REAL top 10 players at Santiago

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I just saw a horrific list that genuinely put jaw in the top 10 so I decided to make a much better list

Marteen (this shouldn’t even be disputed)
Izu (dominant for all of kickoff basically, easily pacific’s best)
lovers rock (insane form rn, bbl look primed to win)
F0rsaken (bad form at the start, really ramping up at the end)
valyn (statistically top 2, realistically gonna slow down a little bit but in the best form of his career)
Koalanoob (awping is so strong and he’s probably the best awper itw atm)
trent (one of the most clutch players itw, if not the most)
brawk (champs mvp, enough said)
Loita (very clutch, basically have to mention 2 bbl players)
Minny (very good player, slowed down towards the end)

If you’re asking why I didn’t mention any CN players like happywei, it’s cuz China is ass and I’m not making the mistake of calling any of them top 10.

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dambi :)

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I don’t respect Dambi at all as a player. I can see him having closer to a 0.8 rating than a 1.1 rating at Santiago. He’s just a gimmick player

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Facts

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i mean i agree a little with the gimmick thing too, but it means something to be able to consistently make space in APAC like that. looking forward to seeing how the other regions deal with it

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I think it’s because it’s apac, it works. APAC is probably the worst of the 3 in terms of fundamentals, but the best of the 3 mechanically. His playstyle won’t be punished because teams play less cohesively in pacific and play more individually there (not necessarily a bad thing). Other regions are more equipped to punish that

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https://www.vlr.gg/582200/nongshim-redforce-vs-team-heretics-ten-global-invitational-2025-sf
I think dambi will be just fine

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no f4ngeer?? no dambi??

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Look at the bottom. As for Dambi, he’s just a gimmick player. He really isn’t that good. I struggled to even put him in my top 15, I don’t respect him at all as a player.

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i saw the bottom and im still kinda baffled, i think f4ngeer deserves a shout even if he's farming china
Justifiable reason for not having dambi top 10 tbh, that makes sense

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While I respect what he’s done in China so far, I’ve seen Rarga do far more, get rated top 5, then do jackshit

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that's entirely fair
hopefully china can show up internationally, im rooting heavily for AG

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get br0wk out of there, he wasn't even that good this kickoff and I lost faith in minny after his performances at the end

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minny was the fuel behind getting m8 past GX and Navi, crazy disrespect

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it's a top 10 list, he was amazing earlier but I feel other players proved themselves more. still a great player

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Brawk is a top 10 player, cry about it bro. As for Minny, I felt that I should’ve kept him out as well. Only did it to appease the FREEMEA fans. Maybe I should have replaced him with shAts or artzin tbh

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he did slow down but he had some good maps in the bo5s

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koalanoob top 6 will never not be funny. also happywei will finally stop choking internationally

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NAVI couldn't set up koalanoob properly if their lifeline and spot as an org in VCT was relying on it

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Did not expect iZu appreciators. Just don't overhype him, he's just a nice kid. I don't wanna see him get any hate.

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izu was the Bangkok mvp, meteor got it undeservingly. If people don’t respect him, they’re dumbasses. He’s more accomplished than most pacific players

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What are you talking about, idiot

At that time, T1 was the winning team centered on the Meteor;;

Don't you remember split viper ace?

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I don’t care bro, if you actually watched Bangkok you’d understand that t1 wouldn’t have even sniffed the finals if it wasn’t for izu hard carrying the early parts of the tournament

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Of course, izu did a good job.
He played the second most important role in the team after meteor.

However, to the end, bangkok t1 is a team whose core is meteor
Iso, reina, etc., act as agents against Meta, and countering Meta was a key core at the time.

izu has the qualifications and was growing to be the best player in the world. It may be fully revealed this year.

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Meteor will lose to nAts at the masters

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lol That's not very threatening.

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In this kick off, izu was Pacific's best in duelist, and he picked up a top stat while catching the Initiator.

He's already FLEX with forsaken and now the best in the world.

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There's so many T1 haters, calling the team overhyped cause of the 'superteam' buzz stax etc.
For T1 vs RRQ everyone saying RRQ better etc.
Guess the brutal people are asleep now.
Nice to see iZu earned the appreciation he deserved.

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?? I beat RRQ 3-0 and it's better lol

saying RRQ better, It's just stupid..

izu is such a talented player and this time he completely destroyed PRX RRQ.

And Super Team. Super Team

Meteor Munchkin buzz stax Izu

It is the team that matches the name of the most super team in the world.

However, Buzz and stax were sluggish last year, and especially stax are past their prime, but they have a legacy.

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where is a dambi

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happywei is an exception to where he is good enough to be put in top 10

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Happywei choked internationally twice already, I won’t make that mistake again

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his team choked

he was positive at both events he attended

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by that logic u might aswell take trent and valyn off the list

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Trent was top 5 rating at both Bangkok and Toronto, so no I won’t do that. Valyn is in the best form of his career so no I won’t do that either

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nah but we should think logically

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dude hes always the only one performing internationally, hes already proven unlike rarga

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allat just for happywei to be no.1 rated player in san diego

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good lish jonahpork

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marteen and f0rsaken top2
everyone else

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F0rsaken didn’t play like a top 2 player, the last match is clouding your memory. He obviously played insane in the last match but his lack of consistency series to series means he can’t be in the top 3 over more consistent players like marteen izu and lovers rock

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f0rsaken played more games and was only on duelist for a few maps between 2 games

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saying trent is one of the most clutch players itw when he's barely top 25 in his region is incredibly funny

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giga sneak

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Rb should be there if you put Loita or minny lol

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I put Loita there out of respect for what BBL has accomplished so far, along with him being statistically the best clutcher going into Santiago. Minny I already regret putting, instead I think nats or artzin make more sense. No NS player deserves a spot near the top 10. I would put half the T1 and PRX rosters before I put a single NS player in the top 10

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crazy disrespect to NS when BBL is tier 2 roster and furia assembled from bunch of rejects. ivy or rb if its not dambi should be on the list they're the most clutch and the most impactful on the team. they have their own unique playstyle where everyone else trying to copy metas, they were already good even last year.

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Tier 2 isn’t necessarily a bad thing, NS was tier 2 themselves. Furia has the best meta read itw so naturally I’m going to favor them even if their player quality isn’t perceived to be great. And bbl was only tier 2 bc they were too young to play tier 1

Im not going to put Rb in the top 10 when he’s been playing international for like 5 years and has never been a top 10 player. Dambi I just don’t respect bro idk what to say, he’s just a gimmick player.

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Lol when lar0k and loita stuck in tier 2 for 2 years NS instantly ascended in their first year dominantly and they are top 6 team apac in arguably a stacked region last year

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Lar0k and Loita were not stuck in tier 2 bro they turned 18 just recently

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fairs but they lost ascension to kaajak and friends

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No glaze, bbl genuinely can win it, they are thriving in this double duelist meta, lar0k and lovers rock are such a good duo, and rosé is doing such a good job as an ini and a rookie igl. Loita is such a clutch player, legit pulling out unreal performance

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Definitely not crazy to say, they do look really good. I don’t expect them to win just cuz they don’t have an experienced person to lead them but they have 5 capable players

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Marteen is absolutely terrible
Dambi not making the list is criminal
Lovers rock over Lar0k is kek
you're a pepega

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better than d0mbi

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Well, it's hard to compare. I think it's right to compare players like Marteen with players like Primmie, Something, and Gemkin in Pacific.

But it's Dambi's neon that smashed those aimers in this kick off.

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Marteen is beyond overrated, one trick player on a team that will be farmed at Santiago because they're mid. It's like how Jemkin was a ton of peoples #1 player going into internationals last year and ended up getting farmed because RRQ were shit. Same thing will happen to Marteen/M8s.

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Copy that entire comment and just replace marteen’s name with Dambi and it’s even more applicable

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He is a bias final boss to put marteen no1

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4 playere from EMEA thats recency bias. Izu Something Jing BuZz stax Dambi clears all of those EMEA players. especially marteen

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I’m literally anti EMEA and think m8 will bomb out bro. I just tried to appease all regions with this list and be as unbiased as possible. Something was going double negative almost every other game at kickoff, he’s in the worst form of his career. Jinggg also is in terrible form. Buzz is inconsistent. Stax is not a heavy fragger. Dambi is a gimmick player. Marteen is a record breaking hard carry not seen since 2025 kickoff aspas

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Sorry to burst ur bubble but m8 are getting grouped

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Agree with the Forsaken reasoning. Yall need to remember that PRX were tinkering with so much stuff and actually played the highest amount of unique comps (like 3 diff comps in Pearl, etc). It's understandable that they couldn't consistently keep full form throughout Kickoff, and that's okay.

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Bro put losteen first when literally Izu Dambi and Babybay are best in the server

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1.Larok
2.minny

babybay
4.nats
5.forsaken
6.izu
7.mada
8.rarga
9.lovers rock
10.miniboo
only for swiss stage
didnt add marteen cause i think he used all of his energy in the finals of course i can be proved wrong

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babybay snub

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nAts
f0rsaken
valyn
marteen
Izu
happywei
loversrock
Meteor
ZmjKK
brawk

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L list babybay should be at top.

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having no nongshim players when they qual first seed is crazy
also no cn players