Why do people think ardiis is not better than cned?
Ardiis literally was a perfect fit and waas very flexible and yeah ik cned is insane but
I dont think -adriis +cned is an upgrade
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NotASinner69 [#3]Everyone was saying it's a downgrade dude. But imo it's almost a perfect replacement.
yea I dont think so you can find better player than ardis for navi so cned is kinda fit for them
Trickster [#4]not perfect, as ardiss can flex wayyyy more than Cned's agent pool
bro what he is tryna say is there is no other player than cNed for that role. Everybody knows he is not as good as ardiis but he is the only one that can replace him
i think u guys are overrating ardiis so much, like i even saw someone saying ardiis is good as much yay and nrg will be okay. Cned had a bad year but he's the perfect fit for Navi. There's no other player in terms of op player in emea and he will be okay with fpx core.
Ardiis only played good at copenhagen and champs while cned had a perfect year in 2021 and yay was consistent 2021 and 2022
After ardiis leaving, really there couldn't have been a better replacement for him other than cned, sayf or maybe jampii. Seriously, its still the same dangerous FPX core with shao, suygetsu, zyppan. Im sure ANGE1 can fit cned in their playstyle, he's a veteran IGL afterall. That's why they are rating this team so high, just like how DRX should be rated high as well. Established core with a small change. NRG could've been similar if marved was there. It's sad Optic core and LOUD core split up. Navi, DRX, PRX are few of the only top teams left unchanged.
Hewcho [#9]i think u guys are overrating ardiis so much, like i even saw someone saying ardiis is good as much yay and nrg will be okay. Cned had a bad year but he's the perfect fit for Navi. There's no other player in terms of op player in emea and he will be okay with fpx core.
Ardiis only played good at copenhagen and champs while cned had a perfect year in 2021 and yay was consistent 2021 and 2022
Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world rn. Nrg will be ok
Hewcho [#9]i think u guys are overrating ardiis so much, like i even saw someone saying ardiis is good as much yay and nrg will be okay. Cned had a bad year but he's the perfect fit for Navi. There's no other player in terms of op player in emea and he will be okay with fpx core.
Ardiis only played good at copenhagen and champs while cned had a perfect year in 2021 and yay was consistent 2021 and 2022
NRG will be pretty insane with ardiis. Only real concern should be s0m lol.
Also Acend almost beat FPX for the second time in stage 2. That icebox was just crazy throw from acend. Just goes to show how hard it is to qualify from EMEA, when a 2 month of team was beating and almost knocking out the champion of the tournament they would be qualifying to.
GreyDaze [#12]Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world rn. Nrg will be ok
Ardiis W pick
Rest of the team L
benmaimoon [#14]Ardiis W pick
Rest of the team L
Idk about that. Optic core is still really good. Their firepower might be lacking but they will be fine. They have the best coach in the world
GreyDaze [#12]Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world rn. Nrg will be ok
i doubt that, optics best players were yay and marved always showing up at hard times and they lost them both. ardiis is good but they downgraded massive with s0m and ardiis.
BoF7ooM [#10]After ardiis leaving, really there couldn't have been a better replacement for him other than cned, sayf or maybe jampii. Seriously, its still the same dangerous FPX core with shao, suygetsu, zyppan. Im sure ANGE1 can fit cned in their playstyle, he's a veteran IGL afterall. That's why they are rating this team so high, just like how DRX should be rated high as well. Established core with a small change. NRG could've been similar if marved was there. It's sad Optic core and LOUD core split up. Navi, DRX, PRX are few of the only top teams left unchanged.
i actually don't think sayf and jampi level are near cned its just we couldn't see cned this year much and they lost bonecold which let to playing bad as a team. Navi with fpx core + cned actually can work better, if angel and doombros make good teamplay with cned gonna be huge.
GreyDaze [#15]Idk about that. Optic core is still really good. Their firepower might be lacking but they will be fine. They have the best coach in the world
optic players were playing decently but individually they were not (except yay)
benmaimoon [#18]optic players were playing decently but individually they were not (except yay)
Fns best igl in the world, crashies top 5 initiators in the world. Victor was the weak link but he is good enough. Som is going to be the problem
Hewcho [#16]i doubt that, optics best players were yay and marved always showing up at hard times and they lost them both. ardiis is good but they downgraded massive with s0m and ardiis.
Som is a massive downgrade I agree. But ardiis isn't a massive downgrade. He is still the 2nd best chamber in the world right behind yay.
Hewcho [#17]i actually don't think sayf and jampi level are near cned its just we couldn't see cned this year much and they lost bonecold which let to playing bad as a team. Navi with fpx core + cned actually can work better, if angel and doombros make good teamplay with cned gonna be huge.
Currently cned is out of form. Both jamppi and sayf are definitely better than him rn for sure. But cned has got the most potential among all players in emea
GreyDaze [#21]Som is a massive downgrade I agree. But ardiis isn't a massive downgrade. He is still the 2nd best chamber in the world right behind yay.
yay cryo dicey tenz all clear ardiis
you will see, ardiis was literally carried by shao and suygetsu. Hopefully optic core can carry him too.
GreyDaze [#19]Fns best igl in the world, crashies top 5 initiators in the world. Victor was the weak link but he is good enough. Som is going to be the problem
i watch a lot of som content so im more than a little biased towards him but his aim game sense and team play are superb and i think if he can just show up in matches like he does in ranked it could actually work out quite well. also if u listen to any of his team comms he keeps up the morale a lot
babysasuke [#23]yay cryo dicey tenz all clear ardiis
you will see, ardiis was literally carried by shao and suygetsu. Hopefully optic core can carry him too.
Ik u are a shit baiter but since I am bored I will humor u
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1015/valorant-champions-2022
Look at the stats lol
GreyDaze [#22]Currently cned is out of form. Both jamppi and sayf are definitely better than him rn for sure. But cned has got the most potential among all players in emea
cNed isn’t out of from he definitely plays worst then he did before but you have to also consider the fact that Acend was at its worst point ever in 2022 not even Yay could have carried that team
Trickster [#4]not perfect, as ardiss can flex wayyyy more than Cned's agent pool
Dude if ardiis is better than cNed is definitely not because he can flex, ardiis is an aim best but he is the most similar thing you can get to a Scream but Oping, tries to flex but has a horrible utility usage.
I’m still traumatized with his Sova
TakoSaki [#24]i watch a lot of som content so im more than a little biased towards him but his aim game sense and team play are superb and i think if he can just show up in matches like he does in ranked it could actually work out quite well. also if u listen to any of his team comms he keeps up the morale a lot
Sorry to break it to u but pro play is waaaay different than ranked. Som is alright but he is definitely not franchising material. Especially when there are better players who are missing out. The only positive I can see in him is he is insanely flexible
GreyDaze [#19]Fns best igl in the world, crashies top 5 initiators in the world. Victor was the weak link but he is good enough. Som is going to be the problem
i mean firepower. som and victor gonna be the problem. fns might be a problem as well but he's igl so he doesnt count
benmaimoon [#29]i mean firepower. som and victor gonna be the problem. fns might be a problem as well but he's igl so he doesnt count
Well that's what I said that their firepower might be lacking. But we can still see them performing well imo
GreyDaze [#25]Ik u are a shit baiter but since I am bored I will humor u
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1015/valorant-champions-2022
Look at the stats lol
eco fragger, not a single impact kill + expected on chamber + nothing special
babysasuke [#31]eco fragger, not a single impact kill + expected on chamber + nothing special
😂. Was feeling bored thanks for making me laugh. Can always rely on u and rickyindian
USCK [#20]Everyone was saying Ardiis better until leaks came out showing cNed dropped 40+ in a scrim with the Navi squad time will tell if it was a upgrade or not
Can u send me the link of the leak
brother watches ardiis only in lan and declares he is the best. ardiis was probably the weakest chamber among the top 5 EMEA teams in the challengers thing. he performed really really well in lan, which he can definitely continue but thats not very certain. also cned's peak>>> ardiis(of what we saw till now)
Mortadelo [#27]Dude if ardiis is better than cNed is definitely not because he can flex, ardiis is an aim best but he is the most similar thing you can get to a Scream but Oping, tries to flex but has a horrible utility usage.
I’m still traumatized with his Sova
this. people only look at what all agents he plays while forgetting how bad he is, that may or may not show statistically. his cypher on lan was the recent example. his sova was bad. he plays those agents at the bare min level. his util usage is no where near a guy who mains those agents
symbols07 [#35]brother watches ardiis only in lan and declares he is the best. ardiis was probably the weakest chamber among the top 5 EMEA teams in the challengers thing. he performed really really well in lan, which he can definitely continue but thats not very certain. also cned's peak>>> ardiis(of what we saw till now)
Horrible take. Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world only behind yay. The only fact u spoke is about cned's peak>ardiis' peak.
GreyDaze [#28]Sorry to break it to u but pro play is waaaay different than ranked. Som is alright but he is definitely not franchising material. Especially when there are better players who are missing out. The only positive I can see in him is he is insanely flexible
yea thats what im saying if he can show up in matches the way he does in ranked he can be a serious contender
GreyDaze [#22]Currently cned is out of form. Both jamppi and sayf are definitely better than him rn for sure. But cned has got the most potential among all players in emea
i think cned performance depends a bit on their strats and they couldn't make much because after bonecold, kiles and zeek left the team was undisciplined.
babysasuke [#34]you mean has a mind to go steal paychecks in NA?
ec1s 2.0
I give him 2 matches after kickoff before getting dropped.
average shitMEA player paycheck stealer
GreyDaze [#37]Horrible take. Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world only behind yay. The only fact u spoke is about cned's peak>ardiis' peak.
actually he is right. people overrating ardiis so much but the ones that had most impact is shao and suygetsu
ortuh [#44]average shitMEA player paycheck stealer
NA Team managers when SHITMEA bots cant put up the same numbers in NA that they did against tier 7 VRL players: 😱😱😱
babysasuke [#23]yay cryo dicey tenz all clear ardiis
you will see, ardiis was literally carried by shao and suygetsu. Hopefully optic core can carry him too.
they forgot how shao single handedly got them out of groups in copenhagen and then suygetsu came everything was way more easier.
Hewcho [#47]they forgot how shao single handedly got them out of groups in copenhagen and then suygetsu came everything was way more easier.
Unfortunately average EMEA watcher is actually just so deluded that they didnt see it
ardiis play chamber, he get op kill, best player in the world zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
NaVi needed a OP player and since they couldn’t get Sayf... they got next best option Cned and now considering that Chamber's pick rate is going down and more teams are running Jett and I think Chamber will get another small nerf before the next VCT season I think the meta will shift towards Jett and Cned is the best Jett player in the world his Chamber is weak but he diffs everyone with Jett so I think FPX got a upgrade
babysasuke [#48]Unfortunately average EMEA watcher is actually just so deluded that they didnt see it
ardiis play chamber, he get op kill, best player in the world zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
people forget about others when they see flashy things
NotASinner69 [#3]Everyone was saying it's a downgrade dude. But imo it's almost a perfect replacement.
Really causei see people hyping like Navi will be better with Cned
babysasuke [#48]Unfortunately average EMEA watcher is actually just so deluded that they didnt see it
ardiis play chamber, he get op kill, best player in the world zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
so you agree that yay is dogshit
Hewcho [#45]actually he is right. people overrating ardiis so much but the ones that had most impact is shao and suygetsu
Look at Champs stats and talk. U are just mad that ppl talk about ardiis being better than cned. Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world without a doubt. Copenhagen I agree Shao and suygetsu were amazing but ardiis also played really well and in Champs he showed up more than those 2 did. He is fpx's best player. When u have got the same opinion as babysasuke u gotta rethink bruh💀
GreyDaze [#56]Look at Champs stats and talk. U are just mad that ppl talk about ardiis being better than cned. Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world without a doubt. Copenhagen I agree Shao and suygetsu were amazing but ardiis also played really well and in Champs he showed up more than those 2 did. He is fpx's best player. When u have got the same opinion as babysasuke u gotta rethink bruh💀
he was not fpx's best player. im not mad about ppl talking about ardiis being better. i've never said ardiis being best chamber, he was teh best jett and i think he's still the best jett. Yes he was very well at champs i nothingg said about it and same happened with acend back then zeek showed up more and everyone said he's best flex that i don't agree. Cned had a bad year because they changed the team and lost their igl, navi's 2023 roster looks clean and if angel and doombros make better teamplay with cned he will be good as old days.
Hewcho [#58]he was not fpx's best player. im not mad about ppl talking about ardiis being better. i've never said ardiis being best chamber, he was teh best jett and i think he's still the best jett. Yes he was very well at champs i nothingg said about it and same happened with acend back then zeek showed up more and everyone said he's best flex that i don't agree. Cned had a bad year because they changed the team and lost their igl, navi's 2023 roster looks clean and if angel and doombros make better teamplay with cned he will be good as old days.
Again not denying cned won't match ardiis but saying that ardiis isn't the 2nd best chamber in the world is just false. U gotta understand something. Zeek was one of the best flex in the world back then. Meta changes. Players improve or fall off. Same way ardiis is currently the 2nd best chamber itw and the best player on fpx. This can change. But there is no denying the stats of the most recent tournament
GreyDaze [#59]Again not denying cned won't match ardiis but saying that ardiis isn't the 2nd best chamber in the world is just false. U gotta understand something. Zeek was one of the best flex in the world back then. Meta changes. Players improve or fall off. Same way ardiis is currently the 2nd best chamber itw and the best player on fpx. This can change. But there is no denying the stats of the most recent tournament
ardiis is not the second best chamber in NA lmfao
Imagine trying to have an actual discussion when your focal point is a bold faced lie
cope harder shitty, ardiis is going to be the factor that keeps NRG from being great. Will be replaced with Dicey after kick off
Aladeenn [#52]Really causei see people hyping like Navi will be better with Cned
it's only us bro the acend fans T_T
GreyDaze [#56]Look at Champs stats and talk. U are just mad that ppl talk about ardiis being better than cned. Ardiis is the 2nd best chamber in the world without a doubt. Copenhagen I agree Shao and suygetsu were amazing but ardiis also played really well and in Champs he showed up more than those 2 did. He is fpx's best player. When u have got the same opinion as babysasuke u gotta rethink bruh💀
just watch what happened in emea games and then say. you being an nrg fan are now so biased by just watching his masters and champs games. sure he can continue his form, but its more than likely he'll perform worse than what cned does. i am just an emea fan, not a fan of ardiis or cned. rest is up to you to acknowledge
babysasuke [#60]ardiis is not the second best chamber in NA lmfao
Imagine trying to have an actual discussion when your focal point is a bold faced lie
cope harder shitty, ardiis is going to be the factor that keeps NRG from being great. Will be replaced with Dicey after kick off
the thing is nrg would've gone for dicey if his buyout wasnt as expensive as moving ardiis to US. fu*k faze clan who has put their players in high buyouts and contract jail.
ColdWKey [#49]NaVi needed a OP player and since they couldn’t get Sayf... they got next best option Cned and now considering that Chamber's pick rate is going down and more teams are running Jett and I think Chamber will get another small nerf before the next VCT season I think the meta will shift towards Jett and Cned is the best Jett player in the world his Chamber is weak but he diffs everyone with Jett so I think FPX got a upgrade
the meta might not shift towards jett either but yea you are right. cned has to learn raze/neon or play flash instead of zyppan
SigmaMale [#57]People forgot that ardiis saved and carried fpx through group stage in copenhagen
people forget to watch his games outside of lan to realise he isnt that consistent of a fragger
symbols07 [#67]the thing is nrg would've gone for dicey if his buyout wasnt as expensive as moving ardiis to US. fu*k faze clan who has put their players in high buyouts and contract jail.
FaZe Clan winning Ascension LFG
symbols07 [#66]just watch what happened in emea games and then say. you being an nrg fan are now so biased by just watching his masters and champs games. sure he can continue his form, but its more than likely he'll perform worse than what cned does. i am just an emea fan, not a fan of ardiis or cned. rest is up to you to acknowledge
i am far from an nrg fan lmao. i am a gmb fan. i just know that ardiis is a beast. also u judge how good a player is with their recent performances especially the ones on lan. if a player is not performing on lan but has great online performances,they are literally made fun off as onliners lmao. u have go everything in reverse. ardiis is currently the 2nd best chamber in the world and there is no denying it unless u are blind and can't read the stats from the most recent games
BoF7ooM [#13]NRG will be pretty insane with ardiis. Only real concern should be s0m lol.
Also Acend almost beat FPX for the second time in stage 2. That icebox was just crazy throw from acend. Just goes to show how hard it is to qualify from EMEA, when a 2 month of team was beating and almost knocking out the champion of the tournament they would be qualifying to.
I think they'll be moving s0m into a different role such as smokes. I've felt like more recently s0m's duelist has lacked. He was already playing Omen on Icebox for NRG with the old roster, and his aim has never been the problem, it's always been him creating space and taking first duels. I think smokes would work well for him too because it allows him to let his pure aim take over and just deny space rather than take it.
symbols07 [#69]people forget to watch his games outside of lan to realise he isnt that consistent of a fragger
he did consistently well all the lans hes been
symbols07 [#69]people forget to watch his games outside of lan to realise he isnt that consistent of a fragger
LANs are the ones that matter
I feel like you look at the team wrong. It's not they wanted cNed over Ardiis, but rather Ardiis wanted another team and cNed is probably the next best guy. There are a few other names you could throw in, but cNed is easily T3 in terms of people to take Ardiis' spot. He is both an EMEA champion and World Champion. He is proven across multiple LANs and has a similar individual peak to Ardiis. I do think Ardiis fit the vibe that FPX established this year more than Charles Ned, but I don't think it's a downgrade. He is most likely a side-grade and we should be okay with that. This core was one of the best in the world this year and there is no reason to believe that will change next year.
NotASinner69 [#3]Everyone was saying it's a downgrade dude. But imo it's almost a perfect replacement.
we will see
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