you cannot debate this
ethan > boaster
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objectively how can you disagree, ethan has more trophies, better stats and is now an igl too. not even the same convo as boaster hes up there w chron aspas
boaster is definitely a better IGL in terms of broader calling ability but ethan is like top 3 of all time
twigster001 [#10]boaster is definitely a better IGL in terms of broader calling ability but ethan is like top 3 of all time
Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
macncheese [#7]objectively how can you disagree, ethan has more trophies, better stats and is now an igl too. not even the same convo as boaster hes up there w chron aspas
ethan has more trophies? since when?
they have the same amount rn and boaster has much more finals appearances
this is not controversial, there's maybe 2-3 players better than Ethan and boaster sure as hell isn't one of them
Germy [#15]not at all
Boaster > Ethan
but
Bonkar > mini/milan
Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
neruduh [#18]i dont think ethan can IGL his team back from a 11-3 and an 11-1 but ig bro
literally igl'd his team back from 11-2 in his first international map ever as an IGL but fnc fans aren't known for being intelligent
regalicera [#20]literally igl'd his team back from 11-2 in his first international map ever as an IGL but fnc fans aren't known for being intelligent
acting like that wasnt against EDG without any pressure, i wanna see ethan do it in an international final, then maybe he's better than boaster
regalicera [#20]literally igl'd his team back from 11-2 in his first international map ever as an IGL but fnc fans aren't known for being intelligent
Against who ch0na ?? 15th placement team
Germy [#16]ethan has more trophies? since when?
they have the same amount rn and boaster has much more finals appearances
i wiped lock/in from memory as anyone having a serious trophy conversation should do. but ok sure even count that, its still worth less than 2 champs. also grand final appearances dont mean shit, if anything boaster going -30 every grandfinal is why alfa isnt in the goat convo yet
neruduh [#18]i dont think ethan can IGL his team back from a 11-3 and an 11-1 but ig bro
fnatic fans have hit levels of delusions vlr has never seen before, theyre genuinely trying to psyop us into believe boaster is better than ethan LOL. not a single team on planet earth would take boaster over ethan
Dam1aN [#19]Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
acting like skuba mada and brawk are a bunch of bums, son im crine 😭💔
neruduh [#21]acting like that wasnt against EDG without any pressure, i wanna see ethan do it in an international final, then maybe he's better than boaster
nice goalpost moving kiddo!
but in any case, I think Ethan is quite content having beat boaster to win his second Champions trophy meanwhile boaster sits on his hands. hey at least you came back from 11-1 though
twigster001 [#10]boaster is definitely a better IGL in terms of broader calling ability but ethan is like top 3 of all time
boaster calling to hit site in the final 15 seconds = better igl
Dam1aN [#19]Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
Ethan champs 2:
1st got carried by prime demon1 and jawg
2nd had bonkar and odin wanker
regalicera [#26]nice goalpost moving kiddo!
but in any case, I think Ethan is quite content having beat boaster to win his second Champions trophy meanwhile boaster sits on his hands. hey at least you came back from 11-1 though
sure he'd be content with beating boaster once, but let's see each of their Igling credentials: boaster has been igling fnatic for 5 years, in these 5 years hes made 6 vct international finals, and multiple regional finals. in all of these finals he's igled multiple iterations of rosters. now ethan. in 2024 when igling NRG, NRG went 9th-10th in stage 1 and had to have FNS save his ass for stage 2. in 2025, sure he improved as a leader, but the fact that he has a better duelist, senti, and initiator probably helps with the fact as well.
neruduh [#30]sure he'd be content with beating boaster once, but let's see each of their Igling credentials: boaster has been igling fnatic for 5 years, in these 5 years hes made 6 vct international finals, and multiple regional finals. in all of these finals he's igled multiple iterations of rosters. now ethan. in 2024 when igling NRG, NRG went 9th-10th in stage 1 and had to have FNS save his ass for stage 2. in 2025, sure he improved as a leader, but the fact that he has a better duelist, senti, and initiator probably helps with the fact as well.
ethan has been igling for less than a year and he is two series away from overtaking boaster’s entire career
neruduh [#18]i dont think ethan can IGL his team back from a 11-3 and an 11-1 but ig bro
Two 8-11 comebacks vs DRX, 2-11 comeback vs EDG
neruduh [#30]sure he'd be content with beating boaster once, but let's see each of their Igling credentials: boaster has been igling fnatic for 5 years, in these 5 years hes made 6 vct international finals, and multiple regional finals. in all of these finals he's igled multiple iterations of rosters. now ethan. in 2024 when igling NRG, NRG went 9th-10th in stage 1 and had to have FNS save his ass for stage 2. in 2025, sure he improved as a leader, but the fact that he has a better duelist, senti, and initiator probably helps with the fact as well.
actually he's beat boaster twice. and you sure are doing a lot of yapping to say that Ethan has been in the role 1/5 as long as Boaster and yet has already achieved what Boaster could never do (win Champs)
neruduh [#30]sure he'd be content with beating boaster once, but let's see each of their Igling credentials: boaster has been igling fnatic for 5 years, in these 5 years hes made 6 vct international finals, and multiple regional finals. in all of these finals he's igled multiple iterations of rosters. now ethan. in 2024 when igling NRG, NRG went 9th-10th in stage 1 and had to have FNS save his ass for stage 2. in 2025, sure he improved as a leader, but the fact that he has a better duelist, senti, and initiator probably helps with the fact as well.
'made finals' im crine apparently #2 is an achievement now..
catNmouse [#32]Two 8-11 comebacks vs DRX, 2-11 comeback vs EDG
7-0 comeback vs DRX mind you
shrike- [#31]ethan has been igling for less than a year and he is two series away from overtaking boaster’s entire career
how about we wait till the trophy is tangible and not hypothetical? we can say if all we want but unless Ethan actually wins Santiago we can put this to rest and say ethan is better than boaster?
t0t0_wolff [#29]NRG literally called washed fns to igl with ethan on team so .......
yes cause when ethan igl in 2024 for some time, they had chet
that why he did bad in 2024
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ILikeEsports [#37]yes cause when ethan igl in 2024 for some time, they had chet
that why he did bad in 2024
👍
So champs credits should go to bonkar and odin merchant. Fns won masters with chet
t0t0_wolff [#39]So champs credits should go to bonkar and odin merchant. Fns won masters with chet
in a similar fashion all of FNC’s trophies credits should go to leo and alfajer, boaster just got ultra carried to two trophies
macncheese [#34]'made finals' im crine apparently #2 is an achievement now..
why do you think LeBron is considered one of the greatest of all time? #2 is still better than going 9th-10th
regalicera [#35]7-0 comeback vs DRX mind you
forgot the reverse sweep vs MIBR down 3-9 to qualify for masters santiago and now they are top 3
neruduh [#41]why do you think LeBron is considered one of the greatest of all time? #2 is still better than going 9th-10th
picked possibly the worst comparison possible, LeBron is 40 and still puts up numbers while winning
boaster has a -500 kill differential for his career
neruduh [#41]why do you think LeBron is considered one of the greatest of all time? #2 is still better than going 9th-10th
when boaster drops bron numbers lmk atp im convinced ur a ragebait alt
lejargon [#38]Both have Asian girlfriends
Both are Champions
Both IGL
Both are hot
bro one started igling last year
one has been igling for five year and has taken a lot of teams to intls
Dam1aN [#12]Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
he also took a team with a rookie and an import to two grand finals last year
bleakkkkkkk [#47]bro one started igling last year
one has been igling for five year and has taken a lot of teams to intls
one of them will have more trophies this Sunday
t0t0_wolff [#28]Ethan champs 2:
1st got carried by prime demon1 and jawg
2nd had bonkar and odin wanker
not to mention eg won champs against chokerex
t0t0_wolff [#28]Ethan champs 2:
1st got carried by prime demon1 and jawg
2nd had bonkar and odin wanker
"carried" is crazy when he was the 2nd best initiator in 2023 after Leo
Im an EMEA d1 hater and botster is the best IGL oat - in terms of current skill top 3 IGLs
catNmouse [#32]Two 8-11 comebacks vs DRX, 2-11 comeback vs EDG
we acting like 8-11 is a notable comeback😭
Sh0maa [#57]One is the best IGL ever. The other got carried by Brawk and Demon1
do u know who boaster played with? LMAOOO
macncheese [#23]i wiped lock/in from memory as anyone having a serious trophy conversation should do. but ok sure even count that, its still worth less than 2 champs. also grand final appearances dont mean shit, if anything boaster going -30 every grandfinal is why alfa isnt in the goat convo yet
truth nuke
twigster001 [#48]he also took a team with a rookie and an import to two grand finals last year
An import who also holds a trophy + helped with the calling and one of the best rookies in 25...
shrike- [#5]only one of these players has a champs trophy let alone two, all imma say
IGL debate is different than GOAT debate
Boaster as an IGL all time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan (0 debate needed. Ethan is a pretty new IGL).
Ethan and Boaster in the GOAT conversation is where it is closer (Boaster still clears rn).
Dam1aN [#12]Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
but u NA fans dont call any of Alfajer/Chron/Derke/Leo the goat so wdym gng?
IGL debate is different than GOAT debate
Boaster as an IGL all time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan (0 debate needed. Ethan is a pretty new IGL and Bonkar is definitely doing a lot on the team).
Ethan and Boaster in the GOAT conversation is where it is closer (Boaster still clears rn).
wtfisthisshttt [#59]do u know who boaster played with? LMAOOO
Boaster got to events with bums like Mistic/Magnum/Enzo/Doma on his team. Even coach Mini left, and Boaster was still successful. Yall are brainded or ragebaiting
sentinelmain377 [#62]IGL debate is different than GOAT debate
Boaster as an IGL all time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan (0 debate needed. Ethan is a pretty new IGL).
Ethan and Boaster in the GOAT conversation is where it is closer (Boaster still clears rn).
bait used to be believable
boaster carrying emea but not hard enough. region hasnt won in 1000 days lmao
ZToast [#66]bait used to be believable
Not even bait, boaster is just better
sentinelmain377 [#62]IGL debate is different than GOAT debate
Boaster as an IGL all time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan (0 debate needed. Ethan is a pretty new IGL).
Ethan and Boaster in the GOAT conversation is where it is closer (Boaster still clears rn).
last time i checked, 2 was greater than 0
shrike- [#69]last time i checked, 2 was greater than 0
"My brain is not able to comprehend arguments. I see number, I agree." - shrike-
This used to be how newgen Chron fans with 0 bk talked. What happened to NA fans lmao? just getting dumber and dumber.
sentinelmain377 [#63]but u NA fans dont call any of Alfajer/Chron/Derke/Leo the goat so wdym gng?
But you guys do so that means you acknowledge the fact that boaster had some of the best players in the world on his team when he won.
sentinelmain377 [#70]"My brain is not able to comprehend arguments. I see number, I agree." - shrike-
This used to be how newgen Chron fans with 0 bk talked. What happened to NA fans lmao? just getting dumber and dumber.
don't worry, i'd also be talking like this if the supposed "goat" hasn't won anything for 1000 days
shrike- [#72]don't worry, i'd also be talking like this if the supposed "goat" hasn't won anything for 1000 days
bro doesnt know what "goat" means
sentinelmain377 [#73]bro doesnt know what "goat" means
it doesn't mean alfajer or chronicle, i know that for sure
macncheese [#44]when boaster drops bron numbers lmk atp im convinced ur a ragebait alt
gng are u ragebaiting or do you see a team that gets 2nd at events (winning a lot of prize money) as the same as a team that didnt qualify to any internationals? What is this low-quality bait gng? Make it believable
DBStudios [#71]But you guys do so that means you acknowledge the fact that boaster had some of the best players in the world on his team when he won.
Ye but if u guys dont, then u should be saying Boaster is the goat. If u arent gonna say either, then ur just biased lmao.
catNmouse [#32]Two 8-11 comebacks vs DRX, 2-11 comeback vs EDG
8-11 😭😭😭
catNMouse. u gotta work on ur baiting skills cuz gng wtf
shrike- [#75]it doesn't mean alfajer or chronicle, i know that for sure
ur goat is ethan correct?
Xool_233 [#74]Ethan when prime demon1/Mada isn't carrying his ass 😴😴
Bonkar is carrying Ethan rn, but Ethan is getting all the credit
Sh0maa [#57]One is the best IGL ever. The other got carried by Brawk and Demon1
That's funny considering Boaster got carried by Alfa, Derke, Chron, and Leo
DBStudios [#61]An import who also holds a trophy + helped with the calling and one of the best rookies in 25...
crashies spent 2 years on NRG after winning and didn't accomplish anything until getting to Boaster's team
kajaak likely wouldn't have blossomed into the player we know him as now if he didn't have a good IGL to help him
shrike- [#85]more champs than boaster 😭
s0m has equal champs to Kiles and random chinese EDG players I can't name. Doesnt mean anything 😭😭😭
bro doesnt understand what the GOAT debate is and resorts to ragebaiting (it aint working 😭😭😭)
sentinelmain377 [#87]s0m has equal champs to Kiles and random chinese EDG players I can't name. Doesnt mean anything 😭😭😭
bro doesnt understand what the GOAT debate is and resorts to ragebaiting (it aint working 😭😭😭)
kiles has a better career than boaster 😭😭 and we call this guy the goat
neruduh [#25]acting like skuba mada and brawk are a bunch of bums, son im crine 😭💔
No but they are not at the levels of Leo, Derke, Alfajer and Chronicle. Individual wise and i am an NRG fan.
lejargon [#38]Both have Asian girlfriends
Both are Champions
Both IGL
Boaster is technically not a champion he’s a masters winner
Xool_233 [#74]Ethan when prime demon1/Mada isn't carrying his ass 😴😴
“prime mada”
shrike- [#40]in a similar fashion all of FNC’s trophies credits should go to leo and alfajer, boaster just got ultra carried to two trophies
If boaster had gone -30 and won tokyo I could've agreed he got carried by leo and alfa. As for lock/in his calling was one of the reason the comeback happened from 3-11 against loud. As a player ethan is far greater than boaster but igl he's still mid let him prove something without bonkar as coach then we can debate if he's greater than boaster as igl
macncheese [#23]i wiped lock/in from memory as anyone having a serious trophy conversation should do. but ok sure even count that, its still worth less than 2 champs. also grand final appearances dont mean shit, if anything boaster going -30 every grandfinal is why alfa isnt in the goat convo yet
Who is saying Alfa isn't in the goat convo
Dam1aN [#19]Boaster trophies core: Prime Leo, Prime Derke, MVP Alfajer and Flex goat Chronicle. Yeah I could have igl along with them, probably gets 1 trophy.
but purely as an IGL vs IGL boaster is better
ethan has a lot of success because he can focus on all the micro stuff while bonkar cooks up the macro plans
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