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most fluke tournament win?
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Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#6]Champions Berlin - everyone except cned fell off right after
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Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#6]Champions Berlin - everyone except cned fell off right after
At least it had so many teams unlike the first masters at current times
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#6]Champions Berlin - everyone except cned fell off right after
MVP: Cypher cam
Masters Tokyo
Tokyo had the most asterisks of all time because of VISA issues, something(pacific MVP) was not there, Demon1(future Champs MVP) didnt practice with the team and LOUD(americas champs) was dead with internal issues and bad infrastructure
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than all of LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
SleepingSnorlax [#3]T1 - 8 team masters in general first masters should be Mickey Mouse
AGREED I do think T1 did actually.play good valorant there but 8 team tourneys are both not fun to watch and much easier to win
Pototo [#9]did u even see the grandfinale? its was one the greatest matches to watch..
i agree many participants lost form after that but still...the tournament itself was insane to watch.....vitality T1 G2 all looked insane
the moment bangkok was done, they came back to their mid status
Lock In
Master Madrid
Master Bangkok
All 1st international event are fluke, every teams are still in adaptation process
DSBY [#15]the moment bangkok was done, they came back to their mid status
i agree about that....but that grandfinale was fire af
Pototo [#17]i agree about that....but that grandfinale was fire af
broski i don't care how the finale was, G2 shouldve destroyed them bro
but them mfs are cursed when it comes to getting a trophy thats outside of americas
DSBY [#18]broski i don't care how the finale was, G2 shouldve destroyed them bro
but them mfs are cursed when it comes to getting a trophy thats outside of americas
G2 shouldve destroyed them
based on what? T1 were not the same team from their opening match and everyone knew this series was going go be at minimum 4 maps
catNmouse [#19]G2 shouldve destroyed them
based on what? T1 were not the same team from their opening match and everyone knew this series was going go be at minimum 4 maps
ya...great match...both teams played amazing in my opinion
catNmouse [#19]G2 shouldve destroyed them
based on what? T1 were not the same team from their opening match and everyone knew this series was going go be at minimum 4 maps
based on what? their recent performance?
Based on what? the fact they had to fight against fucking DRX & TRACE????????? LIKE HELLO FIGHTING TRACE IS THE CHEAPEST TICKET TO GO TO TOP4?
DSBY [#22]based on what? their recent performance?
Based on what? the fact they had to fight against fucking DRX & TRACE????????? LIKE HELLO FIGHTING TRACE IS THE CHEAPEST TICKET TO GO TO TOP4?
G2 also fought trace and liquid who we can all agree were worse than DRX…
T1 players were playing insane in bangkok theres zero chance you thought that G2 shouldve clean swept them
catNmouse [#23]G2 also fought trace and liquid who we can all agree were worse than DRX…
T1 players were playing insane in bangkok theres zero chance you thought that G2 shouldve clean swept them
yeah and they kept destroying every team in americas since then?
unlike T1? who lost to DRX, RRQ, PRX....?
DSBY [#24]yeah and they kept destroying every team in americas since then?
unlike T1? who lost to DRX, RRQ, PRX....?
destroying americas at their lowest is not the accomplishment you think it is
catNmouse [#25]destroying americas at their lowest is not the accomplishment you think it is
and getting destroyed by almost every other team in pacific is?
glittering_yard [#13]Masters Tokyo
Tokyo had the most asterisks of all time because of VISA issues, something(pacific MVP) was not there, Demon1(future Champs MVP) didnt practice with the team and LOUD(americas champs) was dead with internal issues and bad infrastructure
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than all of LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
Lol so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse bahahahahaha and also even if something somehow got his visa I think They were still facing prime EG and Prime FNC which were difficult to beat
brams6661 [#12]Contenders - T1 Bangkok, TH EWC, maybe ACEND 2021
Wdym MAYBE?????
DSBY [#26]and getting destroyed by almost every other team in pacific is?
no, but winning an international trophy + making champions is better than sweeping regionals
catNmouse [#30]no, but winning an international trophy + making champions is better than sweeping regionals
yeah, the trophy is a fluke, and so will T1 in champions, GETTING DESTROYED IN GROUPS
TenzZek [#4]How?
Tbf there is the narrative that SEN didn't even qualify for stage playoffs after they won madrid
1One1 [#16]Lock In
Master Madrid
Master BangkokAll 1st international event are fluke, every teams are still in adaptation process
LOCKIN IS FLUKE?
i hope God give new brain.
Lockin was the most legit tournament.
The answer is acend
The difference between acend and the others that could be considered (T1, SEN, EDG, etc.) is that due to a cypher cam that was barely impacting the rounds, acend was gifted a free win that they already lost
SleepingSnorlax [#28]Lol so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse bahahahahaha and also even if something somehow got his visa I think They were still facing prime EG and Prime FNC which were difficult to beat
so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse
When did I say this? I said that the pacific MVP and future Champions Grand Finalist, something, was NOT there and that Demon1 (future World Champion and Champions MVP) didnt practice with his team EG. LOUD (Americas Champs) had internal problems. All of these combined makes Masters Flukyo a Mickey Mouse because all the strongest competition at the tournament was heavily nerfed
You also ignored this part:
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
People gonna say t1 but it's not them, it was ascend in champs 2021, gambit was supposed to win this one but all of them fell sick just one day before grand finals , thus it fucked them up and they still took it to ej last map but couldn't win , imagine if they didn't get sick, all of them were sick
brams6661 [#12]Contenders - T1 Bangkok, TH EWC, maybe ACEND 2021
acend win that the other two are meh fnc choked and G2 lost and T1 didn't have singular baiter on that team G2 had 4 with the guy entrying who can tp out and bait
its acend 21 no diff every other one is wrong T1 had zero baiters on that team g2 had 4 and a guy entrying who has a agent that can entry and tp out and bait thats why the kd's sucked for t1 simple
dimmed [#32]Tbf there is the narrative that SEN didn't even qualify for stage playoffs after they won madrid
then proceeded to get top 4 in champs, eliminating the last masters winners and runner ups again, also the team that was seen as the most likely winners.
dimmed [#32]Tbf there is the narrative that SEN didn't even qualify for stage playoffs after they won madrid
still made #4 in champs
glittering_yard [#13]Masters Tokyo
Tokyo had the most asterisks of all time because of VISA issues, something(pacific MVP) was not there, Demon1(future Champs MVP) didnt practice with the team and LOUD(americas champs) was dead with internal issues and bad infrastructure
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than all of LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
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ImTheKing [#45]flag and flair
But everything I wrote is objectively true
1One1 [#16]Lock In
Master Madrid
Master BangkokAll 1st international event are fluke, every teams are still in adaptation process
I don’t like that excuse, so the teams that adapted first get “punished” for being smarter? If you say 8 team tourney, sure
ardiisleftballsack [#48]prx 100%
Coming from s0n flair who flukes Madrid
dimmed [#34]yet when I say if TL had nAts from the start and got to practice with him at toronto then prx wouldn't have won toronto, I get called deluded
the difference is, PRX at Tokyo is playing with a streamer sub (which is a Gekko one trick) who only practice for 2 weeks with the PRX core. And TL subs is player from Tier 2 with probably the same time of practice.
The skill floor is already different
SleepingSnorlax [#3]T1 - 8 team masters in general first masters should be Mickey Mouse
You realize 8 team Masters means every team is good right?
Like imagine these 8 teams at a masters and look me dead in the eyes and say "yeah its a mickey mouse tournament"
FNC - TH - G2 - SEN/NRG - PRX - RRQ/GENG - BLG - EDG/XLG/DRG
pkkkk [#57]no way bro howw
best emea team didnt attend tourney because of visa issues and fnatic was nerfed because of visa too
masters bangkok finale is the craziest fluke ever
just like in football when u have 60% ball possession but u just lost the game in the end, thats just how it went in bangkok for G2
dimmed [#34]yet when I say if TL had nAts from the start and got to practice with him at toronto then prx wouldn't have won toronto, I get called deluded
It's objectively true, nAts with no jet lag would own prx, he'll show it in Paris.
SoobNaibot [#61]masters bangkok finale is the craziest fluke ever
just like in football when u have 60% ball possession but u just lost the game in the end, thats just how it went in bangkok for G2
Champions 21 was the biggest and only fluke in history, rest were deserved.
glittering_yard [#37]so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse
When did I say this? I said that the pacific MVP and future Champions Grand Finalist, something, was NOT there and that Demon1 (future World Champion and Champions MVP) didnt practice with his team EG. LOUD (Americas Champs) had internal problems. All of these combined makes Masters Flukyo a Mickey Mouse because all the strongest competition at the tournament was heavily nerfed
You also ignored this part:
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
'worse than loud' brother they threw a 3-11 against us, and all ur internal issues bs sounds like an issue on their part
glittering_yard [#37]so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse
When did I say this? I said that the pacific MVP and future Champions Grand Finalist, something, was NOT there and that Demon1 (future World Champion and Champions MVP) didnt practice with his team EG. LOUD (Americas Champs) had internal problems. All of these combined makes Masters Flukyo a Mickey Mouse because all the strongest competition at the tournament was heavily nerfed
You also ignored this part:
Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
and the only nerf here i see was something visa issue. AND if we're going down that path, if nats had been at toronto groups liquid wouldnt have lost to them and prx wouldnt have won toronto. So toronto is also a fluke?
CaxTonYT [#64]'worse than loud' brother they threw a 3-11 against us, and all ur internal issues bs sounds like an issue on their part
Notice how i wrote "Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1657/valorant-champions-2023/playoffs
The Lock-in event I didnt even mention the fact the both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back. Tuyz and cauanzin were rookies shitting their pants and Fnatic still almost lost to them, so you could call Fluke-in a Mickey Mouse too
nobodyknows [#58]EG champs 2023. They never won again after that fluke run.
Because they broke up. They peaked at the right time, just cuz they didn't find the same success individually dont mean their win was flukey. Also they got 2nd at masters too so it wasn't a one-off. They were a great team.
nobodyknows [#58]EG champs 2023. They never won again after that fluke run.
bro
t1 winning bankgkok is the biggest fluke ever and i dont care what anyone says
glittering_yard [#67]Notice how i wrote "Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1657/valorant-champions-2023/playoffsThe Lock-in event I didnt even mention the fact the both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back. Tuyz and cauanzin were rookies shitting their pants and Fnatic still almost lost to them, so you could call Fluke-in a Mickey Mouse too
“Fnatic fluked so hard they accidentally won both Masters back-to-back while LOUD ended trophyless.”
and btw after 2022 fnc also got 2 new players ( got rid of enzo and mistic, got leo and chron ) and won two trophies, back to back. So ur 'rookie' thing doesnt work here
irishsamingg [#71]t1 winning bankgkok is the biggest fluke ever and i dont care what anyone says
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CaxTonYT [#72]“Fnatic fluked so hard they accidentally won both Masters back-to-back while LOUD ended trophyless.”
and btw after 2022 fnc also got 2 new players ( got rid of enzo and mistic, got leo and chron ) and won two trophies, back to back. So ur 'rookie' thing doesnt work here
new players in a team are not rookies, Chronicle and Leo were already experienced tier 1 players + Fnatic had the most preparation out of every team at Lockin
Fnatic still has 0 Champions trophies as they couldnt win the trophy without playing against nerfed teams
Kriatzy [#59]You realize 8 team Masters means every team is good right?
Like imagine these 8 teams at a masters and look me dead in the eyes and say "yeah its a mickey mouse tournament"
FNC - TH - G2 - SEN/NRG - PRX - RRQ/GENG - BLG - EDG/XLG/DRG
12 team masters and 16 team champs where it really become more entertaining
glittering_yard [#67]Notice how i wrote "Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1657/valorant-champions-2023/playoffsThe Lock-in event I didnt even mention the fact the both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back. Tuyz and cauanzin were rookies shitting their pants and Fnatic still almost lost to them, so you could call Fluke-in a Mickey Mouse too
You will also fucking discredit mini them for helping prx for Toronto win dude
glittering_yard [#74]new players in a team are not rookies, Chronicle and Leo were already experienced tier 1 players + Fnatic had the most preparation out of every team at Lockin
Fnatic still has 0 Champions trophies as they couldnt win the trophy without playing against nerfed teams
WTF? do u hear yourself? fnc had the most prep. So thats why they won, why didnt loud have that 'prep' that ur saying
SleepingSnorlax [#76]You will also fucking discredit mini them for helping prx for Toronto win dude
why would I discredit mini for helping prx in Toronto? Im talking about Masters Tokyo and Lockin, and the conditions Fnatic's opponents were in, in comparison to the only time they didnt play against nerfed teams (Champions 2023)
CaxTonYT [#77]WTF? do u hear yourself? fnc had the most prep. So thats why they won, why didnt loud have that 'prep' that ur saying
both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back.
Can you read?
glittering_yard [#79]both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back.
Can you read?
If LOUD’s players were that sick and still made it all the way to finals, that just proves how good they were — and it makes Fnatic’s win even more impressive, not less. Every team deals with issues, but only one team walked away with the trophy. Excuses don’t change the scoreboard.
2023 EG. garbage players won off a miracle run and went right back to being garbage as soon as the following year started
CaxTonYT [#80]If LOUD’s players were that sick and still made it all the way to finals, that just proves how good they were — and it makes Fnatic’s win even more impressive, not less. Every team deals with issues, but only one team walked away with the trophy. Excuses don’t change the scoreboard.
The point is that if the LOUD players, for example, were in normal conditions, it would have impacted the final result of the tournament, thats why it was a "fluke". Just like If something was playing in Tokyo, it would also have impacted the final result of the tournament. PRX played with a content creator
Not Fnatic's fault but it still makes their victories less impressive
has to be ASCEND some players have fallen off after winning a trophy but these guys became the epitomy of trash after the trophy win except cNed and Starxo until last year + that ilegal cypher cam
nobodyknows [#58]EG champs 2023. They never won again after that fluke run.
They reached 2 finals in a row, can't be a fluke by definition.
DSBY [#31]yeah, the trophy is a fluke, and so will T1 in champions, GETTING DESTROYED IN GROUPS
lil bro say u dont like T1 anymore cuz how stax , BuZz and Autumn treated Sylvan sometimes
luhuigarten [#81]2023 EG. garbage players won off a miracle run and went right back to being garbage as soon as the following year started
Facts
nobodyknows [#88]Is it good?
yeah it's a great movie, and it's based off a real story
luhuigarten [#89]yeah it's a great movie, and it's based off a real story
nc thx. will check it out
most champs wins were flukes ngl I think LOUD is the only one that I wouldn't consider a fluke lol
z4kr9 [#85]lil bro say u dont like T1 anymore cuz how stax , BuZz and Autumn treated Sylvan sometimes
bro i couldn't care less about sylvan, the whole drama is a translation issue
nobodyknows [#58]EG champs 2023. They never won again after that fluke run.
one of the only definitive wrong choices
DSBY [#93]bro i couldn't care less about sylvan, the whole drama is a translation issue
ok so ur not one of those guys , but ur point is G2 played better than T1 yes micro wise G2 was way better than T1 but like T1 won the fights and stepped up at moments when it mattered the most . Like in no way that was a fluke . + you could even argue G2 got cocky in game a lot of times between rounds in voice comms they were saying bracelet , bracelet as if they won the game already as if it was just a matter of time that they would win the series .
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