mel said a tier 1 team considered her but one of the players straight up said he felt uncomfortable playing with a woman. an opportunity was stripped from her but some of y’all have the audacity to say the skill gap between GC and tier 1 and 2 is too big is the reason
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Tennis is not the same as valorant bro, there's no massive inherent advantage in valorant like there is in tennis or in any sport for that matter.
Before any nerds bring up the reaction time studies, reaction time is a very small part of FPS games, and other than reaction time (which is already a very small difference) there's nothing stopping a woman from being on par with men. This is wildly different than mens and womens sports. In the video posted, Serena literally talks about how men serve harder and run faster than women do, and this is because there's biological differences between men and women that cause these differences. Physically, men are far stronger than women, we see this is weightlifting too. In valorant, you have to factor in game sense, utility timing, crosshair placement, map knowledge, and so many other things that don't have any limiting factors for women. A woman isn't able to compete in the men's ATP tour because she will never be as fast or strong as the men, but what's there to stop a woman from competing in franchising?
women and non-binary people have historically not had a space in the wider gaming sphere in the past, game changers is that new niche that they can have to hone their skills against others that haven't had the same opportunity. If we just threw GC teams into the main circuit they'd get ripped apart and tbh they'd learn very little. It's been widely studied that the best way to learn is to be with people who are slightly better than you so you can have an attainable goal to constantly strive towards. It's known by basically everyone that the gulf between GC teams and the main circuit teams, even the T2 teams, is massive, so the GC circuit is the best way to get these people the experience and resources they lacked in the past. It's really not hard to figure out dude just use ur brain a lil.
your missing the point, and have just completely devalued your original argument.
"If we just threw GC teams into the main circuit they'd get ripped apart"
"It's known by basically everyone that the gulf between GC teams and the main circuit teams, even the T2 teams"
thanks for validating the point of many and that your essay about what is stopping women from competing in fanchising. "The gulf is just too big"
the gulf is too big right now because they don't have the EXPERIENCE nor the PRACTICE that men's teams have. There's no natural talent gap between men and women that exists to stop women from competing. The reason why women's team are shit is because barely any women play the game at a competitive level so the talent pool is obviously smaller, and they don't have the same experience or infrastructure in place to help them to get to those same spots. Esports in its short history is a wildly sexist and misogynistic place, if you can't realize that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. It's logical to reason that women would have been turned off in the past because it's not fun to be surrounded by all this negativity because of something you can't control. Valorant and other esports are narrowing the gap by giving women and other marginalized people to give them the opportunity to get the experience they were denied in the past. You just have shit reading comprehension and can't understand text that's longer than 2 sentences long you dumbfuck.
demon1 was losing to world class teams like "stealing lunch money" and "elysium" before he joined EG and look where he is now
there are plenty of t1 quality players that play and lose in t2-t3
there are plenty of t1 pros that would agree that there are GC players that could succeed in franchising
jakee and runi also great examples
https://www.vlr.gg/165110/nsic-vs-version1-challengers-league-north-america-uro32 jakee was already much better than every V1 player and runi was also in a pretty good tier 2 team in SONIQS. If you cannot even beat the entry t3/t2 teams then how are you possibly going to play in t1. Only example is demon1 and he survived t1 because of his insane mechanics. flor does have cracked mechanics but i dont see Mel going t1
He's right. Women aren't as try-hard as men and they also dont feel the 5 stacks the same way as men. It is hard to explain until you've actually played as a 5 stack with women and just men. Its just a very hard red-pill that might rub people the wrong way but it is true. It is generally agreed upon that men's friendship is much stronger than female friendship, this translates to other stuff too.
Female friendships and inter-gender friendships can be
of course. I never argued they dont, the tweet also didnt. I'm talking about a pattern, you're trying to use outliers for your arguments while I'm using patterns and generalization. Try to argue properly, cheers.
bonds have nothing to do with gender
get some female friends and actually interact with them. If you still dont believe gender plays a role in bonds, then ggs for you.
Platonic? the original tweet and me are not talking about platonic relationships. Its a different kind of bond, its not about attraction or anything. I dont think you'll ever understand the nuance of men's friendship and female friendship if you havent experienced it in a highly charged competitive environment. Lets just leave it at that.
I have:
-Got some female and male friends and actually interact with them on a daily basis.
How I see it, gender has nothing to do with any kind of bond. I am just as good friends with girls as I have with guys, 5 stacks with only girls feels the same as a 5 stack with guys. I have no idea what you're yapping about on this one.
"Women aren't as try-hard as men" is wrong, women can and will be competitive, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT RELIES ON IT, but even when it doesn't, we still want that elo, and gender isn't a factor that will make people want it more/less.
"If you still dont believe gender plays a role in bonds, then ggs for you." ??? It literally does not. Your bond with a dude is just as strong as a bond with a girl. Yeah, maybe their views on life, perception on what gaming is to them, and much more is different, but guess what? That's cause they're different people. Crazy, I know.
"It is generally agreed upon that men's friendship is much stronger than female friendship, this translates to other stuff too." Says literally who? If you think guys have better friendships than girls, why? Girls have very good friendships, and I see this everyday, as me and my group of friends 5 stack very frequently, and I see their positivity and comfortability with each other every time we 5 stack.
"It is hard to explain until you've actually played as a 5 stack with women and just men." I have, and I kinda understand why you think that? You're (probably) thinking that because women are not as angry or unhappy about losing a round, bad whiffs, etc. And shrug it off (ex: "ohhh, nice try", or things like "don't worry about it, it happens to the best of us"). Men on the other hand are less like that when 5 stacking with friends, as men talk about things that women don't think about, have different boundaries, and much more that effect the way they answer to a bad play or whiff (ex: "bro... what did I just see?", or "please bleach my eyes"), because the boundaries set are different between genders. But, even if boundaries are different amongst genders or people, that doesn't stop your friendship status in any way.
Overall, dooooooooogshit take.
If they don't do well, then drop 'em
Bro thinks money is free and they can't be dropped easily due to the contract💀
These kids saying that meL is weak bc her team consistently gets destroyed by tier 1 teams
Her team didn't even face t1 teams lmao, they literally lose to no namers t3 teams while having one of the best GC members💀 DSG was facing good t2 teams, don't even generalize their situation
the skill gap between GC and tier 1 and 2 is too big is the reason
-V1 consistently dropping 0-2’s to unsigned t4 teams
-meL being the IGL whos calling the strats behind these 0-2’s gets some blame i.e people don’t want her as their IGL because her team is doing really poorly for t1 standards
-vlr community in disbelief that woman sport =/ man sport
https://www.vlr.gg/84373/optic-gaming-vs-xerxia-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-opening-b Man, this team must suck cause they lost to some tier two APAC team.
Do you see how dumb this argument sounds now? "because this team lost to another team that's way below their skill level, they must suck" isn't valid cause upsets happen, and in a smaller scene like GC, teams will go unsigned for a while, get good, and beat other teams, without getting signed because GC isn't looked at as often as the male dominated tier 1 valorant.
Because, Xerxia's game was never int'l worthy, scraping by because of the lack of competition. To the world champion's eyes, and to many others, that's just a tier two team with no competition due to lack of good talent put together, but them. Not to say that they were undeserving of an international tourney, but they certainly didn't earn being there through hard work to become a better team. Every tourney they just showed up, won a game, and got knocked out. That happened consistently, and that makes them a tier two team for me.
LMAO wtf? Xerxia was literally better than PRX in half of Valorant's total history. And consistently top 3 APAC.
Xerxia's players are still quite successful wherever they are and doing quite well.
In fact, Yay is now playing with Sscary (ex Xerxia) who won APAC ascension and is a world-class controller.
The ignorance you have about other regions is just bewildering.
Cloud9 white on the other had never made it beyond Ro32 I think?
and demon1 was a different case he was good even when losing against t2 teams he was trialed because his ranked demon gameplay yay and demon1 need good teammates to be good but mel herself needs to be good and but flor is a different case she can compete in t1 if she passes trials but mel can only grind from low-level to prove herself duelist just needs good teammates and coach to get good but igls need experience and grind to get good
What do I need to counter there? The point being made was that she shouldn't be denied of participating in trials. But clearly, this user acts like he's in charge of the team trials and doesn't want a chance for talents to prove themselves. Stats don't even tell the whole story. That's why there's trials in the first place. Every other pro in the league recognizes meL's skills.
There's your counter lil bro. If anyone's gonna bring up stats again, then you completely missed the point.
there is no need for IGL vayln stellar ayrin are all available with results behind their back. saadhak is not confirmed if victor is not baiting. maybe if a team wanna be budget like c9 picking up runi and jakee they are still options to be considered. even runi can be considered t1 now that he is still IGL'd in c9 and made them above average. flor has a good shot on ascension if gets picked up by oxygen even
They keep bringing up stats like,,, that's not the point! She was denied trials because some dude's ego can't take it when a woman can play at the same level as them.
Even if we were to talk about stats, it doesn't tell the whole story. If players can solely be judged by their stats, then we wouldn't need trials. Just sign them immediately.
it’s just sad how many teams won’t hire meL, as i have said for years riot should mandate 50% of all pro teams should be all woman to equal out the playing field
if you rely on orgs and people involved it will never happen bc.
take a stand riot. promote what is right.
the community supports these initiatives. CLG red was a top 10-15 team in NA but oppression kept them down.
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