who do yall think is better?
i honestly think they are pretty similar. both mechanically in how versatile they are
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leaf or zekken
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donkkomong [#12]Leaf a smarter player. Zekken more agressive. Both better than Yay in Bleed for sure.
shut the fuck up
StutterSt3p [#7]zekken is better rn but part of that has to do with the meta. Since Raze is the best duelist rn zekken clears leaf, but in a Jett meta leaf is better.
never really got to see zekken to play that much on jett so you cant say that, but in terms of the agents they have shared together zekken stats are better then leafs
Shawn23 [#20]never really got to see zekken to play that much on jett so you cant say that, but in terms of the agents they have shared together zekken stats are better then leafs
zekken is good on Jett from what I've seen, but leaf has an insane Jett, that's all I'm saying.
Vegaaa [#23]Zekken better in every way esp agent pool. Literally better init and way better duelist
https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5
fr bro so true
michaelisupset [#31]cherry picking https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf
made an account just to say this but how can u compare a match where C9 won, zekken played duelist all 3 maps and leaf played 3 different roles and say its cherry picking
laifu [#3]Mechanically? zekken owns 1leaf in that department
Both players are very versatile as they have proven they can perform on any role they are put on
its the opposite
michaelisupset [#31]cherry picking https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf
Leaf won and beat him in the head 2 head
also it's not just cherrypicking, let's look at every single game Zekken has played vs leaf
https://www.vlr.gg/77797/xset-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-north-america-stage-1-challengers-lr3
Zekken 0.87 rating, Leaf 1.26 rating
https://www.vlr.gg/70059/xset-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-north-america-stage-1-challengers-w2
Zekken 0.99 rating, Leaf 1.15 rating
https://www.vlr.gg/43776/cloud9-blue-vs-xset-champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier-lr3
Zekken 0.83 rating, Leaf 1.16 rating
How are you going to call cherry picking when he's genuinely never outperformed leaf in a head to head??
thatlogic [#32]made an account just to say this but how can u compare a match where C9 won, zekken played duelist all 3 maps and leaf played 3 different roles and say its cherry picking
because they played two matches this year and he chose the one where zekken did bad to show how he thinks leaf is better.
michaelisupset [#36]because they played two matches this year and he chose the one where zekken did bad to show how he thinks leaf is better.
Leaf has outperformed Zekken every single time they've played. If anything YOU'RE cherrypicking the only time Zekken went +1 rating
Danny [#37]Leaf has outperformed Zekken every single time they've played. If anything YOU'RE cherrypicking the only time Zekken went +1 rating
i just showed the only other game they played against each other this year, i wasnt looking at anything before this year
michaelisupset [#38]i just showed the only other game they played against each other this year, i wasnt looking at anything before this year
OK, Leaf still outperformed him
michaelisupset [#40]and zekken still outperformed during the entire lcq
Remind me which team+player won this game for 3rd place?
Danny [#41]Remind me which team+player won this game for 3rd place?
neither made it champs so does that matter
michaelisupset [#42]neither made it champs so does that matter
yes obviously, it's a head to head in an important match
Danny [#44]yes obviously, it's a head to head in an important match
both got shit on by lev so nothing matters
Danny [#46]OK Leaf's still better
zekken had better stats in the americas league (acs) and lcq (acs and rating) hope this helps
michaelisupset [#47]zekken had better stats in the americas league (acs) and lcq (acs and rating) hope this helps
LCQ he just farmed vs 100T and lost head to head vs leaf
Americas league Leaf had a 1.12 rating and Zekken had a 1.07, and Leaf farmed Zekken on head to head and made it further in the league
Danny [#48]LCQ he just farmed vs 100T and lost head to head vs leaf
Americas league Leaf had a 1.12 rating and Zekken had a 1.07, and Leaf farmed Zekken on head to head and made it further in the league
this is going to last forever so im going to leave it here.
zekken clears
michaelisupset [#49]this is going to last forever so im going to leave it here.
zekken clears
KEKken overrated noob
Danny [#29]https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5
fr bro so true
How are you gonna compare the two by KD when C9 beat sentinels badly. Zekken is the better player on a worse team. Thats it. Leaf doesnt even play raze.
Vegaaa [#51]How are you gonna compare the two by KD when C9 beat sentinels badly. Zekken is the better player on a worse team. Thats it. Leaf doesnt even play raze.
Zekken is the worse player on a worse team
Leaf can play raze, the roles just work out better with Xeppaa on raze
Vegaaa [#51]How are you gonna compare the two by KD when C9 beat sentinels badly. Zekken is the better player on a worse team. Thats it. Leaf doesnt even play raze.
I can tell you are new to Valorant.
Leaf used to be known as the “rifler that doesn’t op” he was best known for his raze.
LouBag [#54]I can tell you are new to Valorant.
Leaf used to be known as the “rifler that doesn’t op” he was best known for his raze.
2023 account☠️
LouBag [#54]I can tell you are new to Valorant.
Leaf used to be known as the “rifler that doesn’t op” he was best known for his raze.
then why did xeppa play raze, lol. leaf is way above xeppa and its not like leaf needed to play init
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