FPX is not CIS

please tell me how is FPX a CIS team, i can somewhat understand salty NA fans when they got obliterated by Gambit, but i'd love an explanation since i always see a lot of threads on this topic, thanks.

CIS players

1. Shao = Russia
2. Suygetsu = Russia

European Players

1. Zyppan = Sweden
2. Ardiis = Latvia

and now what im wondering

Ange1 is Ukrainian, and Ukraine is not even apart of CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) and they're fully geographically located in Europe, if you do a quick google search you could confirm both of these things, i also think ukraine wouldn't like to be placed in that group either (CIS)

they also have a swedish coach sooo

*edit for those who dont know
9 CIS countries are Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan

L bozo + eu d tier

So CIS is only Russia then?

Ashh [#2]

L bozo + eu d tier

this is what happens when you show facts to an NA resident

tonko [#4]

this is what happens when you show facts to an NA resident

no just braindead

lorenzopajaroFC [#3]

So CIS is only Russia then?

yeah i guess

CIS has 9 members and ukraine is not one of them (+ 2 observing ones which are not really that important)
quick google search will show you everything, there is a whole wikipedia page on it if you are curious (this was a reply for the brazil guy above)

Generally Ukraine is considered part of the CIS region in esports despite not actually being CIS. Probably because Russian and other CIS players often times play with Ukrainians.

doesn’t matter
only the desperate NA fans think there is a difference
FPX, Gambit, Navi are all European teams
Russia is Europe.
Ukraine is also Europe.

tonko [#7]

CIS has 9 members and ukraine is not one of them (+ 2 observing ones which are not really that important)
quick google search will show you everything, there is a whole wikipedia page on it if you are curious (this was a reply for the brazil guy above)

Then reply to me dude

Besides I doubt the actual geographical definition of CIS matters in here, they compete in the CIS vct and therefore they’re part of the CIS region, that’s it, no need to overcomplicate things when that’s all that matters

Ukraine and Latvia are considered EU geographically yes.
Politically only Latvia is EU, and Ukraine has applied to be apart of the EU
As for Valorant Competitive regions go they are BOTH considered CIS
That makes 4/5 CIS

You need to learn the difference between politcal, geographical, and valorant competitve regions as there is a difference.

EUisbetter [#9]

doesn’t matter
only the desperate NA fans think there is a difference
FPX, Gambit, Navi are all European teams
Russia is Europe.
Ukraine is also Europe.

If this were the case then why dont they compete in EU quals instead of a separate CIS?

I believe Baltic countries are commonly included in the term cis even tough they are not literally part of it

Mjtchell [#12]

If this were the case then why dont they compete in EU quals instead of a separate CIS?

oh look
a butthurt NA fan

EUisbetter [#14]

oh look
a butthurt NA fan

Copium, just mad EU lost to BR, APAC, JP, and KR

Mjtchell [#15]

Copium, just mad EU lost to BR, APAC, JP, and KR

copium

OK WHO CARES THAT REGION STILL LOST THATS ALL THAT MATTERS EUROPE IS SHIT!!!

Ashh [#5]

no just braindead

bro stfu ur making us Canadians seem like Americans

EUisbetter [#16]

copium

L

Mjtchell [#19]

L

irrelevant
eu was nerfed
NA is still tier 2

Mjtchell [#11]

Ukraine and Latvia are considered EU geographically yes.
Politically only Latvia is EU, and Ukraine has applied to be apart of the EU
As for Valorant Competitive regions go they are BOTH considered CIS
That makes 4/5 CIS

You need to learn the difference between politcal, geographical, and valorant competitve regions as there is a difference.

4/5 CIS what are u smoking my man, pass it to me
u can be playing in a different qualifier and still be european you do realise that? and no im not talking about the european union, that doesn't really matter, im pretty sure if u come and ask zyppan what region he's from he wont tell u anything other than european

the main reason why im talking about FPX being European is pretty simple, because it ticks both political and geographical standpoints

Political = trying to join EU in the future (Currently not apart of anything, not even CIS, they left it)
Geographically = European 100%

Valorant qualifier might be because they had Dimasick who is kazakh beforehand, and they stuck with it to not mess anything up, it could change in the future.

and even if u deny everything, a coach is still apart of the team, and a vital part of the team, it would make 3/6 team members european, and other CIS (if u really want to go that far to deny the ange1 part)

Mayeb but still can’t compare cause fpx hasn’t proven themselves,YET

tonko [#21]

4/5 CIS what are u smoking my man, pass it to me
u can be playing in a different qualifier and still be european you do realise that? and no im not talking about the european union, that doesn't really matter, im pretty sure if u come and ask zyppan what region he's from he wont tell u anything other than european

the main reason why im talking about FPX being European is pretty simple, because it ticks both political and geographical standpoints

Political = trying to join EU in the future (Currently not apart of anything, not even CIS, they left it)
Geographically = European 100%

Valorant qualifier might be because they had Dimasick who is kazakh beforehand, and they stuck with it to not mess anything up, it could change in the future.

and even if u deny everything, a coach is still apart of the team, and a vital part of the team, it would make 3/6 team members european, and other CIS (if u really want to go that far to deny the ange1 part)

coach never counts as core btw, this is idiotic, FPX is considered by valorant standards as a CIS team

hiyo [#23]

coach never counts as core btw, this is idiotic, FPX is considered by valorant standards as a CIS team

This dude is on the hardest copium I've ever seen lmao
Valorant labels both those countries CIS and thats all there is to it. Its just a competitive region

EUisbetter [#20]

irrelevant
eu was nerfed
NA is still tier 2

NA ON TOP BABY!!! WOOOOOOO! GL next time little fella.

Mjtchell [#24]

This dude is on the hardest copium I've ever seen lmao
Valorant labels both those countries CIS and thats all there is to it. Its just a competitive region

then talk to me baby, read my message again and let me know why im on copium, its easy to just say copium this, copium that, have a normal conversation with me, prove me wrong

Sexy_Fit_NA_King [#26]

NA ON TOP BABY!!! WOOOOOOO! GL next time little fella.

on top of the tier 2 scene maybe

tonko [#27]

then talk to me baby, read my message again and let me know why im on copium, its easy to just say copium this, copium that, have a normal conversation with me, prove me wrong

Buddy I read it. None of it makes sense. Get off of all of your other accounts and stop mass downvoting.

EUisbetter [#28]

on top of the tier 2 scene maybe

KEKW no wonder EU TEETH are so fucked up. Always bite sooo damn hard on this bait. LOL man EU is so dumb :D

Mjtchell [#29]

Buddy I read it. None of it makes sense. Get off of all of your other accounts and stop mass downvoting.

it might not make sense if you are american, i totally understand, a lot of reading you need to do and understanding about politics and geography, all good G
also "all of your other accounts" 💀 made me laugh ty

tonko [#31]

it might not make sense if you are american, i totally understand, a lot of reading you need to do and understanding about politics and geography, all good G
also "all of your other accounts" 💀 made me laugh ty

More copium and toxicity

Sexy_Fit_NA_King [#30]

KEKW no wonder EU TEETH are so fucked up. Always bite sooo damn hard on this bait. LOL man EU is so dumb :D

wdym? you fell for my bait first

Mjtchell [#32]

More copium and toxicity

no point in talking to you, you're not the brightest

Because they literally played in the CIS qualifiers did they not?

ajwinner [#35]

Because they literally played in the CIS qualifiers did they not?

they could play in the EU qualifiers as well
nobody knows why is there a difference

One reason could be due to ping issues and easier for those players in eastern Europe to play in CIS rather than having high ping for EU, although I could be wrong as I am not super familiar with the ping situation in EMEA.

ajwinner [#35]

Because they literally played in the CIS qualifiers did they not?

its nationality and i guess a tiny bit of political in this one thus me mentioning CIS, not a qualifier that determines whether you are european or not, they also had dimasick (a kazakh) play for them before they acquired their new player and were 3/5 CIS at that time, so it could be the reason they're still playing there, things might change the next qualifier (if they have to play it)

there are league of legends teams playing in CIS league that are not full CIS and have players composing from other countries other than the CIS ones

all this time i thought ukraine is part of CIS

CIS is not a geographical region.

It's a political organization, kinda like EU, that former Soviet states are a part of, but Ukraine isn't, because of their less than friendly relationship with russia

But in esports, it's a separate (sub)region, sometimes grouped together with Europe, and Ukraine is a part of the region in most esports

tonko [#34]

no point in talking to you, you're not the brightest

All you're doing is trying to insult me when youre not even thinking.
Riot considers Latvia (Ardiis) and Uktraine (Ange1) CIS
4 players are considered CIS and therefore according to Riot are CIS
This is why they played in CIS quals
https://www.vlr.gg/63586/natus-vincere-vs-funplus-phoenix-champions-tour-cis-stage-1-challengers-1-gf
As you can see there, they qualed through CIS quals
You can literally look this up. Its right there.
Political and Geographic labels dont mean shit as riot recognizes this as a CIS team, and they compete against CIS teams
I really shouldnt have to spell it out so simply.

Mjtchell [#11]

Ukraine and Latvia are considered EU geographically yes.
Politically only Latvia is EU, and Ukraine has applied to be apart of the EU
As for Valorant Competitive regions go they are BOTH considered CIS
That makes 4/5 CIS

You need to learn the difference between politcal, geographical, and valorant competitve regions as there is a difference.

Mostly true, but unlike Ukraine, Latvia is almost always considered fully EU in most esports

Why is EU so desperate to be relevant?

xaboff [#42]

Mostly true, but unlike Ukraine, Latvia is almost always considered fully EU in most esports

This is true, this information aside though thatd still be 3/5

Mjtchell [#41]

All you're doing is trying to insult me when youre not even thinking.
Riot considers Latvia (Ardiis) and Uktraine (Ange1) CIS
4 players are considered CIS and therefore according to Riot are CIS
This is why they played in CIS quals
https://www.vlr.gg/63586/natus-vincere-vs-funplus-phoenix-champions-tour-cis-stage-1-challengers-1-gf
As you can see there, they qualed through CIS quals
You can literally look this up. Its right there.
Political and Geographic labels dont mean shit as riot recognizes this as a CIS team, and they compete against CIS teams
I really shouldnt have to spell it out so simply.

this is simply not true, latvian players can both compete in EU and CIS + ardiis is lives in england, have you even heard that motherfucker talk? he is a literal scouse, idk why you are lying about things saying lavia is cis when they are not, they can play both since the separation between EU and CIS is idiotic and there is countries in conflict that can participate in both, same case for ukraine and any other baltic country + Why are you even talking? You dont know anything about how Europeans teams should be labelled, no1 would consider fpx CIS its actually stupid, CIS teams are teams who speak russian, FPX is just exploiting the system, no team that isnt composed by 5 CIS players should play on CIS, it should be reserved to russian speaking teams to get a chance to play challengers, not european mixes that last year had an EU core and then got suygetsu just so they can exploit the system and get an easy spot in challengers

You speak english and are European? You are EU team which is an abrevation for EUROPE not EUROPEAN UNION in esports, you have 5 russian speaking players? you are CIS

PLZ DONT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW DUMB AMERICAN

LouBag [#43]

Why is EU so desperate to be relevant?

Dont generalise
also this might make a bit of a difference because idk if they would play the CIS challenger or EU one

Mjtchell [#41]

All you're doing is trying to insult me when youre not even thinking.
Riot considers Latvia (Ardiis) and Uktraine (Ange1) CIS
4 players are considered CIS and therefore according to Riot are CIS
This is why they played in CIS quals
https://www.vlr.gg/63586/natus-vincere-vs-funplus-phoenix-champions-tour-cis-stage-1-challengers-1-gf
As you can see there, they qualed through CIS quals
You can literally look this up. Its right there.
Political and Geographic labels dont mean shit as riot recognizes this as a CIS team, and they compete against CIS teams
I really shouldnt have to spell it out so simply.

i know they're playing in CIS qualifiers buddy, read my messages because that was a waste of time to link and let me know that they qualified through CIS qualifier

i would also really love you to show me where riot said they consider ardiis a CIS player

also https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Category:CIS_Teams why is FPX not on the list?

i'd also like to say its pretty funny that geographical label doesn't matter, i'd say its very important, even more than a qualifier, pretty sure ange1 would say he is a european from a european country, we could ask him if you want, maybe he answers

idkbro [#45]

this is simply not true, latvian players can both compete in EU and CIS + ardiis is lives in england, have you even heard that motherfucker talk? he is a literal scouse, idk why you are lying about things saying lavia is cis when they are not, they can play both since the separation between EU and CIS is idiotic and there is countries in conflict that can participate in both, same case for ukraine and any other baltic country + Why are you even talking? You dont know anything about how Europeans teams should be labelled, no1 would consider fpx CIS its actually stupid, CIS teams are teams who speak russian, FPX is just exploiting the system, no team that isnt composed by 5 CIS players should play on CIS, it should be reserved to russian speaking teams to get a chance to play challengers, not european mixes that last year had an EU core and then got suygetsu just so they can exploit the system and get an easy spot in challengers

You speak english and are European? You are EU team which is an abrevation for EUROPE not EUROPEAN UNION in esports, you have 5 russian speaking players? you are CIS

PLZ DONT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW DUMB AMERICAN

Lets just say latvia is fully European
Ukraine and Russia are both in riot CIS competitive region
3/5 players are CIS
This is literally all you need to know
Coaches do not count because they do not make up the core 3 players to retain circuit points

Also I literally said that political labels DO NOT matter. I know the European Union has no influence on any of this I said this
Riot labels FPX as CIS. Thats literally my whole argument and you guys cant seem to comprehend it

anonomous [#18]

bro stfu ur making us Canadians seem like Americans

that was uncalled for

who cares, they are all european teams and if you are european you should support them, doesnt matter what qualifier they played in, this is just an imaginary system made by riot, CSGO and Dota there is only EU region, no CIS or Turkey, if valorant was popular af in DACH and they had a huge amount of good players they would probably get their own qualifier too, would they not be EU? ofc not lmao, only reason CIS and TR is a thing is because of viewership and playerbase they bring not because it is an actual distinctive region lmao, let the retarded americans cope a little saying they are not EU, maybe some day that even CIS pros/players call it all EU, no1 from CIS would say they arent EU, same if my country had our own qualifier I would still call myself EU, btw CIS matches are played on Poland servers aka EU country lmao

tonko [#48]

i know they're playing in CIS qualifiers buddy, read my messages because that was a waste of time to link and let me know that they qualified through CIS qualifier

i would also really love you to show me where riot said they consider ardiis a CIS player

also https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Category:CIS_Teams why is FPX not on the list?

i'd also like to say its pretty funny that geographical label doesn't matter, i'd say its very important, even more than a qualifier, pretty sure ange1 would say he is a european from a european country, we could ask him if you want, maybe he answers

Omg you cant be this dense
FPX in CIS quals
FPX is CIS team.
Lets say its not, it still relies on CIS talent to be anywhere near as good as the actual European teams it competes with
CIS > EU

Mjtchell [#49]

Lets just say latvia is fully European
Ukraine and Russia are both in riot CIS competitive region
3/5 players are CIS
This is literally all you need to know
Coaches do not count because they do not make up the core 3 players to retain circuit points

Also I literally said that political labels DO NOT matter. I know the European Union has no influence on any of this I said this
Riot labels FPX as CIS. Thats literally my whole argument and you guys cant seem to comprehend it

I know what you are saying but my point is that no1 in Europe would call FPX a CIS team, they are just exploiting a bad system made by RIot, any team that speaks english and has players from different countries is called an "EU mix" in competitive play, there is a distinction between playing for a national team and a european team in Europe, no1 would call FPX a CIS team, also why tf is it CIS? Why would you even call it CIS qualifiers? Riot so stupid just call it Russia, also CIS players have the option to play EU qualifiers if they want to, even tho they wont because its 10 times harder than CIS qualifiers but they are allowed to

Mjtchell [#52]

Omg you cant be this dense
FPX in CIS quals
FPX is CIS team.
Lets say its not, it still relies on CIS talent to be anywhere near as good as the actual European teams it competes with
CIS > EU

What you dont seem to understand from your foreign american point of view is that the de iure classification Riot uses for teams is not useful nor used by european fans, idc if they exploit a bad system and farm CIS qualifiers, they are still EU in every1 eyes but anyway this discussion is stupid because doesnt matter if EU or CIS they are just european at the end of the day, also why are you talking so much if you probably dont even know anything about EU as a region or what europeans think? Classic american trying to impose their views on other parts of the world, actual world police in your heads

EUisbetter [#33]

wdym? you fell for my bait first

I got u little guy, nt tho.

Mjtchell [#52]

Omg you cant be this dense
FPX in CIS quals
FPX is CIS team.
Lets say its not, it still relies on CIS talent to be anywhere near as good as the actual European teams it competes with
CIS > EU

constantly ignoring what im saying, no point in me replying to your pointless salty takes then lmfao, literally just proven me you are here to bait and be salty by typing "CIS > EU"

Historically, Ukraine has been a part of CIS. Ukraine was part of CIS until 2018, when they pulled out because of tensions with Russia.

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idkbro [#51]

who cares, they are all european teams and if you are european you should support them, doesnt matter what qualifier they played in, this is just an imaginary system made by riot, CSGO and Dota there is only EU region, no CIS or Turkey, if valorant was popular af in DACH and they had a huge amount of good players they would probably get their own qualifier too, would they not be EU? ofc not lmao, only reason CIS and TR is a thing is because of viewership and playerbase they bring not because it is an actual distinctive region lmao, let the retarded americans cope a little saying they are not EU, maybe some day that even CIS pros/players call it all EU, no1 from CIS would say they arent EU, same if my country had our own qualifier I would still call myself EU, btw CIS matches are played on Poland servers aka EU country lmao

well said

anonomous [#18]

bro stfu ur making us Canadians seem like Americans

imagine being from canada 🤣 wannabe usa with shit currency

idk man google told me Ukraine is part of CIS

EUisbetter [#33]

wdym? you fell for my bait first

Eu got conquerd by tier 3 regions so therfore eu tier 5

Sexy_Fit_NA_King [#55]

I got u little guy, nt tho.

EU and BR owns NA in every esport

VALoka [#62]

Eu got conquerd by tier 3 regions so therfore eu tier 5

1 fluke win = concurred
🤡

tonko [#56]

constantly ignoring what im saying, no point in me replying to your pointless salty takes then lmfao, literally just proven me you are here to bait and be salty by typing "CIS > EU"

How am I salty lmaooooo, Ive read and considered what you are saying. And I have already told you they dont apply...
Read what im saying man and you might understand

VALoka [#60]

imagine being from canada 🤣 wannabe usa with shit currency

dont you guys use USD? Dont even have your own currency

I think where people are getting confused is that there are different connotations that go with CIS a political one and a regional one. As a region I think people still consider Ukraine to be apart of CIS but the country itself ended its participation in CIS statutory bodies in 2018.
Just googled it I really don't know anything about it

VALoka [#60]

imagine being from canada 🤣 wannabe usa with shit currency

why would i wanna be for the states :skull:

ballistA [#50]

that was uncalled for

i sorry brother i still love u guys

SaltyWaffIe [#37]

One reason could be due to ping issues and easier for those players in eastern Europe to play in CIS rather than having high ping for EU, although I could be wrong as I am not super familiar with the ping situation in EMEA.

they play on polish servers

Mjtchell [#12]

If this were the case then why dont they compete in EU quals instead of a separate CIS?

you're so braindead. stop making us look bad, they represent emea

Mjtchell [#44]

This is true, this information aside though thatd still be 3/5

yes ik, just correcting his info

fpx is chinese

swf [#71]

you're so braindead. stop making us look bad, they represent emea

Man what do you think a subregion is?

neozi [#73]

fpx is chinese

true china #1

Half EU half CIS. Playing in CIS because its easier to qualify most likely.

anonomous [#68]

why would i wanna be for the states :skull:

No one says " i want to go to canada" like tf what does canada have? Toronto LMFAOO

Ig I class them as CIS/EU if they play their qualifiers in that region

Mjtchell [#15]

Copium, just mad EU lost to BR, APAC, JP, and KR

Because Europe geographically is different from regions in game. 75% of the Russian population lives in Europe for example. Eu doesn’t always mean the political Eu, we mostly mean Europe as a whole and the same goes for the valorant region eu we just mean Europe. Navi and gambit have mostly Russian players so are European. Fpx is also fully European, they just qual on another region in Valorant.

Mjtchell [#11]

Ukraine and Latvia are considered EU geographically yes.
Politically only Latvia is EU, and Ukraine has applied to be apart of the EU
As for Valorant Competitive regions go they are BOTH considered CIS
That makes 4/5 CIS

You need to learn the difference between politcal, geographical, and valorant competitve regions as there is a difference.

Still all European players, they only count as Cis as an ingame region. In my case i just support European teams, not teams that are the Eu region in Valorant. Gmb, navi and fpx are all European.

Ashh [#17]

OK WHO CARES THAT REGION STILL LOST THATS ALL THAT MATTERS EUROPE IS SHIT!!!

This master Eu played very shit, i have to agree. But dont forget they came in the grand final in Iceland last year, masters Berlin last year and also Champions had 2 European teams so they have just been playing shit in 2022, but i hope they will come back strong.

VALoka [#77]

No one says " i want to go to canada" like tf what does canada have? Toronto LMFAOO

bro do you even know whats in Canada? people who do come here often

FPX is not CIS!

anonomous [#82]

bro do you even know whats in Canada? people who do come here often

Ask the world no one gives AF about canada while the only thing people talk about is usa

VALoka [#84]

Ask the world no one gives AF about canada while the only thing people talk about is usa

of course they talk more about USA its USA lmao but how much of the topics are good???, More people like Canadians better

esports isnt the same as in real life, ukrainian players are usually considered cis because of language/geography/culture, even if they arent irl.

VALoka [#84]

Ask the world no one gives AF about canada while the only thing people talk about is usa

How to instantly ban you lemme know. Cause you have L opinions

this is probably why

Mjtchell [#52]

Omg you cant be this dense
FPX in CIS quals
FPX is CIS team.
Lets say its not, it still relies on CIS talent to be anywhere near as good as the actual European teams it competes with
CIS > EU

copium

volaweeb [#87]

How to instantly ban you lemme know. Cause you have L opinions

ong like bro "Lets go to canada" 🤓🤓

kristof [#64]

1 fluke win = concurred
🤡

2 fluke win

EUisbetter [#33]

wdym? you fell for my bait first

nah bro you fell for his bait and then just "no u" him lmao. you're a clown.

VALoka [#90]

ong like bro "Lets go to canada" 🤓🤓

this what the average person living in a third world country thinks lmaoo

anonomous [#94]

this what the average person living in a third world country thinks lmaoo

No bro.. Ur delusional

FPX thinking that open qualification in eu is lottery. Especialy in start when you play only 1 map. So they decided play in CIS because teams are less. 2 people from CIS enough for playing. And actually Ukrainians can decide which part of they are playing for (CIS or EU) (If I remember right that was saying by angel or shao on streams or in video some time ago)
So we have 3 CIS players and 3 EU players in 5 players stack.

Johnny33 [#96]

FPX thinking that open qualification in eu is lottery. Especialy in start when you play only 1 map. So they decided play in CIS because teams are less. 2 people from CIS enough for playing. And actually Ukrainians can decide which part of they are playing for (CIS or EU) (If I remember right that was saying by angel or shao on streams or in video some time ago)
So we have 3 CIS players and 3 EU players in 5 players stack.

Ah so they CHOSE to be CIS and in fact ARE CIS

Mjtchell [#97]

Ah so they CHOSE to be CIS and in fact ARE CIS

You can choose when for playing need only 2 people. And you can take 2 from this part and 2 from this.

anonomous [#82]

bro do you even know whats in Canada? people who do come here often

Squamish is a great rock climbing town in Canada, yall also have vancover bay which is pretty sick

Did you say Ukraine isn't part of Russia?!????!?!

Putin coming for yo valorant ass

EUisbetter [#63]

EU and BR owns NA in every esport

except for all of them

VALoka [#95]

No bro.. Ur delusional

I AM delusional lmaoooo, when it's so clear that Canada is literally the more liked and better country overall, do your research before u type kid

VALoka [#95]

No bro.. Ur delusional

I like canada :D

VALoka [#60]

imagine being from canada 🤣 wannabe usa with shit currency

leave me and my maple syrup alone

Avix [#103]

I like canada :D

I love America my little brother born there

CIS in cybersport is just countries that used to be part of USSR and it has nothing to do with politics and geography
/closed