Explaining NTK and pancc situation

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Ntk has an agression history with his ex-girlfriend, he already has served his sentence that he was gave in the court and then started playing to VK (Vivo Keyd) in Valorant in the year of 2021 after served the sentence and seeked for professional help, he started dating another girl during this time here is a Twitter of her thanking the present of Valentines that he gave to her
https://twitter.com/_lullyc/status/1668309622090870808?s=20
But this time he didnt did nothing and was playing very well for VK, but then a Newspaper from Brazil "revived" this situation in 2021 right before Champions, he decided then, as a personal decision, to "leave" VK, that was then when Mwzera came in as a complete to Champs, and after that Ntk search for other teams in the Second split of 2022 and then entered The Union
Pancc situation is way more down, ill resume, he flirted with underaged girls, and was sent to the court, BUT, in Brasil the age of consent is... 14(yeah thats awful) so the judge foumd him not guilty, but of course he went to seek professional help, and I think that at least NTK have a second chance, my opinion on Pancc is different than that

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thanks i didnt knew about it!

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idk why people care sm
they didnt get charged during their valorant careers so it rly doesnt matter at the end of the day

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bro it does

by your logic if i raped an 8 year old girl while i was in high school i shouldnt go to prison or serve any punishment because im an adult now?

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`?????? wtf

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i apologize for that post

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Stlk

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What the fuck are you talking about

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bro mb i did not mean it like that i misclicked lol

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common bobkiller L

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i just realized you got your alt to 4 stars too

get a life

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L take :(

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most normal vlr post

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wtfffff

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Bro’s testing the waters before he comes out with his story

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LOL

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that is the most braindead shit ive ever heard omfg
too bad the girl who got abused will never get to live that down or forget about it
or the little girl who was used to get a grown man off will always remember that
but theyre valorant players now so its okay!!

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asd7

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how is it the most braindead
ur right-the girl prob has trauma
but he alr served his "punishment"
there is literally nothing riot could do about this

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bobkiller

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what punishment?

all he did was post a twitlonger about how hes wrong and then he got away with it

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asd7

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"punishment"
mf dumbass kid

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he didnt serve any punishment you idiot

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asd7

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ok tell me what should have happened then come on bruh
yes he committed a crime but not during his pro career
riot cant do shit about that its the truth

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bobkiller

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he should not be allowed to play on a roster that is competing for a spot in t1...

sick got removed from sen roster

sinatraa only streams + his case is still open for investigation

so why is pancc allowed to play in acension?

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bobkiller

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its like having a criminal record and trying to get a job

even if you commited a crime before you got a job, you still cant get another job

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the guy who beat his girlfreind was arrested i think

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Chirby

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Thanks for informing people unaware (such as myself)

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Riot should just ban all of em tbh. The sinatraa situation set the baseline for what it takes to get blacklisted from the scene and I think both of these people fit the criteria.

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They didn't commited a heinous crime, why ban? Riot isn't a government organization.

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what does riot being a private company have to do with this? the OP is saying that something should be done, not something must be done. i wouldn't call the crime 'heinous' but its very bad if not worse than any hate (i think you mean) crime.

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what does riot being a private company have to do with this?

Atleast here in Brazil, ppl cannot get into some public function if they have certain criminal record (but I think it's most of henious crimes).

the OP is saying that something should be done

something already was done. NTK paid for his crimes, and it was in like 2015.

Pancc flirted with a minor (I thought he harassed but I checked the post and they were flirting), which is a bad thing and morally wrong but not a crime.

So what you want Riot to do?

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well Riot can punish anything they find morally wrong

im referring to pancc not NTK

okay but what does brazil's domestic laws have to do with a company's stance on paedopilia?

well block him from pro-play lol, idk, have a stance on it, condemn it, i'm not here to weigh up his actions however if something THIS morally wrong has been done then i think its importance riot take a no-nonsense stance.

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well Riot can punish anything they find morally wrong

they can't? This would open many precedents. Riot, as a serious company, would never punish someone based on "morally wrong".

okay but what does brazil's domestic laws have to do with a company's stance on paedopilia?

Huh? Riot will follow the law of the country the player is based, they aren't a judicial body. If age of consent in Brazil is 14, Riot will respect this.

well block him from pro-play lol, idk, have a stance on it, condemn it

Again, technically it isn't a crime, so there's no need to Riot to mess with this. They have nothing to do with this.

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what precedents would this open...? this is literally the slippery slope fallacy lmao. how is not punishing people for non-morally wrong crimes not 'serious'? lmao what no they won't? Riot isn't a brazilian company. cheating isn't against Brazilian law but riot would have no problem banning him for that lmao. if they followed this relative to country's laws we'd be here all day.

you're conflating a crime with something with negative moral worth, otherwise known as a sin. why should brazilian law being faulty affect Riot's decision on this?

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what precedents would this open...?

The precedent of punishing players based on subjective morale. If it isn't against the law, Riot can't do nothing.

wrong crimes

again. It isn't a crime. He flirted with a 15yo. He's a scumbag. But sadly, based in Brazil age of consent, it wasn't a crime.

cheating isn't against Brazilian law but riot would have no problem banning him for that lmao

cheating is against Riot rulebook...

why should brazilian law being faulty affect Riot's decision on this?

He's in BRAZIL. He did the thing in BRAZIL. Riot can't ban him saying: "what, this is a crime in Atlantida"

if you think for 30 seconds, u will realize that what you're saying is nonsense.

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but a crime doesn't make something wrong lmao, a crime is BECAUSE something is wrong. cheating on someone is morally wrong, but it isn't a crime lol. you've ignored me again - stop conflating the two. everyone agrees pedophilia is wrong, so Riot CAN punish him for it because he has done something morally wrong...?

okay, and why can't pedophilia be against Riot's rulebook?

you keep saying 'sadly, in brazil etc.' but this has nothing to do with the law. this has to do with Riot's DECISION.

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but a crime doesn't make something wrong lmao, a crime is BECAUSE something is wrong.

Wtf you're talking about. The point is that pancc DIDN'T commited a crime.

everyone agrees pedophilia is wrong

The point, that you're still ignoring, is that it isn't pedophilia. If it was, he would be in jail. Pedophilia is a thing that justice takes seriously here in Brazil. But sadly, the age of consent is 14. And the girl was 15. So it wasn't pedophilia.

okay, and why can't pedophilia be against Riot's rulebook?

??????? wtf you talking about? Riot isn't a judicial body or a country creating a constitution, Riot rulebooks are about competition and game, you're deadass lost here.

but this has nothing to do with the law. this has to do with Riot's DECISION.

Riot CAN'T and WON'T impute a crime to anyone. Pancc is Brazilian, he flirted with a brazilian minor in Brazil, and in Brazil the age of consent is 14 years. Period.

That was in 2021, If Riot was an amateur company that was going to punish him for doing nothing wrong based on Brazil law, they would have done so a long time ago.

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Stlk

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I dont think that Ntk should even be close to be banned he already served his sentence and is doing everyhting to evite the scenario to happen, and to Brazilian laws Pancc didnt did nothing wrong, so I dont think that Riot could do something in this situation, but I really do think that Pancc should at least serve some time in prison or be medically acompanied by a therapist and everything

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whats it got to do with brazilian laws? Riot isnt a Brazilian company rofl and Brazilian laws don't have any moral worth in the same way that any other countries laws have no intrinsic moral worth. your argument is circular, laws are morally good because....? they are laws? why are they laws? if you think something is wrong and you can argue it is, and I would say paedophilia is definitely wrong, by definition tbqh.

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If you admit what you did wrong, seek for help to understand what you did and why you did that and is 100% in terms with the justice i don't see a reason why you can't play the game again

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Anyways, i don't think The Union can condone this kind of act. NTK did the time in prison, but pancc did such an awful shit, he should be out of the roster

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but pancc did such an awful shit, he should be out of the roster

If you admit what you did wrong, seek for help to understand what you did and why you did that and is 100% in terms with the justice i don't see a reason why you can't play the game again

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nah thats bulshit so if i kill somebody and say sorry a should not be punished?

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i know, just saying that a excuse

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Quem deveria responder é o veyyyyron, mas apesar de estar zoando a resposta dele, não discordo.

O Direito Penal da maioria dos países busca ressocializar os criminosos. É uma tentativa de acreditar na evolução de uma pessoa. Se não fosse assim, não seria melhor eliminar tais pessoas de uma vez? Pois se eles não tiverem um lugar na sociedade depois de cumprir a pena, só vai levar a reincidência. Já que eles não terão oportunidades e sempre serão perseguidos pelo que fizeram. Talvez dessa vez com crimes ainda piores pois eles não terão apenas ódio de um indivíduo, mas da própria sociedade que os menosprezou.

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eu sei eu tmb acredito nisso pra mim o cara q bateu na namorada e foi preso e compriu o dele ta livre o outro é uma historia diferente por mais que oque ele fez nao seja crime é muito estranho

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pse paizao, ele não foi julgado ainda 👍

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E não será. E agora?

Mesmo se fosse julgado ele não pegaria regime fechado. Seria o bastante para apaziguar o ódio de vocês? Não, né? Como ele faz para pagar pelo que fez então?

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I agree

NTK has served his sentence and it has been quite some time
Pancc situation is pretty disgusting, whether he apologized or not he got away with SA of a minor. Idc who you are if you're a pedo at one point I don't see redemption as a option and more importantly won't see them as a good person even if punished. Its a unforgivable crime imo

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ngl idc that it didn’t happen during their valorant careers bro I just can’t support a team with people like this and pancc getting away with that with just a twitlonger is disgusting

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Guys, NTK already played Masters, in Berlin, nothing happened.
by Riot, most likely, he and Pancc will play what could happen, and I think it's most likely, is pressure from the public to make The Union not renew their contract if they franchise

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Thanks for explanation, and I agree. NTK seems to understand his mistake and has changed for the better. I don't mean to belittle NTK's ex's experiences at all - with that being said pancc's offense seems more extreme and unforgivable given that we're talking about minors vs grown adults.

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Both have done their time. Pancc’s offense was not that severe but NTK’s was severe.

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i'm not talking about pedophilia as in a legal concept, i'm talking about it as in a moral concept, which are independent of laws which i keep talking about.

Riot has NOTHING to do with NOTHING in the "moral concept". I doubt you can show ONE punishment Riot did because of a SUBJECTIVE "moral concept" (although I agree with it, It's subjective). If Riot did this, would be imputing a crime to pancc, and pancc would have a good guaranteed lawsuit against riot.

Riot's rulebook prohibits swearing etc out of game, why can't it have a stance on pedophilia of players? arguably a much more signifant issue.

Riot doesn't prohibit swearing, it prohibits HATE SPEECH, which you know is a crime.

are you stupid? i literally said it's nothing to do with a crime - it's Riot's decision to blacklist someone. they can blacklist someone regardless of what they have done.

If Riot ban someone with no valid justification, they would face consequences (like a lawsuit), and it would open a lot of precedents, As I already said.

he was within the law but as i literally just said in my last reply that doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong.

If he wasn't really wrong, Riot can't do nothing.

: MORALLY Riot should do something (blacklist) irrelevant of any LEGAL (for law!) conditions because PEOPLE (not governments) agree that pedophilia is morally wrong.

Riot can't do nothing based in a subjective moral, as I already explained more than 1 time above.