Less is a top 6 player OAT

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He is only behind Aspas, Chronicle, Derke, Leo and Alfa.

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and nats

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no and dont even come at me with "he invented lurking" because lurking is a thing since CS, Nats was only the first one to learn how to abuse it in Valorant, which is still very impressive but its nowhere near as impressive as what Less has done

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Nats clears less

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thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less

when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts

aspas
Derke
Chronicle
Leo
Sacy
nAts
yay
Less
Alfajer
TenZ
MaKo
Boaster
Zmjjkk
Meteor
Jawgemo
cNed
Demon1
BuZz
Keznit
Shao

the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less, Keznit
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed, Shao
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz
CN: Zmjjkk

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It's going to sound like bait but unironically boaster is minimum top 15 all time idc if his stats are bad being the captain of a team that has been top 2 in emea at the minimum throughout most of valorant has to account for something

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Ik but vlr wont agree with me lol and will completely ignore factual ranking (I agree with u)

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I wanted to say Boaster as well for the same reason, W for someone finally saying it

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Galactc

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Like honestly we factor kills far too much in general like over 50% of them have 0 impact boaster is a top 15 oat and I'm willing to say top 10

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as player and igl for sure yeah

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irishsamingg

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texture should be on this list instead of mako mako 0 trophy regional merchant

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Fr, still dont know why they glaze m0ko instead of t3xture or karon

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marxlboro

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bro snuck nats and forgot about meteor in the top 10 oat

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sentinelmain377

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Meteor is just an aimer. that is all. The way he plays isnt even smart (if u remember earlier this year), it is just he has pretty good aim.

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i agree that he rely on his aim but he won 2 masters with 2 different rosters

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so?? Boaster has attended 3 finals, 2 masters trophies, multiple different teams within FNATIC, 11 international events

and by ur logic, Chronicle is #1 of all time (3 trophies, 2 different rosters, almost all roles in the game have been played (Initiator = 2021, Flex+DuelistChamber = 2022, Flex(Sentinel, Controller, Initiator) = 2023-2025)

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t1 didnt had a perspective of winning a tier1 before him

hes a game changer

due to his accomplishments hes above nats and theres nothing that will change it (unless nats win another trophy)

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you didn't watch geng at all last year if you think meteor doesn't play smartly

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Less is the best Viper OAT and the youngest player to ever win Champs which will never change because he won it at 17 (was already a master finalist at 16)

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ah yes. Youngest player to win a trophy = best sentinel

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Veri

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?? yes?? Thats the reason why Yamal for example is extremely impressive. News flash: Being very good at a young age is more impressive than being very good older

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no? it just means you have more potential, it doesn't contribute anything to the weight of your achievements

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obviously it does add weight to the achievements, or are you saying that winning champs at 17 is easier than at 26? Please guys its not that hard to understand, using the Yamal example again, if he wins the ballondor this year it will obviously be more impressive than if Raphina won because he is like 10 years younger

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if both yamal and raphina won the ballondor in two separate years with a similar performance then both of them fell off and did nothing of note after, are you gonna be saying yamal was a better or more accomplished player than raphina?

continue thread →

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thats... actually a pretty fair list tb. although i do think less should be above yay and nats for being more consistent

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irishsamingg

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his list is dogshit wtf is keznit doing here in the top 15 and not players like demon1 and f0rsaken

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i would take keznit of the list but hes absolutely above demon1. dont get me wrong demon1 peak was absolute madness but he got like two to three good months and was never really relevant again

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irishsamingg

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no demon1 is crazy and keznit is here lol

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sentinelmain377

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demon1 fluked in 2 events and then disappeared lmfao

most overrated player in Valorant history (even before tenz)

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irishsamingg

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and what has keznit done btw

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has been consistently top 3 duelist of whole americas for 4 years

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crazy snuck in keznit and jawgemo

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exactly

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jawgemo maybe understandable but keznit really bro this has to be a bait list

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Yay should be behind alfajer and less. also Less is goat of sentinel but Alfa is better player. His agent pool is def larger. it should be Alfajer > Less > Yay

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personally TenZ should be above yay cuz he has more trophies than him and he is the biggest brand in you can disagree with me on that but no way keznit is on that list like no way he is over zekken , pancada , saadhak , crashies heck I'll even put c0m or Ardiis over him in an all time list even if u were to put latam player I would place kiNgg over him .

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i dont think tenz is anywhere near the top 10, he is popular but in the history of valorant many other players have surpassed him

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best list ive ever seen, except that Sacy is too high, in my opinion. yes, he has many trophies, but as a player that doesnt give you a free pass into the top 5. he shouldnt be above the likes of nats and less

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get shao off add t3xture and forsaken(greatest player to hav not won a major and thts a fact)

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nats is still better

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nobody cares about cs lil bro nAts invented lurking

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nAts clears less, it's just that he had teams of disabled bots after Gambit/M3C, the moment he got better players with him he started shining again. Less can't perform in a "superteam", nAts is carrying current lulquid, there are levels to this game.

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nAts, Sacy, yay, kk?

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Sacy and kk sneak ew

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Sacy > Less

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Veri

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nAts: #3
Sacy: Look man i love sacy more than anyone but even thou he is more accomplished sometimes you have to just watch the games with your eyes instead of counting trophies. Sacy is not even half the player that Less is
yay: Insane peak, nothing more after that. Cant be better than Less "all time"
KK: Champs MVP is the only thing going for him, not better than Less all time as well

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#3 is just a dumb take
Sacy won another trophy while Less bombed out of Stage 1 with a literal superteam
Yeah probably true - Less > Zmjjkk all time

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Veri

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#3 is objectively true
Again, use your eyes and watch the games instead of relying on team results all the time, Less is 3x the player that Sacy is

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Even looking at finals Sacy cleared Less, 1 more kill but the amount of impact is insane

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Less uses all the viper and cypher setups from nats. He only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay like Nats when its come to utility. Ur #3 is just dumb

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why is #3 a dumb take then? you people keep saying that without providing counter arguments. Lurking was in fact already an existing concept and all that Nats did was in fact be the first one to abuse it in Valorant, i never lied at any point. Also you call my takes dumb yet you type "Less only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay" lmao bro if im dumb then you are a fucking potato

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indeed i am a potato fan cuz this potato explains why nAts was the first ever one to bring unique gameplay in viper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15so-G3N9Bk

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less is a world Champion

nats won a trophy when teams run 3 duelists + sage

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he is above Alfa, Less is the GOAT Sentinel

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Less is goat sentinel, alfa is better player. his agent pool is larger

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Ngl shouldn't have joined vitality it isn't going to help his case

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Less was a perfect viper player, anytime someone mentioned good viper players he has to be there

However... i couldnt think a better player for overall "sneaky rat lurker" playstyle rather than nats

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leo xd

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4 of the top 5 players on one team with the 5th being a good igl.. how havent they won everything then?

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because a good 5 does not equal a good team and never will

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less is the goat but hes also a dumbass cause he needs to play less agressive + vitality was a bad team choice (although i dont judge him it didnt seem bad before)

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no trexx no win

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trexx never won anything bro

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Yeah forsaken didnt win anything which means he is a bad player. Gotcha

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foythvlr

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what lmfao are you illiterate

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brazillians talking about literacy PepeLaugh

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you literally have invented something in ur head dumb inbred
i stated that trexx didn't win anything (which is true) because the guy said no trexx no win
your fast food oiled brain somehow interpreted that i said hes bad

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mb dawg didnt know ur dumbass presumed that win= winning trophies and not winning officials

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still irrelevant because i didnt say he was bad at all lol

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top 10 oat

aspas
chronicle
derke
leo
sacy
tenz
meteor
nats
less
alfa

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no hes top 5

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someone said n0ts top 10 so this thread is automatically ragebait

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braindead

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aspas
chronicle
leo
derke
less
kk
sacy
jawgemo

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People be forgetting his performance vs fnatic at lock in