leaf or zekken

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michaelisupset

who do yall think is better?
i honestly think they are pretty similar. both mechanically in how versatile they are

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leaf>>

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why r they downvoting you, your right

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True

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Mechanically? zekken owns 1leaf in that department
Both players are very versatile as they have proven they can perform on any role they are put on

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its the opposite

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Demon 1 clears both

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maybe but we arent talking about him

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zekken. Leaf is a choker

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zekken is better rn but part of that has to do with the meta. Since Raze is the best duelist rn zekken clears leaf, but in a Jett meta leaf is better.

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never really got to see zekken to play that much on jett so you cant say that, but in terms of the agents they have shared together zekken stats are better then leafs

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zekken is good on Jett from what I've seen, but leaf has an insane Jett, that's all I'm saying.

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Leaf for sure

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Both are very good, but zekken doesn't choke like leaf when it comes to big games. Leaf always farms in league play but always chokes in playoffs, not just this year but every year. Zekken on the other hand played well in lcq, and was insane last year on xset too.

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I choose Zekken but I want to see leaf in a different system then C9.

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rather have leaf as a teammate but zekken seems more clutch

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Leaf a smarter player. Zekken more agressive. Both better than Yay in Bleed for sure.

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shut the fuck up

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mechanically zekken is a bit better but leaf is a smart player also both of them are very flexible. zekken is a better raze and sova but leaf is better at every other agent

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zekken more consistent and has wider agent pool. Both have high ceilings tho

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leaf is a choker

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LouBag

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They are both teenagers and should have a long and great career.

I would say Zekken has a higher ceiling and leaf is more polished.

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I would prolly said Zekken is better at the moment, BUT we need to see Leaf outside of C9, that would determine wheter Leaf is the choker, or Cloud9 is.

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both pretty similar. both basically play every agent. both cant op. both r good at rifle. leaf has the better jett. zekken better raze.

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Zekken has more potential and is more consistent but Leaf has higher highs and is the better player as of right now

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Vegaaa

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Zekken better in every way esp agent pool. Literally better init and way better duelist

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https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5

fr bro so true

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michaelisupset

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cherry picking https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf

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made an account just to say this but how can u compare a match where C9 won, zekken played duelist all 3 maps and leaf played 3 different roles and say its cherry picking

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michaelisupset

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because they played two matches this year and he chose the one where zekken did bad to show how he thinks leaf is better.

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Danny

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Leaf has outperformed Zekken every single time they've played. If anything YOU'RE cherrypicking the only time Zekken went +1 rating

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michaelisupset

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i just showed the only other game they played against each other this year, i wasnt looking at anything before this year

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Danny

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OK, Leaf still outperformed him

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michaelisupset

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and zekken still outperformed during the entire lcq

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Danny

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https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf

Remind me which team+player won this game for 3rd place?

continue thread →

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Danny

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https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf/?game=all&tab=performance

Leaf won and beat him in the head 2 head

also it's not just cherrypicking, let's look at every single game Zekken has played vs leaf

https://www.vlr.gg/77797/xset-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-north-america-stage-1-challengers-lr3

Zekken 0.87 rating, Leaf 1.26 rating

https://www.vlr.gg/70059/xset-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-north-america-stage-1-challengers-w2

Zekken 0.99 rating, Leaf 1.15 rating

https://www.vlr.gg/43776/cloud9-blue-vs-xset-champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier-lr3

Zekken 0.83 rating, Leaf 1.16 rating

How are you going to call cherry picking when he's genuinely never outperformed leaf in a head to head??

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How are you gonna compare the two by KD when C9 beat sentinels badly. Zekken is the better player on a worse team. Thats it. Leaf doesnt even play raze.

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Danny

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Zekken is the worse player on a worse team

Leaf can play raze, the roles just work out better with Xeppaa on raze

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LouBag

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I can tell you are new to Valorant.

Leaf used to be known as the “rifler that doesn’t op” he was best known for his raze.

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Danny

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2023 account☠️

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then why did xeppa play raze, lol. leaf is way above xeppa and its not like leaf needed to play init

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leaf has a better agent pool but he's a choker

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leaf is better rn on peak on consistency and on op, zekken is better util wise, he is definitely better with raze and on agent pool, also i think entry wise he is better too.

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Zekken

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Both really good mechanically, both really consistent, both really good agent pool

would say leaf has a higher peak and leaf would also be the kind of player who i'd expect to be good at calling in high pressure situations

both are great players and currently top 5 NA players imo

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Leaf has a higher ceiling, zekken has a Much higher floor

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yaiima0

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leaf is way better mechanically, zekken is very smart util wise and game sense wise tho

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Trick

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sinatraa > both

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Leaf disappears in big games. Zekken clears ez