEL. He was goofing around on cypher, kj and chamber just killing everyone. And Reduxx can't even do that on duelist. What are we even talking about? Please man, just use your brain for a minute. Reduxx is not that guy.

He's washed now so doesn't really matter. On the other hand zekken is still cooking in T1 unlike Reduxx whos getting his ass kicked in T2 and in fucking ranked by no name randoms.

Every single player on the SEN roster rn is better than Reduxx. Even Zellsis mainly because he can actually flex and is a solid senti.

To the ppl saying Reduxx should be duelist and Zach initiator or double duelist comps... YOU GUYS ARE LEGIT CLUELESS, probably only started watching pro play a year ago, on crack, fully drugged out, faded. Zekken is a better player on every role than Reduxx will ever be. They are not even in the same ballpark. Reduxx is legit getting destroyed in T2 (even in ranked by no name bums), how is he gonna replace zekken? I'd bet Elon's net worth that if we swapped out them right now and gave the team maybe like a month or two to scrim and prep SEN would go out without winning a single game. Reduxx is not that guy. You guys are legit blind and brainwashed. The last time zekken was playing against those T2 bums Reduxx keeps losing to he was dropping 30kills/map on FUCKING SENTI. Let that sink in. He mogs Reduxx in every aspect. Perc30FishFillet > Reduxx all day. Also to the ppl saying Reduxx has crazy potential, HE IS GETTING SMOKED ON A DAILY BY BUMASS RANKED PLAYERS HOW IS HE GONNA PERFORM IN PRO PLAY. LOOK AT HIS FUCKING TRACKER. HE'S LEGIT CLOSER TO FNS THAN TO ZEKKEN. I'm not even gonna bring up his pro play stats cuz those are even more embarrassing and aren't even comparable to zekken's who put down prime geng while hard entrying. Get off the fucking drugs

Effluxi I'm sorry but you gotta be smoking crack if you seriously think flor is better than zekken. She isn't even in the same ballpark.

Yuh_aye, you are legit clueless, but keep on spewing random bullshit, cuz it's hella entertaining.

ex cs player, still learning w friends
https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Alluka%23kev/overview

20k comments, buddy im sorry to break it to you but you are living in your moms basement jobless

You have too much faith in Chet.

That is coping at its finest. How can Chet not be the issue when Demon1 was playing a role he was clearly not comfortable on. He has never played solo entry before NRG, not on EG, not on any team. That is the definition of a Coach and coaching team not doing their job properly. It's their job to find why something is wrong. Also most likely Demon1 wasn't the one deciding on the solo entry system.

The whole PRX together were playing insane. Picking just one person would be hard, but Jinggg and something were cooking for sure

probably playing with sen society members for content or money