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Heretics as a franchised org

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#1
Itsover

Can this failure of an org finally get relegated from franchise? They sign bots, have no legacy in any discipline and no fans outside of Spain, add Virtus.Pro
or Spirit to franchise and they will make a top 3 team itw easily.

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Fut is a top 3 emea team and They have a completely new roster calm down

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They are giving chance to new talent
If virtus or spirit come they will do the same .... It's a gamble , and also the org is good and it's first map new roster
I'll bomb u

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What? There's nothing wrong with Heretics team building this year. They got great signings. First game with little practise, young team, against a team that has good core + cNed who is top tier Jett.

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patuj [#4]

What? There's nothing wrong with Heretics team building this year. They got great signings. First game with little practise, young team, against a team that has good core + cNed who is top tier Jett.

Oh wow, last year also was a new team,we should give them time to place top 10 EMEA and not qualify anywhere again.

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Itsover [#5]

Oh wow, last year also was a new team,we should give them time to place top 10 EMEA and not qualify anywhere again.

Holy new level of brain rot

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USCK [#2]

Fut is a top 3 emea team and They have a completely new roster calm down

so does FUT

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alecksdesk
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hard to find talent within such a dreadful talentless region but i respect the try

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brobeans
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brobeans [#7]

so does FUT

but I agree. Heretics did decent last year. not every team can win

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Itsover
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cholikarr [#3]

They are giving chance to new talent
If virtus or spirit come they will do the same .... It's a gamble , and also the org is good and it's first map new roster
I'll bomb u

Virtus pro would sign all the cis talent like nAts/Suygetsu kr1stal chronicle something/demon1 and sheydos/shao, they won't sign bots.

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Itsover
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alecksdesk [#8]

hard to find talent within such a dreadful talentless region but i respect the try

CIS is the best region on valorant by far, but there's no CIS representation in franchise, in every EMEA team cis players have to carry eu bots.

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Akukko
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brobeans [#7]

so does FUT

Fut legit upgraded from last year

  • cNed is very experienced so it makes adaptations so much easier compared to 3 new youngsters
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Itsover [#5]

Oh wow, last year also was a new team,we should give them time to place top 10 EMEA and not qualify anywhere again.

I hated their team building last year. Difference is that they are actually signing young talent with big potential this time around.

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bro is delulu

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Itsover
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patuj [#13]

I hated their team building last year. Difference is that they are actually signing young talent with big potential this time around.

Minib0t is for sure a young talent with 0.84 rating in ascension, gets a franchised slot instead of players like b1sk izzy or sociablee

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Hmmm, it seems to me that MiniBoo was hired as a duelist most likely because he is a blood relative of Boo. And he never did well at EMEA Ascension.

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Valgod
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brobeans [#7]

so does FUT

Sentinel and duelist are the easiest roles to replace

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Jdang_SG
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I remembered that generally ppl from turkey love ascent and are good at it. Am I wrong? So fut was destined to win from the start.

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xou6s
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are the virtus.pro fans outside russia here in the room with us?

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Itsover [#10]

Virtus pro would sign all the cis talent like nAts/Suygetsu kr1stal chronicle something/demon1 and sheydos/shao, they won't sign bots.

And why would all those players leave their team and join virtus ?

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Itsover [#15]

Minib0t is for sure a young talent with 0.84 rating in ascension, gets a franchised slot instead of players like b1sk izzy or sociablee

MiniBoo had weak Ascension performance, but outside of that he has been performing well for most part

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brobeans [#7]

so does FUT

No they don't tho

#23
Itsover
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cholikarr [#20]

And why would all those players leave their team and join virtus ?

To speak their mothertongue obviously, also not having to carry bots from their previous teams a nice bonus. VP have more money than most orgs anyway so salary is a factor too.

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xou6s [#19]

are the virtus.pro fans outside russia here in the room with us?

me

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Itsover
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xou6s [#19]

are the virtus.pro fans outside russia here in the room with us?

There are Spirit as well with way bigger esports legacy than Heretics will ever achieve.

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Flair

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Itsover
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Alexziin [#26]

Flair

Best team to ever exist in Valorant, what's wrong with the flair?

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Itsover [#25]

There are Spirit as well with way bigger esports legacy than Heretics will ever achieve.

Never bro

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xou6s
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Itsover [#25]

There are Spirit as well with way bigger esports legacy than Heretics will ever achieve.

if you mean 5 likes per twitter post, then yeah

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Itsover
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xou6s [#29]

if you mean 5 likes per twitter post, then yeah

If you mean 400k USD in 5 years in all disciplines combined then yeah

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Itsover [#30]

If you mean 400k USD in 5 years in all disciplines combined then yeah

they are not relevant since 2017, just let it go brother

#32
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brobeans [#9]

but I agree. Heretics did decent last year. not every team can win

Heretics was completely shit last year. Not decent

#33
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I agree. Big died for this

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MneMaloMaloMaloTebya
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Itsover [#10]

Virtus pro would sign all the cis talent like nAts/Suygetsu kr1stal chronicle something/demon1 and sheydos/shao, they won't sign bots.

если бы они пришли в лигу, мы бы выиграли всё 😅 это несправедливо

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Itsover
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xou6s [#31]

they are not relevant since 2017, just let it go brother

VP won a cs major recently, spirit won a 15 mil DotA tournament and are about to win their second ti. Better than anything Heretics will ever achieve

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Itsover [#27]

Best team to ever exist in Valorant, what's wrong with the flair?

the best team wouldve won two internationals in a row

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Liem [#32]

Heretics was completely shit last year. Not decent

true. franchising is rough

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Itsover
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yoccuu [#36]

the best team wouldve won two internationals in a row

D3ffo got a brainlag at 12-11 2-1 championship point, shit happens.

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Itsover [#30]

If you mean 400k USD in 5 years in all disciplines combined then yeah

You realize TH just bought a 30M dollar LEC spot last year right

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Itsover
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Mortadelo [#39]

You realize TH just bought a 30M dollar LEC spot last year right

Wow bro, too bad they can't buy titles.

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catmeister
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Remember how FUT was absolute crap in the off-season last year and made it to both Tokyo and Los Angeles with the same team in VCT

Stop evaluating teams based on their off-season performances. Teams with new players need time.

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Itsover [#40]

Wow bro, too bad they can't buy titles.

Stick to have cgrs my Russian friend

#43
Itsover
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_angelmrm_ [#42]

Stick to have cgrs my Russian friend

Stick to taking siesta during elimination VCC games, my Brazilian friend.

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USCK [#2]

Fut is a top 3 emea team and They have a completely new roster calm down

Top 3?????? You mean Top 5

#45
YeaUrMum
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patuj [#21]

MiniBoo had weak Ascension performance, but outside of that he has been performing well for most part

What's there outside of ascension 💀

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patuj
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YeaUrMum [#45]

What's there outside of ascension 💀

Regional leagues? Ofc the competition isn't as high, but performing well in those definitely shows you have potential. Constantly being top player and MVP in league like Spain is promising.

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danii1
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brobeans [#37]

true. franchising is rough

LMAO

#48
sexocum
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brobeans [#7]

so does FUT

they have a new roster but with superior players with previous tier 1 experience, wo0t, miniboo and riens are tier two players

#49
Holistical_Nil
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if you guys did this then EMEA would only have 3/4 teams in franchising lol

#50
widepeepofrosty
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i wholeheartedly agree, cis carries eu's ass and forever will

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Itsover [#23]

To speak their mothertongue obviously, also not having to carry bots from their previous teams a nice bonus. VP have more money than most orgs anyway so salary is a factor too.

Falcons and BetBoom also have insane cash. They could get these 5 (-Chronichel cause he isnt leaving fnc) easily.

#52
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Bro's clearly still salty about this https://www.vlr.gg/30063/gydom-galva-vs-gambit-esports-dreamhack-beyond-europe-lr7

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Itsover
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Mortadelo [#52]

Bro's clearly still salty about this https://www.vlr.gg/30063/gydom-galva-vs-gambit-esports-dreamhack-beyond-europe-lr7

Mickey mouse tournament where Gambit clearly didn't care.

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Itsover
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Lecadi [#44]

Top 3?????? You mean Top 5

They are easily top 3 if not top 2.

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Itsover [#53]

Mickey mouse tournament where Gambit clearly didn't care.

Even if they weren't trying they went on to win masters 3 3 months later, that was prime GMB getting clapped by a 15 year old

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yoccuu [#36]

the best team wouldve won two internationals in a row

well they were the best pre-franchising team then cuz they were close to winning back to back titles

#57
Er3ngenes1s
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Alexziin [#26]

Flair

dont focus on fokus 🗿

#58
Er3ngenes1s
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Mortadelo [#55]

Even if they weren't trying they went on to win masters 3 3 months later, that was prime GMB getting clapped by a 15 year old

the best teams in the world sometimes do have bad games bozo. let this be embedded in ur brain

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Itsover [#54]

They are easily top 3 if not top 2.

thats because the level of competition in EMEA is awful outside of Fnatic.

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Itsover [#11]

CIS is the best region on valorant by far, but there's no CIS representation in franchise, in every EMEA team cis players have to carry eu bots.

i mean there is kind of a war over there...

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Mortadelo
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Er3ngenes1s [#58]

the best teams in the world sometimes do have bad games bozo. let this be embedded in ur brain

And means the other guys didn't play well? Does that take the credit away?

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Mortadelo [#61]

And means the other guys didn't play well? Does that take the credit away?

Nobody is saying that they didnt play well, it's just gambit is one of the best teams in history of valorant and losses like that doesnt mean that they arent good

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Er3ngenes1s [#62]

Nobody is saying that they didnt play well, it's just gambit is one of the best teams in history of valorant and losses like that doesnt mean that they arent good

So you think by pulling a random bo1 game stats I'm implying GMB is not good?
Bro I'm trynna tell this dude he's clueless if he thinks TH's rosters doesn't have an insane potential, this is not about GMB

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Er3ngenes1s
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Mortadelo [#63]

So you think by pulling a random bo1 game stats I'm implying GMB is not good?
Bro I'm trynna tell this dude he's clueless if he thinks TH's rosters doesn't have an insane potential, this is not about GMB

ok sorry my bad. i thought of it the other way 👍

#65
-Artorias
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keener1600 [#59]

thats because the level of competition in EMEA is awful outside of Fnatic.

exactly

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Mortadelo
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Er3ngenes1s [#64]

ok sorry my bad. i thought of it the other way 👍

All good then

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Kirya
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xSlqme [#60]

i mean there is kind of a war over there...

wow bro it matters so much
politics and esports are surely related!

#68
xou6s
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BUMP!!!!!!

#69
Ryukzerr
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Bro went looking for this smh

#70
TriQo
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bump

#71
spykje
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nt

#72
Itsover
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spykje [#71]

nt

now i think we should kick botvi tbh, but anyway Spirit and VP to franchise

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Mortadelo [#66]

All good then

Mortadelo how do you have so many posts

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