https://x.com/florscnt/status/1923797866344075396
there's hope she isn't a terrible person
Flor response
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lets fucking hope so
why are people downvoting me? i dont want a person to be a rapist
pr response but honestly it’s better than nothing
to be honest i expected her to just fully delete her account so it’s already a step forwards
something surely happened on one side, otherwise she wouldn't have answered like that, we'll see how this goes
Ronyko23 [#4]PR response lol.
that is the best possible response so it makes sense
termtermtermterm [#7]that is the best possible response so it makes sense
nope. I'm cursing accuser if i'm 100% innocent.Nothing to fear if i'm innocent.
shrike- [#5]pr response but honestly it’s better than nothing
to be honest i expected her to just fully delete her account so it’s already a step forwards
deleting account woulda been self report if its true.
Ronyko23 [#8]nope. I'm cursing accuser if i'm 100% innocent.Nothing to fear if i'm innocent.
irrational emotional and would attract more hate. use brain pls
yxpala [#6]something surely happened on one side, otherwise she wouldn't have answered like that, we'll see how this goes
It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
Ronyko23 [#4]PR response lol.
any response is a PR response no? it's more damning to say nothing, so she might as well say something.
notallwhowander [#10]irrational emotional and would attract more hate. use brain pls
Not really. Damage is done. its classic lawyer statement.
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
True but denying it and saying the wrong things could end your career even if you aren't lying we'll have to wait and see
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
and then you’re going to get flak for not taking it seriously and people will think you think SA is some kind of a joke
she said she didn’t do it, and this is the best response you can give even if you did or didn’t because anything else just makes shit worse
Ronyko23 [#13]Not really. Damage is done. its classic lawyer statement.
a good lawyer statement at that like what are you saying
Ronyko23 [#13]Not really. Damage is done. its classic lawyer statement.
any other statement than this would ring negatively.
I wish I could release evidence now but I've been advised not to
There's the personal remark u're looking for. 8/10 response. I like it.
termtermtermterm [#17]a good lawyer statement at that like what are you saying
i was expecting defamation lawsuit. But we know why it isn't.
I hate when people do this “I have evidence, but I can’t share it for whatever reason” line.
If you have evidence that 100% exonerates you, you should share it. It’s not going to make any difference in future litigation anyway.
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
having a lawyer is the best thing you can do legally even when u are innocent
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
even if it's not true and you know it isn't you would probably want to sue for defamation. PR response is always correct even if you didn't do it cuz either way someone could be in legal trouble.
also cuz shooting yourself in the foot is just dumb and you want to avoid that all costs especially if you're innocent.
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
You can't just say "I didn't do it" and end this allegation bro. Its serious very serious its wise to lawyer up. You need someone to collect the proof and present in a well mannered way.
Ronyko23 [#19]i was expecting defamation lawsuit. But we know why it isn't.
she does not have legal assistance yet. Read the tweet
Bigfish [#21]having a lawyer is the best thing you can do legally even when u are innocent
Depends on the accusation.
"This person sexually assaulted me!"
Response:
"I'm going to lawyer up and decide what is safe for me to share"
vs
"This person is completely lying and I'm going to press charges for false accusations and defamation".
notallwhowander [#18]any other statement than this would ring negatively.
I wish I could release evidence now but I've been advised not to
There's the personal remark u're looking for. 8/10 response. I like it.
theres literally nothing to like in this response. generic ai / lawyer generated response
guest17525 [#11]It's for sure strange.
She's going to lawyer up and deal with this legally to avoid saying the wrong things? That sounds like she did something. Innocent people have nothing to hide. If a girl accused me of SA right now I'd laugh and deny it at the top of my voice because I know I've never done that.
That’s generally not true.
It’s fine to share facts, things that will show up in discovery, pre-trial. Things like DMs (assuming they’re not doctored).
I generally advise not giving any testimony or recounting of events without having it vetted by an attorney. Opposing counsel with often try to twist your words, and if you’re not careful with specific wording, they might lead a jury to read something that didn’t happen into your words.
guest17525 [#26]Depends on the accusation.
"This person sexually assaulted me!"
Response:
"I'm going to lawyer up and decide what is safe for me to share"
vs
"This person is completely lying and I'm going to press charges for false accusations and defamation".
Boxing yourself into a corner in legal proceedings, regardless of whether you know you're innocent or not, is just a terrible move.
29Cloud [#2]lets fucking hope so
why are people downvoting me? i dont want a person to be a rapist
damage control and stalling response
rape allegations arent easy to prove, most rapists get away with it, even if true how tf r u gonna prove it without videotape
lawyer will try to argue for the gray areas and the victim will have to use a lot of circumstantial to prove her case
lolapola [#27]theres literally nothing to like in this response. generic ai / lawyer generated response
she doesn't even have a lawyer yet. Are any of u reading the tweet
notallwhowander [#24]she does not have legal assistance yet. Read the tweet
crazy how you’re getting downvoted for the truth
vlr is actually so emotional and drama hungry that they’re willing to think this is gonna go down like some court movie
notallwhowander [#31]she doesn't even have a lawyer yet. Are any of u reading the tweet
yeah bro my daddy says abcd i will believe abcd.. do u believe as much in the concept god or nah?
this is exactly what I'm saying bro that document legit had no actual proof in it and people instantly accepted it as true like cmon bro everything is so easily fakeable nowadays
shrike- [#33]crazy how you’re getting downvoted for the truth
vlr is actually so emotional and drama hungry that they’re willing to think this is gonna go down like some court movie
I honestly shouldn't even be invested in this as I am tbh. I just hate the internet mob with a passion.
guest17525 [#26]Depends on the accusation.
"This person sexually assaulted me!"
Response:
"I'm going to lawyer up and decide what is safe for me to share"
vs
"This person is completely lying and I'm going to press charges for false accusations and defamation".
are you pressing charges without a lawyer bro
Kalina [#20]I hate when people do this “I have evidence, but I can’t share it for whatever reason” line.
If you have evidence that 100% exonerates you, you should share it. It’s not going to make any difference in future litigation anyway.
how would she have evidence that 100% exonerates her?
notallwhowander [#36]I honestly shouldn't even be invested in this as I am tbh. I just hate the internet mob with a passion.
You're not alone there, at least, if it's any comfort.
29Cloud [#2]lets fucking hope so
why are people downvoting me? i dont want a person to be a rapist
whys this getting downvoted? are people hoping she is a terrible person and hoping brick got SAed?
ggd12345 [#37]are you pressing charges without a lawyer bro
I should've rephrased what I meant. Getting a lawyer is the correct thing to do, her initial response is just wishy-washy.
She says she strongly denies accusations of SA. What does that actually mean? She might just not believe what happened was SA. The question is did that stuff happen tho? At which point, it doesn't matter what she thinks it was. It's a very safe answer, yeah, but it also makes it a bit suspect.
I don't know. We aren't going to get clear answers until either side actually gives evidence anyways.
ggd12345 [#40]whys this getting downvoted? are people hoping she is a terrible person and hoping brick got SAed?
welcome to VLR
Kalina [#20]I hate when people do this “I have evidence, but I can’t share it for whatever reason” line.
If you have evidence that 100% exonerates you, you should share it. It’s not going to make any difference in future litigation anyway.
I don't disagree but it's not like the accuser didn't basically imply the same.
It's still kinda important to be careful cuz people interpret shit wrong and run away with it regardless, look what happened with the scrim sharing drama after frost no fist bump, people just hallucinated shit from nothing. Always pays to be careful.
guest17525 [#42]I should've rephrased what I meant. Getting a lawyer is the correct thing to do, her initial response is just wishy-washy.
She says she strongly denies accusations of SA. What does that actually mean? She might just not believe what happened was SA. The question is did that stuff happen tho? At which point, it doesn't matter what she thinks it was. It's a very safe answer, yeah, but it also makes it a bit suspect.
I don't know. We aren't going to get clear answers until either side actually gives evidence anyways.
agreed, unfortunately this isn't a case where either side can 100% prove guilt/innocence, so legally flor's response is the best possible. certainly not the best for public image though
ggd12345 [#38]how would she have evidence that 100% exonerates her?
Security camera. GPS data says she wasn’t home at the night in question, etc…
There’s many things that could be examples. The likely case is that she has evidence that at best calls into question whether or not there was an expectation of sex when the girl came to Flor’s house. (Would be my guess at least) which, while it doesn’t necessarily preclude a finding of sexual assault, it would be pretty strong evidence
ggd12345 [#40]whys this getting downvoted? are people hoping she is a terrible person and hoping brick got SAed?
welcome to VLR indeed. If shit makes sense, it ain't vlr.
flnnss [#35]this is exactly what I'm saying bro that document legit had no actual proof in it and people instantly accepted it as true like cmon bro everything is so easily fakeable nowadays
keep crying, stop defending that criminal have some shame
Kalina [#46]Security camera. GPS data says she wasn’t home at the night in question, etc…
There’s many things that could be examples. The likely case is that she has evidence that at best calls into question whether or not there was an expectation of sex when the girl came to Flor’s house. (Would be my guess at least) which, while it doesn’t necessarily preclude a finding of sexual assault, it would be pretty strong evidence
The allegations claim they were together and had consensual sex at first, so I'm assuming this much is true. What happened from then onward is very difficult to prove or disprove, and none of your examples apply
Effluxi [#44]I don't disagree but it's not like the accuser didn't basically imply the same.
It's still kinda important to be careful cuz people interpret shit wrong and run away with it regardless, look what happened with the scrim sharing drama after frost no fist bump, people just hallucinated shit from nothing. Always pays to be careful.
The accuser provided a timeline of events, and claims that can be proven/disproven. Flor has stated that it didnt happen, she has evidence that it didnt happen, but doesn’t want to share it for”safety reasons”.
This doesn’t mean that what the accuser has said are facts, they’re still only allegations, but I don’t really see them as the same.
Edit: to be precise, Flor doesn’t claim sex didn’t happen, but that she has evidence that it was consensual
ggd12345 [#49]The allegations claim they were together and had consensual sex at first, so I'm assuming this much is true. What happened from then onward is very difficult to prove or disprove, and none of your examples apply
not really consensual if the victim got mentally abused for giving the consent
While it is tragic that the first trans player to cross into vct proper is like this I hope it doesn't lead to people being even more transphobic.
I'm of the opinion that we should pretty much believe these victims because what exactly does flor even have to lose she already retired its not like this victim is taking them down at the heigh of their popularity (top GC runs)
Kalina [#50]The accuser provided a timeline of events, and claims that can be proven/disproven. Flor has stated that it didnt happen, she has evidence that it didnt happen, but doesn’t want to share it for”safety reasons”.
This doesn’t mean that what the accuser has said are facts, they’re still only allegations, but I don’t really see them as the same.
Edit: to be precise, Flor doesn’t claim sex didn’t happen, but that she has evidence that it was consensual
Yoo! That's a good point, the fact the accuser gave a date means evidence around that specific day is huge. She also talked about calling her mother and taking an uber.
All of these events will have receipts or some type of witness, if not at least picked up by nearby cameras and GPS tracking. It won't mean SA took place but it means the accuser can be proven (or disproven) to have visited Flor that day. Anything else comes down to word of mouth.
What strikes me is Flor didn't deny the events, just that it was SA. This is very PR but like people are saying, it might be the best answer a person can give if they aren't 100% clean.
Drakath [#48]keep crying, stop defending that criminal have some shame
not even defending them I just wanna hear both sides of the story
guest17525 [#26]Depends on the accusation.
"This person sexually assaulted me!"
Response:
"I'm going to lawyer up and decide what is safe for me to share"
vs
"This person is completely lying and I'm going to press charges for false accusations and defamation".
Then you are going to face charges for slander because she wasn't "completely" lying. Maybe she didn't get SA'ed, but she did took the uber home that day? Sounds ridiculous but a good prosecutor can use your initial response to muddy the details and take the case absolutely nowhere. "Your honor, my client might have been lying, but the offender's response hurt her feelings and led to trauma!". I've seen this happen in court so many times. Its a little gross but it can happen, so its better to play safe and issue out the "legally correct" response. Hope this helps
I think there is a chance of her not being a Rapist, of her not being a terrible person however with this seems harder to believe https://x.com/Miho45TangTang/status/1923743358897328373 Unless it's fake ofc
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