He is only behind Aspas, Chronicle, Derke, Leo and Alfa.
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NRGSUPERFAN [#2]and nats
no and dont even come at me with "he invented lurking" because lurking is a thing since CS, Nats was only the first one to learn how to abuse it in Valorant, which is still very impressive but its nowhere near as impressive as what Less has done
Veri [#3]no and dont even come at me with "he invented lurking" because lurking is a thing since CS, Nats was only the first one to learn how to abuse it in Valorant, which is still very impressive but its nowhere near as impressive as what Less has done
nats is still better
Veri [#3]no and dont even come at me with "he invented lurking" because lurking is a thing since CS, Nats was only the first one to learn how to abuse it in Valorant, which is still very impressive but its nowhere near as impressive as what Less has done
nobody cares about cs lil bro nAts invented lurking
Amexdxyz [#4]Nats clears less
thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
229fn [#5]nAts, Sacy, yay, kk?
nAts: #3
Sacy: Look man i love sacy more than anyone but even thou he is more accomplished sometimes you have to just watch the games with your eyes instead of counting trophies. Sacy is not even half the player that Less is
yay: Insane peak, nothing more after that. Cant be better than Less "all time"
KK: Champs MVP is the only thing going for him, not better than Less all time as well
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
It's going to sound like bait but unironically boaster is minimum top 15 all time idc if his stats are bad being the captain of a team that has been top 2 in emea at the minimum throughout most of valorant has to account for something
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
texture should be on this list instead of mako mako 0 trophy regional merchant
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
bro snuck nats and forgot about meteor in the top 10 oat
Galactc [#15]It's going to sound like bait but unironically boaster is minimum top 15 all time idc if his stats are bad being the captain of a team that has been top 2 in emea at the minimum throughout most of valorant has to account for something
Ik but vlr wont agree with me lol and will completely ignore factual ranking (I agree with u)
marxlboro [#17]bro snuck nats and forgot about meteor in the top 10 oat
Meteor is just an aimer. that is all. The way he plays isnt even smart (if u remember earlier this year), it is just he has pretty good aim.
Veri [#14]nAts: #3
Sacy: Look man i love sacy more than anyone but even thou he is more accomplished sometimes you have to just watch the games with your eyes instead of counting trophies. Sacy is not even half the player that Less is
yay: Insane peak, nothing more after that. Cant be better than Less "all time"
KK: Champs MVP is the only thing going for him, not better than Less all time as well
- #3 is just a dumb take
- Sacy won another trophy while Less bombed out of Stage 1 with a literal superteam
- Yeah probably true - Less > Zmjjkk all time
Galactc [#15]It's going to sound like bait but unironically boaster is minimum top 15 all time idc if his stats are bad being the captain of a team that has been top 2 in emea at the minimum throughout most of valorant has to account for something
I wanted to say Boaster as well for the same reason, W for someone finally saying it
sentinelmain377 [#19]Meteor is just an aimer. that is all. The way he plays isnt even smart (if u remember earlier this year), it is just he has pretty good aim.
i agree that he rely on his aim but he won 2 masters with 2 different rosters
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
Less is the best Viper OAT and the youngest player to ever win Champs which will never change because he won it at 17 (was already a master finalist at 16)
marxlboro [#26]i agree that he rely on his aim but he won 2 masters with 2 different rosters
so?? Boaster has attended 3 finals, 2 masters trophies, multiple different teams within FNATIC, 11 international events
and by ur logic, Chronicle is #1 of all time (3 trophies, 2 different rosters, almost all roles in the game have been played (Initiator = 2021, Flex+DuelistChamber = 2022, Flex(Sentinel, Controller, Initiator) = 2023-2025)
Veri [#27]Less is the best Viper OAT and the youngest player to ever win Champs which will never change because he won it at 17 (was already a master finalist at 16)
ah yes. Youngest player to win a trophy = best sentinel
229fn [#24]I wanted to say Boaster as well for the same reason, W for someone finally saying it
Like honestly we factor kills far too much in general like over 50% of them have 0 impact boaster is a top 15 oat and I'm willing to say top 10
229fn [#20]
- #3 is just a dumb take
- Sacy won another trophy while Less bombed out of Stage 1 with a literal superteam
- Yeah probably true - Less > Zmjjkk all time
#3 is objectively true
Again, use your eyes and watch the games instead of relying on team results all the time, Less is 3x the player that Sacy is
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
thats... actually a pretty fair list tb. although i do think less should be above yay and nats for being more consistent
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
no demon1 is crazy and keznit is here lol
sentinelmain377 [#28]so?? Boaster has attended 3 finals, 2 masters trophies, multiple different teams within FNATIC, 11 international events
and by ur logic, Chronicle is #1 of all time (3 trophies, 2 different rosters, almost all roles in the game have been played (Initiator = 2021, Flex+DuelistChamber = 2022, Flex(Sentinel, Controller, Initiator) = 2023-2025)
t1 didnt had a perspective of winning a tier1 before him
hes a game changer
due to his accomplishments hes above nats and theres nothing that will change it (unless nats win another trophy)
foythvlr [#32]thats... actually a pretty fair list tb. although i do think less should be above yay and nats for being more consistent
his list is dogshit wtf is keznit doing here in the top 15 and not players like demon1 and f0rsaken
sentinelmain377 [#29]ah yes. Youngest player to win a trophy = best sentinel
?? yes?? Thats the reason why Yamal for example is extremely impressive. News flash: Being very good at a young age is more impressive than being very good older
Veri [#31]#3 is objectively true
Again, use your eyes and watch the games instead of relying on team results all the time, Less is 3x the player that Sacy is
Even looking at finals Sacy cleared Less, 1 more kill but the amount of impact is insane
irishsamingg [#35]his list is dogshit wtf is keznit doing here in the top 15 and not players like demon1 and f0rsaken
i would take keznit of the list but hes absolutely above demon1. dont get me wrong demon1 peak was absolute madness but he got like two to three good months and was never really relevant again
Vegaaa [#23]4 of the top 5 players on one team with the 5th being a good igl.. how havent they won everything then?
because a good 5 does not equal a good team and never will
foythvlr [#25]less is the goat but hes also a dumbass cause he needs to play less agressive + vitality was a bad team choice (although i dont judge him it didnt seem bad before)
no trexx no win
sentinelmain377 [#19]Meteor is just an aimer. that is all. The way he plays isnt even smart (if u remember earlier this year), it is just he has pretty good aim.
you didn't watch geng at all last year if you think meteor doesn't play smartly
Veri [#36]?? yes?? Thats the reason why Yamal for example is extremely impressive. News flash: Being very good at a young age is more impressive than being very good older
no? it just means you have more potential, it doesn't contribute anything to the weight of your achievements
Galactc [#15]It's going to sound like bait but unironically boaster is minimum top 15 all time idc if his stats are bad being the captain of a team that has been top 2 in emea at the minimum throughout most of valorant has to account for something
as player and igl for sure yeah
uwukitten [#42]no? it just means you have more potential, it doesn't contribute anything to the weight of your achievements
obviously it does add weight to the achievements, or are you saying that winning champs at 17 is easier than at 26? Please guys its not that hard to understand, using the Yamal example again, if he wins the ballondor this year it will obviously be more impressive than if Raphina won because he is like 10 years younger
irishsamingg [#33]no demon1 is crazy and keznit is here lol
demon1 fluked in 2 events and then disappeared lmfao
most overrated player in Valorant history (even before tenz)
Veri [#45]obviously it does add weight to the achievements, or are you saying that winning champs at 17 is easier than at 26? Please guys its not that hard to understand, using the Yamal example again, if he wins the ballondor this year it will obviously be more impressive than if Raphina won because he is like 10 years younger
if both yamal and raphina won the ballondor in two separate years with a similar performance then both of them fell off and did nothing of note after, are you gonna be saying yamal was a better or more accomplished player than raphina?
sentinelmain377 [#46]demon1 fluked in 2 events and then disappeared lmfao
most overrated player in Valorant history (even before tenz)
and what has keznit done btw
uwukitten [#49]if both yamal and raphina won the ballondor in two separate years with a similar performance then both of them fell off and did nothing of note after, are you gonna be saying yamal was a better or more accomplished player than raphina?
by "similar performance" im going to assume you only mean Goals/Assists, so:
Yamal better? Definitely, not even close
more accomplished? No
But thats the point, greatness also takes into consideration your quality as a player. So, by doing impressive shit younger you stablish that you are more talented and naturally better at it than most people, and more gifted players increase in greatness because they are rarer, its all there is to it.
Veri [#52]by "similar performance" im going to assume you only mean Goals/Assists, so:
Yamal better? Definitely, not even close
more accomplished? NoBut thats the point, greatness also takes into consideration your quality as a player. So, by doing impressive shit younger you stablish that you are more talented and naturally better at it than most people, and more gifted players increase in greatness because they are rarer, its all there is to it.
I get your point and I do think winning at a younger age is more "impressive" but I don't think it counts for more when you're comparing the players
irishsamingg [#16]texture should be on this list instead of mako mako 0 trophy regional merchant
Fr, still dont know why they glaze m0ko instead of t3xture or karon
irishsamingg [#51]and what has keznit done btw
has been consistently top 3 duelist of whole americas for 4 years
Veri [#14]nAts: #3
Sacy: Look man i love sacy more than anyone but even thou he is more accomplished sometimes you have to just watch the games with your eyes instead of counting trophies. Sacy is not even half the player that Less is
yay: Insane peak, nothing more after that. Cant be better than Less "all time"
KK: Champs MVP is the only thing going for him, not better than Less all time as well
Less uses all the viper and cypher setups from nats. He only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay like Nats when its come to utility. Ur #3 is just dumb
foythvlr [#43]trexx never won anything bro
Yeah forsaken didnt win anything which means he is a bad player. Gotcha
Burger_brain [#58]Yeah forsaken didnt win anything which means he is a bad player. Gotcha
what lmfao are you illiterate
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
crazy snuck in keznit and jawgemo
Veri [#3]no and dont even come at me with "he invented lurking" because lurking is a thing since CS, Nats was only the first one to learn how to abuse it in Valorant, which is still very impressive but its nowhere near as impressive as what Less has done
nAts clears less, it's just that he had teams of disabled bots after Gambit/M3C, the moment he got better players with him he started shining again. Less can't perform in a "superteam", nAts is carrying current lulquid, there are levels to this game.
xineFso [#60]crazy snuck in keznit and jawgemo
jawgemo maybe understandable but keznit really bro this has to be a bait list
glittering_yard [#9]he is above Alfa, Less is the GOAT Sentinel
Less is goat sentinel, alfa is better player. his agent pool is larger
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
Yay should be behind alfajer and less. also Less is goat of sentinel but Alfa is better player. His agent pool is def larger. it should be Alfajer > Less > Yay
Burger_brain [#66]brazillians talking about literacy PepeLaugh
you literally have invented something in ur head dumb inbred
i stated that trexx didn't win anything (which is true) because the guy said no trexx no win
your fast food oiled brain somehow interpreted that i said hes bad
Burger_brain [#57]Less uses all the viper and cypher setups from nats. He only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay like Nats when its come to utility. Ur #3 is just dumb
why is #3 a dumb take then? you people keep saying that without providing counter arguments. Lurking was in fact already an existing concept and all that Nats did was in fact be the first one to abuse it in Valorant, i never lied at any point. Also you call my takes dumb yet you type "Less only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay" lmao bro if im dumb then you are a fucking potato
foythvlr [#67]you literally have invented something in ur head dumb inbred
i stated that trexx didn't win anything (which is true) because the guy said no trexx no win
your fast food oiled brain somehow interpreted that i said hes bad
mb dawg didnt know ur dumbass presumed that win= winning trophies and not winning officials
Veri [#68]why is #3 a dumb take then? you people keep saying that without providing counter arguments. Lurking was in fact already an existing concept and all that Nats did was in fact be the first one to abuse it in Valorant, i never lied at any point. Also you call my takes dumb yet you type "Less only has good mechanics and aim but he has no creativeness and stealthyness in his gameplay" lmao bro if im dumb then you are a fucking potato
indeed i am a potato fan cuz this potato explains why nAts was the first ever one to bring unique gameplay in viper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15so-G3N9Bk
Burger_brain [#69]mb dawg didnt know ur dumbass presumed that win= winning trophies and not winning officials
still irrelevant because i didnt say he was bad at all lol
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
personally TenZ should be above yay cuz he has more trophies than him and he is the biggest brand in you can disagree with me on that but no way keznit is on that list like no way he is over zekken , pancada , saadhak , crashies heck I'll even put c0m or Ardiis over him in an all time list even if u were to put latam player I would place kiNgg over him .
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
best list ive ever seen, except that Sacy is too high, in my opinion. yes, he has many trophies, but as a player that doesnt give you a free pass into the top 5. he shouldnt be above the likes of nats and less
BeraJr [#73]personally TenZ should be above yay cuz he has more trophies than him and he is the biggest brand in you can disagree with me on that but no way keznit is on that list like no way he is over zekken , pancada , saadhak , crashies heck I'll even put c0m or Ardiis over him in an all time list even if u were to put latam player I would place kiNgg over him .
i dont think tenz is anywhere near the top 10, he is popular but in the history of valorant many other players have surpassed him
sentinelmain377 [#12]thx for letting me hijack
nAts > Less
- when you think of Phantom GOAT = nAts
- when you think of Cypher Setups, Viper Setups = nAts
- best player of 2021 = nAts - this is a non-biased fact for u post-2021 valorant viewers btw
- tournament MVP Masters 3 Berlin = nAts
- aspas
- Derke
- Chronicle
- Leo
- Sacy
- nAts
- yay
- Less
- TenZ
- Alfajer
- MaKo
- Boaster
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
- Jawgemo
- cNed
- BuZz
- f0rsaken
- Demon1
- t3xture
the real top 20 includes (in no order):
NA: Yay, TenZ, Jawgemo, Demon1
SA: Aspas, Sacy, Less
EMEA: Chronicle, Derke, Leo, nAts, Alfajer, Boaster, cNed
PAC: MaKo, Meteor, BuZz, t3xture, f0rsaken
CN: Zmjjkk
get shao off add t3xture and forsaken(greatest player to hav not won a major and thts a fact)
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