most fluke tournament win?

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sh1lll

title & explain why

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everyone can agree its T1 in bangkok

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did u even see the grandfinale? its was one the greatest matches to watch..
i agree many participants lost form after that but still...the tournament itself was insane to watch.....vitality T1 G2 all looked insane

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the moment bangkok was done, they came back to their mid status

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i agree about that....but that grandfinale was fire af

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broski i don't care how the finale was, G2 shouldve destroyed them bro

but them mfs are cursed when it comes to getting a trophy thats outside of americas

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G2 shouldve destroyed them

based on what? T1 were not the same team from their opening match and everyone knew this series was going go be at minimum 4 maps

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ya...great match...both teams played amazing in my opinion

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DSBY

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based on what? their recent performance?
Based on what? the fact they had to fight against fucking DRX & TRACE????????? LIKE HELLO FIGHTING TRACE IS THE CHEAPEST TICKET TO GO TO TOP4?

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G2 also fought trace and liquid who we can all agree were worse than DRX…

T1 players were playing insane in bangkok theres zero chance you thought that G2 shouldve clean swept them

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DSBY

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yeah and they kept destroying every team in americas since then?

unlike T1? who lost to DRX, RRQ, PRX....?

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catNmouse

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destroying americas at their lowest is not the accomplishment you think it is

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Madrid

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How?

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dimmed

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Tbf there is the narrative that SEN didn't even qualify for stage playoffs after they won madrid

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JesusisLord

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then proceeded to get top 4 in champs, eliminating the last masters winners and runner ups again, also the team that was seen as the most likely winners.

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still made #4 in champs

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T1 - 8 team masters in general first masters should be Mickey Mouse

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AGREED I do think T1 did actually.play good valorant there but 8 team tourneys are both not fun to watch and much easier to win

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You realize 8 team Masters means every team is good right?
Like imagine these 8 teams at a masters and look me dead in the eyes and say "yeah its a mickey mouse tournament"
FNC - TH - G2 - SEN/NRG - PRX - RRQ/GENG - BLG - EDG/XLG/DRG

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12 team masters and 16 team champs where it really become more entertaining

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T0

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Champions Berlin - everyone except cned fell off right after

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name & flair

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Flair

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fLaIR

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At least it had so many teams unlike the first masters at current times

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MVP: Cypher cam

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Acend - Cypher Cam

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Contenders - T1 Bangkok, TH EWC, maybe ACEND 2021

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Wdym MAYBE?????

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acend win that the other two are meh fnc choked and G2 lost and T1 didn't have singular baiter on that team G2 had 4 with the guy entrying who can tp out and bait

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Masters Tokyo

Tokyo had the most asterisks of all time because of VISA issues, something(pacific MVP) was not there, Demon1(future Champs MVP) didnt practice with the team and LOUD(americas champs) was dead with internal issues and bad infrastructure

Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than all of LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG

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Lol so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse bahahahahaha and also even if something somehow got his visa I think They were still facing prime EG and Prime FNC which were difficult to beat

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so you are saying because loud exited first so Tokyo became Mickey Mouse

When did I say this? I said that the pacific MVP and future Champions Grand Finalist, something, was NOT there and that Demon1 (future World Champion and Champions MVP) didnt practice with his team EG. LOUD (Americas Champs) had internal problems. All of these combined makes Masters Flukyo a Mickey Mouse because all the strongest competition at the tournament was heavily nerfed

You also ignored this part:

Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG

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CaxTonYT

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'worse than loud' brother they threw a 3-11 against us, and all ur internal issues bs sounds like an issue on their part

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glittering_yard

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Notice how i wrote "Champions 2023 proves the fluke, as Fnatic was worse than LOUD(still with internal problems), PRX and EG

https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1657/valorant-champions-2023/playoffs

The Lock-in event I didnt even mention the fact the both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back. Tuyz and cauanzin were rookies shitting their pants and Fnatic still almost lost to them, so you could call Fluke-in a Mickey Mouse too

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CaxTonYT

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“Fnatic fluked so hard they accidentally won both Masters back-to-back while LOUD ended trophyless.”
and btw after 2022 fnc also got 2 new players ( got rid of enzo and mistic, got leo and chron ) and won two trophies, back to back. So ur 'rookie' thing doesnt work here

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new players in a team are not rookies, Chronicle and Leo were already experienced tier 1 players + Fnatic had the most preparation out of every team at Lockin

Fnatic still has 0 Champions trophies as they couldnt win the trophy without playing against nerfed teams

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CaxTonYT

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WTF? do u hear yourself? fnc had the most prep. So thats why they won, why didnt loud have that 'prep' that ur saying

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glittering_yard

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both LOUD's star players (aspas and Less) were under serious health problems, Less had to take serums after every map to not pass out and had to go straight to the hospital after the games. Aspas was also sick and had physiotherapy sessions after every game for his arms and back.

Can you read?

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If LOUD’s players were that sick and still made it all the way to finals, that just proves how good they were — and it makes Fnatic’s win even more impressive, not less. Every team deals with issues, but only one team walked away with the trophy. Excuses don’t change the scoreboard.

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You will also fucking discredit mini them for helping prx for Toronto win dude

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glittering_yard

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why would I discredit mini for helping prx in Toronto? Im talking about Masters Tokyo and Lockin, and the conditions Fnatic's opponents were in, in comparison to the only time they didnt play against nerfed teams (Champions 2023)

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and the only nerf here i see was something visa issue. AND if we're going down that path, if nats had been at toronto groups liquid wouldnt have lost to them and prx wouldnt have won toronto. So toronto is also a fluke?

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flag and flair

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glittering_yard

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But everything I wrote is objectively true

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Lock In
Master Madrid
Master Bangkok

All 1st international event are fluke, every teams are still in adaptation process

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DeathEzer

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LOCKIN IS FLUKE?
i hope God give new brain.
Lockin was the most legit tournament.

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I don’t like that excuse, so the teams that adapted first get “punished” for being smarter? If you say 8 team tourney, sure

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Lock In and Tokyo

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pztzy

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Tokyo for sure, if something was playing fnatic would get destroyed just like 2022

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yet when I say if TL had nAts from the start and got to practice with him at toronto then prx wouldn't have won toronto, I get called deluded

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pztzy

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lulquid kekw

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the difference is, PRX at Tokyo is playing with a streamer sub (which is a Gekko one trick) who only practice for 2 weeks with the PRX core. And TL subs is player from Tier 2 with probably the same time of practice.

The skill floor is already different

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It's objectively true, nAts with no jet lag would own prx, he'll show it in Paris.

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lock in
loud shoulda won

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they needed to lock in tho

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The answer is acend

The difference between acend and the others that could be considered (T1, SEN, EDG, etc.) is that due to a cypher cam that was barely impacting the rounds, acend was gifted a free win that they already lost

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People gonna say t1 but it's not them, it was ascend in champs 2021, gambit was supposed to win this one but all of them fell sick just one day before grand finals , thus it fucked them up and they still took it to ej last map but couldn't win , imagine if they didn't get sick, all of them were sick

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T1 and Acend

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jixk

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its acend 21 no diff every other one is wrong T1 had zero baiters on that team g2 had 4 and a guy entrying who has a agent that can entry and tp out and bait thats why the kd's sucked for t1 simple

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2g winning ascension, they weren’t even Brazils best

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iceland and madrid

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pkkkk

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which iceland

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2022

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pkkkk

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no way bro howw

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Kirya

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best emea team didnt attend tourney because of visa issues and fnatic was nerfed because of visa too

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prx 100%

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Coming from s0n flair who flukes Madrid

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SudokuDude

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No fluke tourney at all. Either you are good or not. 🤷🏿‍♂️

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pkkkk

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w

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anyone that won a tournament pre 2022

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nobodyknows

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EG champs 2023. They never won again after that fluke run.

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Because they broke up. They peaked at the right time, just cuz they didn't find the same success individually dont mean their win was flukey. Also they got 2nd at masters too so it wasn't a one-off. They were a great team.

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bro

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Itsover

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They reached 2 finals in a row, can't be a fluke by definition.

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one of the only definitive wrong choices

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masters bangkok finale is the craziest fluke ever

just like in football when u have 60% ball possession but u just lost the game in the end, thats just how it went in bangkok for G2

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Champions 21 was the biggest and only fluke in history, rest were deserved.

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CaxTonYT

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no win is a fluke. NO win i say, is a fluke

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sh1lll

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this is crazy

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t1 winning bankgkok is the biggest fluke ever and i dont care what anyone says

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RT

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2023 EG. garbage players won off a miracle run and went right back to being garbage as soon as the following year started

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Facts

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2004 movie by Hirokazu Kore-eda

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nobodyknows

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Is it good?

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luhuigarten

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yeah it's a great movie, and it's based off a real story

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nc thx. will check it out

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has to be ASCEND some players have fallen off after winning a trophy but these guys became the epitomy of trash after the trophy win except cNed and Starxo until last year + that ilegal cypher cam

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most champs wins were flukes ngl I think LOUD is the only one that I wouldn't consider a fluke lol

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mickeyronto for sure.

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bangkok lockin