no hate to Ethan but he's not the goat

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lyssss

bro won 2 champs being the worst player on the team c'mon now

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Flair aware

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i don't think you watched either of the grand finals he won if you really think that

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I mean first one great support but Demon1 and Jaw were fragging out of their minds. Compared to the other three. This one was way more justified he did so much better here

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honestly fair

i don't even think it's THAT crazy to say he was the "worst" player on either teams during the runs

but worst is doing a lot of heavy lifting with its context-devoid definition here

sure he was statistically the worst on the team (both times?), but "worst" in my mind means they played exceptionally poorly and/or got carried to the win, and isn't as applicable for eg/nrg where every player carried their own weight and had a clear, defined role

but i suppose op isn't technically wrong

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It's heavily over exaggerated by OP. But the first one wasn't entirely him. This second one he was calling so not fragging until map 5 in a tense bo5 against Fnatic is just straight aura. Plus they are a DRX fan they think winning can happen with Termi, glow argency and Free1ng on the team

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I think the correct characterization is that ethan is ONE OF the best players oat but certainly not THE best player of all time.

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i agree

if the post was left at the title i wouldn't have even responded

but then op went on to say some dumb shit in the actual post

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Not even bro. He was literally leading the league in assists. How is that the worst on the team

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he's not i just said that so op wouldn't respond to me

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Ethan was top 3 on EG

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That's a short list considering Jaw and Demon1 are the top 2

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I mean true but he definitely wasn't the worst. He was like the flash initiator version of leo. His util was so impactful, ppl forget about that.

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"was" and still is
ethan has had top tier util all tournament

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Top 2

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He isn’t, but you shouldnt watch the game with eyes closed

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You are a Z tier baiter

And that's coming from Themaniel of all people

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lyssss

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literally what is bait about this, ethan is not the greatest player of all time, it's such a warm take

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Wingull

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it's not a hot take to say Ethan isn't the goat just because he won 2 champs

it is stupid as fuck to claim he was the worst on both teams

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He literally singlehandedly delivered NRG the trophy on a platter in the last match
He IGLd a complete rookie roster to winning champs and with how i see it i don't think s0m helps with calling

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s0m definitely helps and he's hold a zellsis-esque role on the team except he can actually shoot back. Other than Ethan, s0m is a veteran to both the scene and tier1 compared to mada and skuba

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0.98 ratings. If the team consistes of 5 ethans they would have been grouped

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ur one to talk with a fnatic flair lmfao. no hate to them but if it was 5 boasters on a team, they wouldnt win either. 5 aspas's wouldnt win either.

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no hate to boaster but he's not the goat

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Arun777

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so now we just talking cap huh, clearly bro is hatewatching lmaoo

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shaq_attaqr

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i agree with you but that's also the argument for why chronicle isn't the goat

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HE LITERALLY WON THEM THE CHAMPIONS WHEN YOUR GOAT CHRONICLE LITERALLY COULDNT BRING IT BACK

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0.98 champs rating

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he's the igl man

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not worst player on either team but yea not the goat for sure

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Igled 3 rookies to a championship, 2 trophy's and an amazing player. Enough said top 3 oat

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he won 2 champs, period.

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he's at least the support goat

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and in between the trophies he was dogshit individually

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no he wasn't, 1.01 in americas split 1 and 1.08 in split 2 is good for his role, he was also igling in split 1. He was dogshit at calling in 2024, that's a valid criticism but individually he was fine

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so he has the same ratings and a worse kd than zellsis but he's fine and zellsis is the worst player americas

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I never said zellsis is the worst player in americas, deflecting by putting words in my mouth because I called out you making shit up is a bitch move. Those stats are objectively fine, certainly not 'dogshit', even putting aside stuff like role and team situation

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i'm not deflecting just pointing out that stats don't mean much when you actually watch ethan, he was shit

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again, he was shit as an igl, he was not shit individually. In split 2 he was like the only one trying, for example this game https://www.vlr.gg/353186/nrg-esports-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2-w2/?game=all&tab=overview where was solo winning them rounds oping as sage on bind and they lost, that team was awful. Plenty of all time great players have been in awful situations and looked like nothing special, you should know that with your flair

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aspas and chron are the only goats

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Jezy

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bro say this with a different flair DRX is cool and all just bro use your head

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cant even remember 1 play of this guy