Frost/Termi beef

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja8nwaZTwuU

i think this is so funny that termi is trying to say its not "good sportsmanship" as like his whole argument when hes publicly insulted frost and called his mother inept. why would riot punish frost for not fist bumping him like one is so much worse then the other. and then there is the whole scrim sharing allegations that riot wont enforce because its not explicitly against the rules but this entire beef seems so one sided in terms of like who actually has a reason to dislike the other person. is there really any other take you can have as a viewer then this? that isnt just saying innocent until proven guilty?

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ts was so 12hrs ago let it go man

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dude i just saw this video thought i would share it for those who care

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think about it, if termi knows that Riot won't take action against scrim leaking, why would termi put his entire career on the line if it was true

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Bc he's an idiot?

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The calling his mother inept was a mistranslation from someone on the internet, that comment never happened but yeah this entire beef is just meaningless

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i see regardless i think its stupid its just a personal beef between coaches that only makes the games more entertaining.

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I wonder what the real meaning in that mistranslation can I get the source thank you

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He said "Frost is no manner". He never talk about Frost's family.

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https://x.com/Jennlee_kr/status/1919078372707037367

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Yeah ngl, termi never shit talked his family or nun

Korea does scrim leak but that personal beef is #fake

frost is still who trickaim thinks he is

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They have longer term personal beef we're not privy to, but yeah, that particular bit is hot air.

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i just want someone fayde or whoever to speak up about who's leaking the scrims. we all know it's happening and there's proof but no one's calling anyone out. but bc of some beef with fr0st our team's the only one getting shit for it. honestly a bullshit

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i feel for you as a fan of the team its probably very annoying that termi and frost personal beef is coming with these allegations.

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TBHHHHH I THINK ITS GENG NOT DRX

I know munchkin came out and said he doesnt do it but it would be the coaches coordinating it

and the Global situation is solid proof that geng would take advantage of getting vods if given the chance

and if DRX get vods I fully think its tier 2 teams that just give vods to them not like they ask for it lol

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The Global situation was already told by everyone involved it was a joke among coaches and the Global coached realized too late it was a joke, who in the world would accept a scrim from the Academy team of their enemies in the first place before a match. So if anything I dont think GenG even needs VODs on Talon cause yeah lets be honest its Talon at the end of the day. They havent really made any innovation in terms of strats and like t3xture said "Just cause a strat failed or was bad doesnt mean the strat is leaked, we were just better on the day" rough translation from what he said on stream

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Was this even about scrim leak at all? I have no idea I thought it was just termi and frost beef 1v1 but so many pros and people came out and talk about scrim leaking stuff

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kyro1

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there is a personal aspect to it we arent fully privy to but the public portion is the scrim sharing between korean teams which isnt just frost calling him out on frost just has the most evidence and has been trying to get riot to enforce this for over a year.

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many pros and people came out and talk (especially the korean pros) because they got attacked for no reason at all (no evidence shown)

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Think about who's silent right now

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Honestly the craziest thing to come of this drama is that it's apparently not just the Korean teams that leak scrims.

Elevated, Daeda, and I think Fayde and Governor have mentioned or hinted that other countries outside of Korea share scrims in Asia.

Also Termi didn't insult anyone's mother.

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yeah it happens in na all the time as well its just like a hidden thing in korea to have the coalition against the sea teams

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where did this "hidden thing in korea to have the coalition against the sea teams" thing come from lmfao.

That is YOUR NARRATIVE that you are peddling without any evidence. In fact, the current evidence is that scrimsharing is not localised to Korea and that even Korean teams suffer from scrimsharing. And from what I know, from each other. You're acting like Korea intentionally banded together to make sure SEA teams are never good or something.

Moreover the original beef between fr0st and termi was that fr0st thought termi disrespected him when he first arrived in Korea and that escalated since then. Termi has gone on record to say fr0st called him a motherfucker.

It's apparent you have an underlying bias/narrative you're trying to weave. Stop it.

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dawg when you see the screenshots from elevated and others of which were asked by different korean teams to be scrim partners just before matches its not that hard to see whats happening. obviously idk what theyre intentions are its probably more self oriented then trying make sea teams bad but still how are you acting like this is a insane thing to say its pretty obvious.

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Elevated himself literally clarified that it was a joke and that non-Korean teams do it too.

"it's probably more self oriented than trying to make sea teams bad" then why are you trying to spin a narrative that invites unnecessary attacks on Korea lol?

"yeah Korean teams do it because they hate SEA teams" - you

"actually thats probably not true lol" - you in your next post

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yes bro its not just koreans thats what i said. im not trying to spin a narrative dude im just saying from all of specific examples being from korean teams its kind of obvious there is something going on there. i have nothing against korea dude im a fan of geng even though they have also been outed for this.

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you clearly just said "it's just a hidden thing in korea to have the coalition against the sea teams" like it's not a random ass narrative you're trying to spin 😭

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kyro1

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bro what are you talking about if all these korean teams are allegedly scrimsharing how else are you going to describe it when their only competition in region is sea teams 🤣

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archetype

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their competition includes each other vro...

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if you actually decided to pay closer attention, you would see Elevated's tweet where he denied this in a recent subtweet
also, geng academy also issued an apology right after, idk if that helps but take it as you will + termi also stated that he would retire if there was any evidence, so...

that sounds pretty convincing, as no one would call a stupid bluff like that if they didn't mean it.

with all of these figures, what's stopping them from dropping who's scrimleaking? that seems sus in itself?

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i guess we will see hopefully we get more evidence soon

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huh? this just isn't a thing, unless you mean the SEA fanbase trying to collectively maul on KR for... winning?

idk man if SEA isn't salty and are using baseless accusations as proof, idk what they're so mad about. as a drx fan I just want the proof to come out so we can get over this

sea and kr used to get along back in 2022... idrk what happened

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They only got along because both DRX and PRX had a good friendship, both were powerhouse teams with podium finishes during the year, and both were trophyless.

Now the only trophies for Pacific came from Korean teams, with Korea being the strongest subregion in the past 2 years.

SEA fans can be unhappy with how strong Korea has been that's their perogative but resorting to thinly veiled xenophobic remarks is unacceptable.

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also prx did switch scrim partners to edg HMMMMM

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you cannot be talking.

iirc, all of your posts about KR have been negative/complain-y. now, I'm not going to directly say "flag," but maybe also consider the fact that you seem to be unable to stop the hate train LMFAO

lets get actual proof before we start using speculation to continue your d1 hating

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Quit imagining things out of your ass. I couldnt careless if Korea keep dominating pacific. It would even be embarassing if yall didnt honestly given how much better Korea's esports culture and organization infrastructure compared to SEA. Even the pacific league is playing entirely in Korea for god sake. SEA players have to stay in a foreign country away from families and jerking off around other dudes for months is already a mental disadvantage.

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i actually agree with all of your points except for your initial statement.

archetype's first paragraph is just factually true, and DRX/PRX has acknowledged this + even collabed
second paragraph is only factual, don't see any imagination to say this
third paragraph is also a fact? we're currently seeing an influx of hate/racism being thrown KR's way (yes, I admit that some r*arded Koreans are also xenophobic pricks) and that's obvious unacceptable in any circumstance?

so where are we imagining things? is there some invisible paragraph that I'm not aware about? am I just blind without noticing it?
if not, I think its time you quit hallucinating things out of your ass.

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Dude claim SEA and KR were only friendly because both were equal/trophyless and now since KR start winning, SEA fans get mad and racist like we are some petty losers. Koreans never being racist towards SEA? If anything both sides have racists attack each other since the beginning of the game. His tone just reeks of superiority complex.

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woah dude, chill.

you just outed yourself as SEA, which makes sense, because I think you're a bit aggressive rn.

idk if you were a VCT fan back in 2022 (you made your VCT account/alt just a few weeks ago), but do you not remember all the memes DRX/PRX fans shared about being trophyless together? cringe-fest, but id say that a fair share of both fanbases bonded over choking on intl stages. and are you just ignoring the collab they did in 2023? and the friendly banter the fanbases have on twitter?

now since KR start winning, SEA fans get mad and racist like we are some petty losers.

well that's whats happening rn, isn't it? it's happening in front of your eyes!!

when have I or archetype ever said that KR isn't racist towards SEA? What??? Yes, both sides have racists attack each other from the beginning, but that's because Asians are just xenophobic as fuck. If you've been around VLR since 2021, you'll notice a crazy amount of SEA/KR fans beefing with each other and an increased number of xenophobic insults as compared to back then.

holy shit you genuinely sound like you're trying to play a combination of victim mindset and the racism card. i can assure you, that both KR/SEA are racist af and that the sheer number of SEA hate on KR has increased from 2021-23.

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lets not attack other

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Dreoxx

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sorry if I sounded too aggressive myself, I tend to escalate the situation when I see an argument made from emotion

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It's obvious im SEA, im not even trying to hide it lol.

I see most of the people who starting shit about this beef is not even from SEA but westerners who is just looking for drama. Stop being racist towards Thai/SEA because of the action of an american coach.

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im not trying to be racist to yall, what?

I'm mad about the same things you're mad about, just on the other side. i hate the people who are trying to start to beef, and I love SEA, just not FrosT and a few extreme people.

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kyro1

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#18 and yeah i agree they should just go public with all the evidence to force riot to do something atp bc without it nothing will happen.

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#23 and no, apparently TLN posted their "evidence" to Jake Sin and got rejected. What makes you think that Riot's stance would change, even after publicizing the issue?

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never got rejected but it got ignored.

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thanks for the correction

edit: well, we don't know for sure. FrosT claims that, but we don't know if Riot already ran an investigation and found nothing to be concerned about.

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kyro1

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riot is pretty wishy washy with rules especially when there is public outcry. like tgrd not signing into franchised originally was going to leave the team in t2 until enough people complained about their stance and forced them to change their mind. there are tons of examples where riot decides something and then changes it later.

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I hope that happens--its just that it doesn't happen often, for example, all of the complaints about the match schedule and formatting issues that got neglected

oh and maybe its a bias (since you're a g2 fan so the incident is obvious more memorable to you), since these communal complaints only happen if they're very widescale and even then only have a nonzero chance of happening.

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i mean yeah but thats kind of different they have to format a calendar year of games but have to make sure its in line with league format as well because of shared studios plus i honestly dont think they have done that bad at shortening off season and giving more matches like its fs improved from 23. and yeah that situation is easy to remember for me ur right.

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Daeda just cleared his side I don’t think he has mentioned anything else

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he mentioned that he, as t1, also suffered from scrim sharing from other regions.
you can interpret this differently but as the original accusation is that "korean teams scrimshare" when a korean team says that theyre suffering from scrimsharing from another region too, does this not mean that theres another region in apac sharing scrims

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So we just hate kr bcs of winning or wha? Termi bad translation didnt insult anyone. Also only acusing kr teams is crazy

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kyro1

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no korean hate here i love koreans and korean teams but if its true fs should be punished no? also ik korean teams arent the only teams who scrimshare allegedly

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i didn't see any korean-directed hate, i think you're good

its just that you just seemed a bit lost when it came to what was going on when you mentioned, "coalition against the sea teams," since that was not the most accurate thing to say + the fact that you seemed to be out of the loop with some pieces of the drama pie

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kyro1

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sorry if im not all the way in the know im not trying to spread misinfo i just dont speak korean idk what the actual translations and stuff are.

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not to be passive-aggressive, but i dont think its a good idea to start spreading ideas on the Internet when you don't have the full idea (or at least the full idea available via public sources)

no need to be sorry, you're just expressing your thoughts in a reasonable manner

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Ofc if all the allegations turn out to be true, Termi should be punished. But I doubt they are. There were too many mistranslations, and those drama-thirsty people with no lives have been spreading false accusations about Termi disrespecting Fr0st's mom

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ngl everytime I saw the clip where frost rejected termi handshake i was cringing so fucking hard😭

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The scrim leaks aside, it's completely unacceptable for Termii to make Xenophobic remarks like i hope he fucks off to his own region Americas. Also, Termi just said he'd get in a fist fight if it weren't on stage ????????
I just think these are insane things to be saying. If there's anything Riot should be penalizing anyone for, it's statements like these.
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It's unfortunate about scrim sharing and leaks. What can we even say/do if Riot hasn't officially acknowledged it/ haven't look into it.

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yeah im ngl that was a bit out of pocket. even if he's extra pissed, he shouldn't be throwing these out in a damn interview

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i agree and yeah i hope the public gets more info about the scrimsharing so riot is forced to acknowledge it

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For your information it is a mistranslation by the translator termi never mentioned about telling frost to fuckoff

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however, he did say that FrosT needs to go back to America if he's going to bitch about APAC scrim leaking and KR home-field adv.

while this wasn't a "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY" toned comment, he definitely could've worded that better

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it's not really the curse word "fuck" that is problematic. It's the xenophobic sentiment.

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there was zero xenophobic sentiment even though the phrasing itself was harsh, fake flagger detected

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trying to lecture someone about being professional and then saying that is wild

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True. Lmao

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what'd u expect from Koreans? they're known for that hahaa. being racist, discriminative, and xenophobic towards others is extremely usual there. The fact that they insulted Talon Fans (Thai people) calling them lower race and them being superior race and also calling them uneducated while not even supporting what Frost had said. lol+++

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lets be scrim partners <3

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Ok. So let’s check the facts up until now.

Termi didn’t mentioned about FrosT family. It was misinterpreted by language differences. However, there could have been a beef between them despite of it.
FrosT did say mf to Termi on stage.
FrosT accused Termi for scirm leak and mentioned that he has proof. However he hasn’t showed any proof up until now despite that fact that everyone wants to see the proof.

If he’s so sure about this whole scrim leak thing, why don’t he just show the proof?

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I've yet to see confirmation of 2.

As for 3, no, he literally didn't accuse Termi. People assumed that because of their other beef, which is seemingly completly unrelated.

Frost has not clarified who he meant because he was trying to get riot to sort it out internally but the accidental implication of Governor's tweets was last year's T1, so the likelihood is its a small group of coaches that has since moved around. I believe someone wrote up a speculation on it being a group of 3 now on GENG, NS and BLG this year, which, while of course unconfirmed, is the furthest I've seen anyone actually dig into details.

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That's what you're getting wrong. Frost said both DRX and GEN.
In the case of DRX, he didn't say it directly, but he hinted at it after DRX's loss by saying "Talon doesn't counter-strategize like anyone else" (not long after the Korean team announced that they would share scrims).
After GEN's win in Shanghai, Frost sarcastically said that Gen.G was doing something legal behind the scenes.
Frost hasn't responded for several days. He is a hypocrite and a demagogue at the same time.

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Thanks for the clear! I wasn’t sure about what was going on and wanted to see what has really happened. As for 2, I saw it on youtube interview with Korean caster that Termi himself confirmed that FrosT did say mf. (Well, he said “..cursed word that contains alphabet M and F so Im pretty sure thats mf)
As for 3. Thanks for the update I just assumed that FrosT accused him for scrim leak since he didn’t fist bump.Thanks for the clarification.