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Ryandr

Why do most t1 league fans act like t1 winning worlds is a shocking or very surprising? Like the competition at top level for a top team like t1 is literally ass in league esports. And t1 has a core of 4 players that have been together for almost 5 years now. And every player in that team is at least top 5 for their role. Keria and oner at form being #1 even. Only competition in this worlds is geng/hle and Al for them and hle already got eliminated by geng in a single elimination format. T1 is winning worlds if they beat Al tomorrow which I think is 60/40 for t1.

Anyway t1 fans always love to present t1 as underdog for any game and then act surprised or start trolling other when t1 wins. And they always bring up seeding of regionals even though they know cause of meta changes between events those seedings are irrelevant. I do support t1 as well but can't understand t1 fans mentality. They are also the most annoying fanbase in all of esports.

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True. Also T1 league fans are like sen fans but 10x more toxic and annoying. There is a Chinese saying in webnovels I have read called "playing the pig, eating the tiger". That perfectly describes t1 fans. Tbh most t1 fans also are just worlds viewers and bandwagoners who know nothing about league at all and just follow a narrative of t1 being weak but winning it all at the end.

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I wanna see their tears when they got wrecked by AL

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should have happened with theshy

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Invictus Gaming deserves another chance at worlds, smfh format

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TheShy is my favorite boy

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Let’s not act like IG had more than a 20% chance of winning that series lol

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would have been funny tho

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Riots worst nightmare tbh

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Ngl I think t1 is favored against Al. The core has been together for 4+ years now and their synergy and coordination is insane. Especially if oner is back in form I think it's gg for Al.

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some of them does feels like the KPOP PRX fans type. a lot more than PRX even.
but yeah, most of them are just bandwagons.

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cuz they do fucking ass at summers and barely scrap through while geng rides the rocket through. but still that core is even without faker is insane. Also t1 fans are literally 80% of the lol esports fan base and barely watch the damn game

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It's funny cause regional seeding don't really mean much if you make worlds especially for a top team like t1 since the meta changes are so big after each event. It's like Tejo meta changes before every international event. And t1 didn't even do that bad this summer. They only became 4th seed cause of that stupid format and geng trolling against kt.

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yeah and clearly T1 could've been 3rd

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core is insane without faker but in 2023 after faker's wrist injury they were on lose streak they are insane but faker give them diraction or aura confidance boost

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He is their shot caller and bro they replaced him with poby lol. Any top team with sudden change in a mid laner especially with replacement like poby who has like 0 experience will struggle in lck. It's not as if they struggled against some mid level na teams.

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it was not some random dude he was there acadmy player and was doing good and they were losing to some mid tier team which t1 never lose to drx and bro type team

and his laning faze was good but other 4 look lost also

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As I said t1 lost their shot caller who got replaced by an academy player who had 0 experience before that in middle of the event. Even one change in the team during the event will effect the team a lot be it in league or any other esports. And poby is mid player tbh.

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wasn't karia their short caller if i am not wrong he is very vocal

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Faker is their main shot caller. Other help him with it tho. I mean the synergy between them is just too insane. It's their biggest strength basically.

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will they fall a part that much that they will start losing to bro and drx it is also coaching staff responsbility to help with that

core is insane but look how it look different when they fall a part like zeus this year looked nothing like his last 3 year not even close like for example guma if he goes to other he maybe do good or maybe bad case of his champ poll not doing good on kaisa zeri ezreal

core is good without faker but faker make them more good even with his aura confidance

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Did you even watch hle games this year? Zeus looked like the clear best top this year till stage 1. He hasn't been the problem at all in hle. He is still top 3 top for this year. He was great this worlds as well. They just faced geng in quarters.

Also imagine if fnc loses boaster when stage 2 is going on and he is replaced by some t2 players who has no prior igling experience, what do you think happens to fnc? A team is looking lost always especially in a league like lck if they lose their shotcaller in middle of the event and get some t2 players with no prior t1 experience.

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Valo and LOL are very different and zeus looked good in lck cup but he looked nothing close to his best some games maybe he looked ok but if you know how he play his whole play stayle got passive he was so much aggresive in T1 and i know his role changed here but didn't see glims of past after lck cup and first stand

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they got 2nd place in MSI this year, which is a crazy accomplishment

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Yeah and the games were super close and went to 5 games. Yet t1 fans act like t1 winning worlds is like a western team winning worlds. The competition is just not great at top level for teams like t1 for their fans to act like that.

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Never seen anyone more annoying than t1 fans in all of esports. I am a val t1 fan and started watching league this year but man couldn't support the team cause of the fanbase. Too annoying and they are also the biggest haters of the players when the players underperform.

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T1 has the biggest esports fanbase so you'll obviously meet questionable fans or bandwagons

Compare them to Real Madrid in sports for example

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Yeah I am aware of that but I don't understand where the mentality of always trying to showcase t1 as the underdog or mid team came from. They act like t1 is some na team and act surprised when they win worlds. It shouldn't be surprising at all since league top level competition isn't really good and t1 is a very strong team that is like the best when in form. Like bro they have oner and Keria who are the best in their role when they are in form. Guma, faker and doran are also easily top 3 usually.

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T1 was the underdog during 2023 and kinda during 2024 tho

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2023 I kinda agree cause jdg and geng were better. But even then the worlds meta changed greatly and was so good for t1 tbh.
And last year they can't be considered a underdog just cause they struggled in summer season cause of that ad mid meta which changed completely in worlds. A top team with peaks like t1 will always be one of the favorites for an international event if the meta supports them.

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T1 has realistically been an underdog for the past two years

the fact this core made it to three back to back to back worlds finals is beyond impressive, and it’s crazier to think that the only time they were ever the clear favorites to win they didn’t win

i think they beat AL and make grand finals but lose a banger silver scrapes series to GEN. chovy is far FAR too talented to not have at least one worlds title to his name, it’s been long enough.

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Nah league top level competition isn't that great for team like t1 to be considered the underdog. Especially last year they were clearly not the underdog. They only struggled in regionsla cause of the meta. The meta in worlds changed drastically to suit t1 more. And even in 2023 only jdg and geng were considered better for worlds. T1 core has been together for 4+ years now with players like oner and Keria who are best at their roles normally. That team can't be considered a underdog when the meta favors them.

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Sure but for two years in a row T1 have entered worlds as the 4th seed, which even for LCK is underdog status

you can’t be considered a favorite if you’re one bo3 away from getting eliminated in regionals and then forced to go into play-ins just for a spot

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But it's worlds and pressure handling ability is everything in this event and cause of the meta changes which favor t1 I don't see how they can be considered a underdog. I mean if the meta remained the same as in regionals for sure they can be considered a underdog but it isn't so in worlds.

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this year they're 4th seed, last year they were 4th seed, they just wake up at worlds idk

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Ryandr

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In league regional seeding don't mean shit for lck/lpl teams cause of the meta shifts that happen before every event. And t1 is 4th seed of lck not lec or lta. The gap between lck and other is too big. And this time t1 is 4th seed only cause of the stupid format and geng trolling against kt.

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it definitely does mean shit

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It doesn't lol. Blg was lpl 1st seed. What happened? For weaker regions like lec or lta or lcp it means a lot but doesn't man shit for lck and even lpl. Especially the meta changes are drastic enough that seeding doesn't determine which team is stronger for worlds if the team is from lck/lpl.

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blg's flop is the most disappointing worlds performance ever for a reason

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Nah it's not lol. Tes getting eliminated by gam in 2022 is easily 10x worse.

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how is BLG runner ups of last years worlds going 2-3 vs three western teams 10x better i feel like we're just saying shit. TES weren't even 1st seed.

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Yeah cause of mickey mouse bo1 swiss format. Only reason why t1 also went 3-2. And blg got eliminated by tes another lpl team while tes in 2022 got eliminated by gam a team of minor region. That's 10x more embarrassing. Still the loss against 100t was embarrassing but tes losing bo3 to gam was worse.

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XD

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Also ngl that guy is right. Seeding don't mean shit especially for top teams like t1. Outside of 3 or 4 teams all from lck and lpl the competition is ass in league. Especially when the meta is good for teams with high peaks like t1, they will always be one of the favorites. And generally only 3 or 4 teams are favorites for an event in league.

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summer placements dictate expectations, if you're a fan of a 4th place lck team you're gonna be more worried with their results compared to if they placed 1st, T1 fans are currently in this position, go tell them that none of it matters yourself.

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Lol as I said most t1 fans are just casuald who don't know anything about league. When the meta changes are so big from regionals and when a team has high peaks like t1, seeding just don't matter. Been saying it Winning worlds for a top team like t1 is easier than winning champs for a top val team like fnc. The competition is just that ass at top level in league. T1 fans just worry too much. No faith in their team. Also you sound like a t1 fan so in a sense I am indeed telling it to t1 fans.

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im here to tell you and the other guy why T1 fans feel worried and stressed and you're typing up bullshit about why you're right and im wrong without even understanding what im saying lmfao, chalk it up to them having no faith if you want bro you sound retarded

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You are the one who sound retarded lol. The argument here was always about why seeding don't mean shit in worlds for lck/lpl teams and now here you try telling me that you have all this time been just talking from the t1 fans perspective and why they are worried. Should have stated it in the first comment instead of arguing why seeding means shit like it's facts instead of changing direction now. Expected more from some one called king bob ngl.

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Nah KT fucked over the seeding
over all T1 looked 2nd best
with AL match, AL is favored in that matchup

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this year will be shocking if they win with d0r0n

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lmao if faker wins worlds with doran then there is 0 possibility of anyone taking the goat title away from him

chovy could win 10 worlds in a row and faker would still be above him because he did it with the most serial inter in worlds history

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give chovy superteam o dor

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Give chovy t1 players he wins worlds too tbh.

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Kinda bold considering he hasn’t won a single one yet lol. If he doesn’t win this one he never will

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No way you are calling doran an inter this year. He hasn't been the problem at all for t1 if you have actually watched their games. Don't be like those t1 fans who scapegoat doran always.

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I am absolutely calling doran an inter, i have been calling him an inter since he was on gen.g and i will continue doing so because it always happens

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He hasn't been an inter for t1 tbh in international and so far in worlds at least. I mean t1 isn't winning shit if doran is back to inting.

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not even t1 fan just someone who knows intl doran

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He hasn't been the same this year is what I am implying. Can't call him the inter now for this year so far at least.

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in worlds he is doing same but not to extream level and in LCK he has always been good won with GenG HLE in lck he is top 3 top in lck

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Yes i can are we serious? The reason they lost to cfo (8th place team btw who lost in dominant thrashings to KT) was because he walked up for a singular ranged creep and gave a draven a 500 gold injection and threw the entire game from there. He has not hit a single meaningful ambessa ult in a teamfight, and is constantly fucking up how to play 5v5s. He is the weak link no matter how you slice it.

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Nah you can't scapegoat him for all the loss. Also they only lost a bo1. The swiss format is just ass. Main reason t1 isn't looking that strong is cause oner and Keria their best players aren't in form. They seem to be back tho.

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i think the biggest factor being they dont play seriously in lck so they ended up as 4th seed from LCK and that makes it like theyre not expected to win worlds?

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bro do you know how fans are in korea if you think they are not serious

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They do take it seriously tbh. Regionals are always in different patch and meta and lck is a very competitive region internally so t1 tend to struggle sometimes. Regionals and international events are like events pre buff and post buff Tejo meta cause of the changes.

This time tho they became 4th seed only cause of the stupid format and geng trolling against kt.

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It’s just similar to kpop fans I have heard some crazy stuff about t1 lol fans as well this year it is kinda different seeing a lot of hate in vlr regards to T1 lol

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all the freaky kpop stuff is on twitter mostly, you don’t see the crazy kpop fnatic val fans on vlr either

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Yeah Twitter is nuts at least FNC fans watch their games in vlr don’t blindly speak

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Because GenG and AL exist

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Theyre always underdogs and they always make it somehow
I wouldnt be surprised but u cannot tell me they are favourites against al or geng

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I mean if t1 is a underdog team than 99% of all other league teams are underdogs ig. T1 is only underdog against geng. They beat Al in a bo5 in msi too. And if oner is in form Al ain't winning shit.

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only underdog if player are not in form

but if player are in form are they still underdog in your eye

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Sure if theyre in form they are the best in the world, but this year they were only ever in form at msi

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at start of stage 2 they looked good also competitive against GenG in group also

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They were great in regionals too this year except for the first stand qualifiers.

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True but imo they were only in worlds winning form at msi tbh

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Yeah but t1 doesn't need to be in worlds winning form to beat 98% of the teams in league. Only competition for them currently are hle, geng and Al. If oner and Keria are in form then they will beat hle and Al too. So actual competition is only geng. As I have always said the top level competition in league is ass.

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I mean your flair went on the greatest run in esports history

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Well that's how big the gap between top level teams and mid level teams is in league. Like an actual 4th seed from the best region winning worlds is considered the greatest run in league esports history. This says a lot about how the overall competition is in league. Well tbh seeding don't mean much for lck and lpl teams since meta changes drastically for worlds generally.