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Riot are rushing out partnerships with Valorant pros in concern they will move back to CS when the new version of CS is released.
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wizardbot [#2]Lmfao no way im believing anything that comes out of Monte Cristo or Thorin's mouth lol
"no way I'm believing people who work with people behind the scenes"
smartest valorant frog
Mdkns [#4]"no way I'm believing people who work with people behind the scenes"
smartest valorant frog
the only thing thorin is behind is the discovery of a new type of brain rot
Mdkns [#4]"no way I'm believing people who work with people behind the scenes"
smartest valorant frog
and you're trying to bait the unaware fellas with the eternal source 2 promise lmao
Mdkns [#4]"no way I'm believing people who work with people behind the scenes"
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Ok then explain how is riot asking the orgs to fill out the partnership forms relevant to lets say tarik remaining in the valorant scene after source 2 comes out. Its obvious hes pulling words out of his ass, atleast give it a think lol. Yall believe anything as long as it helps you sleep at night
nutab1e [#5]the only thing thorin is behind is the discovery of a new type of brain rot
Thorin haters are complete morons who get mad at reality and cope in their little bubble!
Mdkns [#4]"no way I'm believing people who work with people behind the scenes"
smartest valorant frog
yeah believe stuff a guy said who thinks s1mple is overrated
crows [#10]yeah believe stuff a guy said who thinks s1mple is overrated
Just look at his twitter, ive never seen a guy mald and cry so much
Hewcho [#11]yeah if players thinking about career cs gonna be better option because still no damn crowd (okay it's coming in 2023) but the prize pool of S tier tourneys is so bad like masters prize pool 650k-700k and major 1m it has to be 1m in masters and 2m in major wdy think?
players dont care about prizepools mate. lul.
patuj [#14]Interesting if true. Really fucking hype actually. I think its already time for Source 2 and CSGO would get big boost again in social medias and they could try to conquer other like Asian markets with it as well. Would be massive for them and understandably Riot would be concerned.
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Mdkns [#15]players dont care about prizepools mate. lul.
what lmao why not? players and orgs get the money
Hewcho [#11]yeah if players thinking about career cs gonna be better option because still no damn crowd (okay it's coming in 2023) but the prize pool of S tier tourneys is so bad like masters prize pool 650k-700k and major 1m it has to be 1m in masters and 2m in major wdy think?
valorant players salaries are same as cs salaries in eu and actually more in na according to ange1. And its way more in japan, kr and apac because cs isnt even relevant there. No one cares about prizepools. If anyone switches to cs again it 'll will be because they like cs more or because of franchising limiting opportunities, not bcos of anything else
Mdkns [#17]"Tarik took 100k viewers directly to the IEM event"
Hilarious! Sponsors would literally hate this!
so he switched to watch the end of iem after the valorant matches were over? my god valorant is dead!
Mdkns [#13]"An esport wit 70% of its viewers coming from co-streams is terrible for sponsors and unhealthy"
Incredibly based and true
tell me how a wider reach of audience is terrible for sponsors
wizardbot [#16]#8
What you mean with that? Someone like Tarik would for sure start playing CSGO more if Source 2 came out if the difference was noticeable. Doesn't mean he would leave Valorant scene, but they are competitors. And even now he streamed Masters 2 over CSGO Cologne, but what in 1 year? Which does he prioritie?
And everyone knows Source 2 is coming eventually its just matter of when its happening. And that 100% keeps Riot concerned, because Valve knows Valorant has taken some of their potential playerbase and want it back. When Souce 2 hits its going to be a big thing and is going to effect Valorant in way or another.
And orgs may be less interest in investing if they know Valorant's popularity may take a hit and CSGO may become even bigger than what it is now. Even more worldwide.
Glycoroldas [#24]source 2 confirmed? big if true, holy fucking shit let's goooooo
yeah, it's been confirmed since 2016, but it never came
number1_MIBR_hater [#29]yeah, it's been confirmed since 2016, but it never came
better late than never, let's goooooo
patuj [#25]What you mean with that? Someone like Tarik would for sure start playing CSGO more if Source 2 came out if the difference was noticeable. Doesn't mean he would leave Valorant scene, but they are competitors. And even now he streamed Masters 2 over CSGO Cologne, but what in 1 year? Which does he prioritie?
And everyone knows Source 2 is coming eventually its just matter of when its happening. And that 100% keeps Riot concerned, because Valve knows Valorant has taken some of their potential playerbase and want it back. When Souce 2 hits its going to be a big thing and is going to effect Valorant in way or another.
And orgs may be less interest in investing if they know Valorant's popularity may take a hit and CSGO may become even bigger than what it is now. Even more worldwide.
Tarik has been prioritising Valorant co streams over CS since forever tf are you talking about?
Also monte is saying in the clip that he's hearing that riot is scared and they're rushing with partnerships but then later says that theyre scared that if they dont do contracts fast they'd lose the costreamers but how is costreamers even relevant to contracts signed by esports teams?
Deadpoool [#28]when did that happen
he called FalleN overrated, s1mple replied and they started to beef on twitter until Lhorin blocked s1mple
number1_MIBR_hater [#34]he called FalleN overrated, s1mple replied and they started to beef on twitter until Lhorin blocked s1mple
ok i remember this but i think crows got confused with s1mple and fallen coz thorin is a s1mple preacher from 2015
wizardbot [#32]Tarik has been prioritising Valorant co streams over CS since forever tf are you talking about?
Also monte is saying in the clip that he's hearing that riot is scared and they're rushing with partnerships but then later says that theyre scared that if they dont do contracts fast they'd lose the costreamers but how is costreamers even relevant to contracts signed by esports teams?
So? I'm not talking about the past when Tarik is Valorant streamer nowadays. Ofc he is going to prioritize Valorant right now plus he averages higher viewercount during those because CSGO doesn't rely on costreams unlike Valorant. Even financely its more worthy to costream Valorant right now over CSGO. But that may very well change if Source 2 brings a lot of new interest towards CSGO. Here's bunch of people who talk how they have never tried CSGO and something like this would be perfect time for these people to try CSGO and some of them would switch. Same happened to CSGO when Valorant came out.
And losing costreamers is bad for the game. Tarik alone has higher amount of viewers during his costreams than Valorant's official channel and decent amount of the costreamers combined. If Valorant esport loses interest then orgs lose interest in investing as well. So obviously Riot would want to lock in some of these big orgs just in case so they don't out of nowhere start focusing on CSGO instead. For example org like 100T could very well try to start conquering CSGO scene if Source 2 was a hit. And that would take away some of their resources from Valorant and social media space. Just example of 1 org.
holy fuck theres so many valo frogs coping here lmaoooo yall are so mad lay off the copium pls "no way im gonna believe this because it looks bad for valorant😡😡",but if someone like george leaked something like this you guys would be jerking of to the article and clowning cs chill with the double standards its so cringe and hypocritical
Mdkns [#13]"An esport wit 70% of its viewers coming from co-streams is terrible for sponsors and unhealthy"
Incredibly based and true
its not true because people watch watchparties to "watch with others", if there was no watchparties people would just watch the main stream lmaoo
Hewcho [#19]what lmao why not? players and orgs get the money
Players have salaries, orgs take the prize money
mauge67 [#42]holy fuck theres so many valo frogs coping here lmaoooo yall are so mad lay off the copium pls "no way im gonna believe this because it looks bad for valorant😡😡",but if someone like george leaked something like this you guys would be jerking of to the article and clowning cs chill with the double standards its so cringe and hypocritical
have you seen the comments on any post from Leorge Leddes? You live in a fantasy world
nutab1e [#46]have you seen the comments on any post from Leorge Leddes? You live in a fantasy world
what fantasy world,all i know that if the sides were swapped valo fanboys would believe it no matter who leaked it and clown cs but now they are all mad because they are bringing up shit that makes valo look bad
queueK [#44]if CS stays like CS, then CS's playerbase will stay like CS's playerbase. why would Riot care
it's been nearly two months since the application period started, I think calling it "rushed" is very odd. They're not evaluating 100-page theses.
was he talking about the franchising applications?
Mdkns [#9]Thorin haters are complete morons who get mad at reality and cope in their little bubble!
You fell off mdkns
HaSanity [#50]What’s this new cs engine about tho 👀
the same rumors making the rounds every few months but nothing ever happens
nutab1e [#53]the same rumors making the rounds every few months but nothing ever happens
Surely it’s real this time COPIUM
patuj [#37]So? I'm not talking about the past when Tarik is Valorant streamer nowadays. Ofc he is going to prioritize Valorant right now plus he averages higher viewercount during those because CSGO doesn't rely on costreams unlike Valorant. Even financely its more worthy to costream Valorant right now over CSGO. But that may very well change if Source 2 brings a lot of new interest towards CSGO. Here's bunch of people who talk how they have never tried CSGO and something like this would be perfect time for these people to try CSGO and some of them would switch. Same happened to CSGO when Valorant came out.
And losing costreamers is bad for the game. Tarik alone has higher amount of viewers during his costreams than Valorant's official channel and decent amount of the costreamers combined. If Valorant esport loses interest then orgs lose interest in investing as well. So obviously Riot would want to lock in some of these big orgs just in case so they don't out of nowhere start focusing on CSGO instead. For example org like 100T could very well try to start conquering CSGO scene if Source 2 was a hit. And that would take away some of their resources from Valorant and social media space. Just example of 1 org.
the interest in the new cs engine will last like a month at most, the game is still massively hostile to new players
tenzen [#51]sorry but noone of current "pro" have no chance in csgo :D they are just too bad!
jamppi and nivera would have a bright future if they went back, ethan would be decent maybe, if with the engine valve starts to care about developing other regions then I could see many NA pros go back even if they wouldnt be able to compete against EU, its a known fact many prefer csgo as a game but valorant is better as a job for NA
titanwithpp [#55]So according to you many people who got the chance to make a new name in Valorant would just leave that when "new cs engine" comes?
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jawn [#48]was he talking about the franchising applications?
yeah what he said was something like riot are shitting themselves so they're pumping out the applications and rushing orgs to sign up
which isn't really true
queueK [#61]yeah what he said was something like riot are shitting themselves so they're pumping out the applications and rushing orgs to sign up
which isn't really true
that sounds dumb as shit, why would the franchising system have anything to do with the new cs engine? every org is dying to enter the riot competitive ecosystem
Hewcho [#11]yeah if players thinking about career cs gonna be better option because still no damn crowd (okay it's coming in 2023) but the prize pool of S tier tourneys is so bad like masters prize pool 650k-700k and major 1m it has to be 1m in masters and 2m in major wdy think?
??? didnt you see riot adding a whole bundle in game to give to the participating teams? it earned like 15 mil and half of it went to champions team, which meant each team had around 500k what prize pool are you talking about. almost all players competing dont care this much about prize pool. and especially if the difference is literally of some few 100k
hiimnsk [#43]its not true because people watch watchparties to "watch with others", if there was no watchparties people would just watch the main stream lmaoo
exactly, i like to watch tarik when i dont care about the teams playing much and want to enjoy, i watch my favorite team on the yt stream so i dont miss anything in game, watch party is just an add on
Hewcho [#11]yeah if players thinking about career cs gonna be better option because still no damn crowd (okay it's coming in 2023) but the prize pool of S tier tourneys is so bad like masters prize pool 650k-700k and major 1m it has to be 1m in masters and 2m in major wdy think?
common bulgaria W
From what I've learned, Monte and Thorin (and RLewis previously but he's not in the game anymore) are people whose advice/criticism should be almost always taken with a grain of salt and the core message of what they're saying should really be analyzed more than their dramatics that come after it, which is what people tend to hang on to than the core message.
His point that a lot of people are going to go back and play CS once the game releases on Source2? Quite valid. Does it mean that there's suddenly going to be a massive exodus of players like what people were saying about CS when Valorant came out? Unlikely in my opinion. Source2 for CS doesn't mean Valve suddenly overhauls everything in terms of cheaters, ranked ladder quality, the esports ecosystem in NA being in a poor state, etc.
If people play Valorant as their 'main' game, then they'll stick with it. If they want to go back to CS, that's their choice. All I see are people trying to stoke the flames of the CS vs Val argument because they think they've got something to prove when both titles are successful and enjoyable in their own right.
Hudsen [#67]From what I've learned, Monte and Thorin (and RLewis previously but he's not in the game anymore) are people whose advice/criticism should be almost always taken with a grain of salt and the core message of what they're saying should really be analyzed more than their dramatics that come after it, which is what people tend to hang on to than the core message.
His point that a lot of people are going to go back and play CS once the game releases on Source2? Quite valid. Does it mean that there's suddenly going to be a massive exodus of players like what people were saying about CS when Valorant came out? Unlikely in my opinion. Source2 for CS doesn't mean Valve suddenly overhauls everything in terms of cheaters, ranked ladder quality, the esports ecosystem in NA being in a poor state, etc.
If people play Valorant as their 'main' game, then they'll stick with it. If they want to go back to CS, that's their choice. All I see are people trying to stoke the flames of the CS vs Val argument because they think they've got something to prove when both titles are successful and enjoyable in their own right.
hudsen want to date me?
Hewcho [#11]yeah if players thinking about career cs gonna be better option because still no damn crowd (okay it's coming in 2023) but the prize pool of S tier tourneys is so bad like masters prize pool 650k-700k and major 1m it has to be 1m in masters and 2m in major wdy think?
i think it is more about the lack of LAN tournaments, 3 tournaments a year is ass
duchesssx [#22]so he switched to watch the end of iem after the valorant matches were over? my god valorant is dead!
No more matches=dead game obviously. There need to matches 24/7
crows [#10]yeah believe stuff a guy said who thinks s1mple is overrated
i don't want to defend him but the stuff with s1mple and fallen are an opinion, while here he's just reporting information
Valgod [#45]Players have salaries, orgs take the prize money
not really, players usually get most of trny winnings, depends on the contracts of each team, and its different. some players get screwed. your comment is really uninformed sorry to say
symbols07 [#65]exactly, i like to watch tarik when i dont care about the teams playing much and want to enjoy, i watch my favorite team on the yt stream so i dont miss anything in game, watch party is just an add on
Absolute facts rare thing on this site
Mdkns [#9]Thorin haters are complete morons who get mad at reality and cope in their little bubble!
Esportee
arecyc [#38]so many salty val players ,dont worry guys you still have a few more months of enjoying val before it dies,enjoy!
Just writing a reminder to come back here after a few months to see if val died kekw
Hewcho [#19]what lmao why not? players and orgs get the money
literally every succesfull T1 Player says Prize money is a nice "bonus" they get paid 30k+ a month do you think they care about 400k split 6 ways ?
jawn [#57]the interest in the new cs engine will last like a month at most, the game is still massively hostile to new players
the only hostile thing about CS is the MM system, everyone can pickup CS and understand the basics in a few hours
idkbro [#56]csgo new version coming out in august? I hope but seems false, it would have been leaked by now, how is he talking that confidently out of his ass tho
there have been multiple leaks
Mdkns [#9]Thorin haters are complete morons who get mad at reality and cope in their little bubble!
stfu, and go to suck I´m esports´ dick... I mean fear towards women´s dick... I mean thorin´s dick.
ValulrantLUL [#77]literally every succesfull T1 Player says Prize money is a nice "bonus" they get paid 30k+ a month do you think they care about 400k split 6 ways ?
well in csgo when u win a major u win 1milion and let's say 500k to the org and 100k to each player. It's not small amount right? But in valorant champions the winner only get 350k from a 1m prize pool, the thing riot did was actually to drop a champions bundle and raised total 15milion and only 7.5 milion goes to the teams (all of them) each team gets 468.750 dollars. In csgo there's stickers that orgs earn money from, so the prize pool in tourneys is important i think not for all but masters and champions should have a decent amount of prize pool.
I'll tell you all now. This is bullshit.
There isn't a new version of CS coming anytime soon. What's happening is CSGO will be moved to Source 2 Engine. This is not a new game, it's 99% a backend change to move the game onto the most up to date source engine.
It won't look any different, it probably won't even feel different. It most certainly won't be packaged and released as a new game either.
In fact, CSGO will probably get slightly worse (in the short term) due to new bugs associated with being on a new engine while they need to fix things.
We are still many years away from a "new" counterstrike game. If you think the current game running on a cleaner / more up to date engine, is enough to cause an exodus from valorant, you are smoking heroin. It is NOT going to be a new game.
I love CSGO, but those guys are just talking out their asses.
Everyone does know that source 2 doesn't mean shit for CSGO right? The only thing that source 2 does is make different (but similar) calculations on physics, graphics and movement.
CSGO won't magically become a new game with a port to source 2. The only way that source 2 means a huge difference is if volvo decides to MAKE new changes on top of a Source 2 port.
People always seem to think source2 is this magical new thing - it really isn't. You could port csgo 1:1 onto source 2 and only have minor differences due to the way the engine works.
ValulrantLUL [#78]the only hostile thing about CS is the MM system, everyone can pickup CS and understand the basics in a few hours
you can do that in valorant too, while also being offered a more begginer friendly experience with an apparent progression in skills
hiimnsk [#43]its not true because people watch watchparties to "watch with others", if there was no watchparties people would just watch the main stream lmaoo
That just isn't true. It's literally proven that once Shroud stopped doing a watch party. Those viewers didn't come back.
hekzy [#89]That just isn't true. It's literally proven that once Shroud stopped doing a watch party. Those viewers didn't come back.
lmfao that wasnt shroud, sentinels fans never came back coz the team was and is so shit, there are some sentinels only fan who didnt come, and still without them valorant has managed to peak 1mil viewers
hekzy [#89]That just isn't true. It's literally proven that once Shroud stopped doing a watch party. Those viewers didn't come back.
Obviously there’s people that watch the watchparties just for that streamer but I genuinely doubt thats the majority of viewers
hiimnsk [#91]Obviously there’s people that watch the watchparties just for that streamer but I genuinely doubt thats the majority of viewers
with shroud it feels like that was 50% of the viewership tbh, he used to hit like 450k viewers.
idkbro [#59]jamppi and nivera would have a bright future if they went back, ethan would be decent maybe, if with the engine valve starts to care about developing other regions then I could see many NA pros go back even if they wouldnt be able to compete against EU, its a known fact many prefer csgo as a game but valorant is better as a job for NA
i dont think nivera or jamppi can compete anymore. CSGO pro scene is actually very punishing
kapteN [#87]Everyone does know that source 2 doesn't mean shit for CSGO right? The only thing that source 2 does is make different (but similar) calculations on physics, graphics and movement.
CSGO won't magically become a new game with a port to source 2. The only way that source 2 means a huge difference is if volvo decides to MAKE new changes on top of a Source 2 port.
People always seem to think source2 is this magical new thing - it really isn't. You could port csgo 1:1 onto source 2 and only have minor differences due to the way the engine works.
factsssss
Hudsen [#67]From what I've learned, Monte and Thorin (and RLewis previously but he's not in the game anymore) are people whose advice/criticism should be almost always taken with a grain of salt and the core message of what they're saying should really be analyzed more than their dramatics that come after it, which is what people tend to hang on to than the core message.
His point that a lot of people are going to go back and play CS once the game releases on Source2? Quite valid. Does it mean that there's suddenly going to be a massive exodus of players like what people were saying about CS when Valorant came out? Unlikely in my opinion. Source2 for CS doesn't mean Valve suddenly overhauls everything in terms of cheaters, ranked ladder quality, the esports ecosystem in NA being in a poor state, etc.
If people play Valorant as their 'main' game, then they'll stick with it. If they want to go back to CS, that's their choice. All I see are people trying to stoke the flames of the CS vs Val argument because they think they've got something to prove when both titles are successful and enjoyable in their own right.
The issue here is that both Valorant and CS are fundamentally very flawed, CS as a game and Valorant as an esport. They have a lot of shit to improve on but have 0 pressure from either community. Because either community is using the opposing game as a scapegoat. You say something bad about CS you are a "valulrante" player. You say something bad about Riot, you're a "cs frog." In the end, both games are suffering.
From my experience (could be biased, not into CSGO much anymore) Valorant is suffering the most from it. I've repeatedly tried criticizing Riot in terms of their eSports management and repeatedly I've had to deal with stubborn people in denial. There's so much shit that is wrong and it shows: from costreams, to formats, to production quality, to bad/uninterested casters, to bad/uninterested players. In the end, the results are staggering: From an average of 800k viewers every international we are down to 280k(!!!!!!!!).
But no, if you point these things out, you're a "cs frog." And Riot gets away with it scott-free, without spending a dime or dropping a single sweat.
kapteN [#87]Everyone does know that source 2 doesn't mean shit for CSGO right? The only thing that source 2 does is make different (but similar) calculations on physics, graphics and movement.
CSGO won't magically become a new game with a port to source 2. The only way that source 2 means a huge difference is if volvo decides to MAKE new changes on top of a Source 2 port.
People always seem to think source2 is this magical new thing - it really isn't. You could port csgo 1:1 onto source 2 and only have minor differences due to the way the engine works.
true
hekzy [#93]i dont think nivera or jamppi can compete anymore. CSGO pro scene is actually very punishing
jamppi could 100%, generational talent imo and he is now finally showing how good he really is in 2022
idkbro [#97]jamppi could 100%, generational talent imo and he is now finally showing how good he really is in 2022
nah fam, you have to understand he was struggling in ENCE when they were tier2. Now he wouldn't even be accepted in HAVU.
hekzy [#98]nah fam, you have to understand he was struggling in ENCE when they were tier2. Now he wouldn't even be accepted in HAVU.
he was putting 1.00 rating playing as entry fragger you moron, put him on the awp or star roles and he will be good, his performance was actually good considering he had never entryfragged and his team was dogshit
Hewcho [#82]well in csgo when u win a major u win 1milion and let's say 500k to the org and 100k to each player. It's not small amount right? But in valorant champions the winner only get 350k from a 1m prize pool, the thing riot did was actually to drop a champions bundle and raised total 15milion and only 7.5 milion goes to the teams (all of them) each team gets 468.750 dollars. In csgo there's stickers that orgs earn money from, so the prize pool in tourneys is important i think not for all but masters and champions should have a decent amount of prize pool.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, 1st Place for the Major is 500k, the ORG usually takes 10-15% and the rest is split 6 ways
there are team and player stickers, teams sticker money obvisoulsy goes to teams and player sticker money to Players, the Sticker money for Players pays 5-10x what the winnings pays, so they really dont care about the prize money
hekzy [#95]The issue here is that both Valorant and CS are fundamentally very flawed, CS as a game and Valorant as an esport. They have a lot of shit to improve on but have 0 pressure from either community. Because either community is using the opposing game as a scapegoat. You say something bad about CS you are a "valulrante" player. You say something bad about Riot, you're a "cs frog." In the end, both games are suffering.
From my experience (could be biased, not into CSGO much anymore) Valorant is suffering the most from it. I've repeatedly tried criticizing Riot in terms of their eSports management and repeatedly I've had to deal with stubborn people in denial. There's so much shit that is wrong and it shows: from costreams, to formats, to production quality, to bad/uninterested casters, to bad/uninterested players. In the end, the results are staggering: From an average of 800k viewers every international we are down to 280k(!!!!!!!!).
But no, if you point these things out, you're a "cs frog." And Riot gets away with it scott-free, without spending a dime or dropping a single sweat.
gigatroll statistics
Valorant never had 800k average lmfao that's like mobile game or Worlds tier shit. it was always 300-400k.
Mbappe [#23]tell me how a wider reach of audience is terrible for sponsors
Lol. Exactly. Dumbazz takes.
kapteN [#87]Everyone does know that source 2 doesn't mean shit for CSGO right? The only thing that source 2 does is make different (but similar) calculations on physics, graphics and movement.
CSGO won't magically become a new game with a port to source 2. The only way that source 2 means a huge difference is if volvo decides to MAKE new changes on top of a Source 2 port.
People always seem to think source2 is this magical new thing - it really isn't. You could port csgo 1:1 onto source 2 and only have minor differences due to the way the engine works.
Look no further than Dota 2 Reborn - It's basically Dota 2 being ported over to Source 2. Besides new physics, graphics, and mechanics, it's still Dota 2. Just a bit fresher and shinier.
Matrix13e [#3]Monte Cristo and Thorin the valorant haters LMAO they hate valorant lmao cry and cope cs bots "new csgo" soon lmao copium is at the high just go and get some bitches thorin and Monte
I don't think Thorin hates valorant, I'm pretty sure he's started a valorant podcast with geo
queueK [#101]gigatroll statistics
Valorant never had 800k average lmfao that's like mobile game or Worlds tier shit. it was always 300-400k.
You're right, I got confused with peak viewership. But the numbers mason: 1.1m peak 480k average VS 480k peak 280k average. That is a massive dropoff.
idkbro [#99]he was putting 1.00 rating playing as entry fragger you moron, put him on the awp or star roles and he will be good, his performance was actually good considering he had never entryfragged and his team was dogshit
That was a year ago. He hasn't played CS in a year. You can't just come back like that he is gonna get eaten.
hekzy [#108]That was a year ago. He hasn't played CS in a year. You can't just come back like that he is gonna get eaten.
obviously lol, are you braindead? I am assuming you would understand he would need some time to readjust and see whats meta nowadays but he didnt lose his skill, I can asure you jamppi would be way better than awpers like hades if you give him enough time to get used to competitive cs again
idkbro [#109]obviously lol, are you braindead? I am assuming you would understand he would need some time to readjust and see whats meta nowadays but he didnt lose his skill, I can asure you jamppi would be way better than awpers like hades if you give him enough time to get used to competitive cs again
hell nah, hell nah better than hades. HELL NAH
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