Sayf Ult/OPTECH Gaming/FNATECH
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| Registered: | April 3, 2022 |
| Last post: | August 27, 2025 at 3:49 AM |
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Boaster has had 4.5 great years (2021-present)
FNS has had 3 great years (2021-2023)
Saadhak has had you could say 2.5-3.5 great years (mid 2021-early 2024 + maybe a lil bit for some KC stuff)
Ange1 has had 2.5-3.0 great years (early 2020-early 2021, 2022-mid 2024)
Alfajer > Leo all time
this is obvious. Leo hasnt even played for 1.5 years now
Leo is getting so overrated in all time rankings cuz of that one commend video its insane
Yes, he is the best player to have on any team. But all time, there are other players who rank higher due to more time in VCT and more success
he doesnt suck. All of u are affected by recency bias like crazy
Just cuz he performed worse in 2025 due to being IGL doesnt mean he isnt insane
???
Sayf has never choked other than on IGL
wdym
also imagine we could get Sayf x Leo duo again
when Boaster retires after winning champs:
no more sayf
it is impossible bro
botality now has nubs and nobodies like Unfake and KovaQ
if he had to, playing smokes wont be hard for him when he has already played viper + astra, is IGLing, and has the best lurks
but they still made events
NAVI went from tier 1 -> tier EMEA bums
wdym?
When I say they had map advantages and had close games, that means that Asia vs West isnt dominant yet and it is close.
How is that a bad take?
better than nothing or bias from people like you lmfao
Also MVP on the losing team doesn't mean a thing to be honest, if you're not winning you ain't deserve shitIm not saying it means shit. Im comparing their best performances (and Chronicle has more). It is a fact. Also apparently, according to liquipedia, Chronicle is the MVP of Berlin 2021. Idk if the MVPs pre-franchising are official or not (some of them seem way off what people actually thought at the time) https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics (scroll down)
To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14
Best performances:
Berlin 2021: MVP according to liquipedia. But most people believe he was the 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
5 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.
Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: #2 player of the year (after GMB nAts)
2022: N/A
2023: #6 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke)
2024: #12 player of the year (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo, Zmjjkk)
2025: ~#5 player of the year so far (after Alfajer, F0rsaken, Meteor, Trent. Debatable: Derke, T3xture)
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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14
Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)
International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.
Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: N/A
2022: #13 player of the year (after Yay, MaKo, Sacy, pAncada, Shao, Derke, Aspas, Suygetsu, Marved, Less, Crashies, Alfajer)
2023: #18 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke, Chronicle, Jawgemo, Less, d4v41, Sayf, Ethan, something, cNed, Zmjjkk, s0m, Shao, MaKo)
2024: N/A
2025: ~#1-#3 player of the year (convo: F0rsaken, Alfajer, Meteor)
0 debate, Chronicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F0rsaken
thas like telling americas fans to believe EMEA is great since FNATIC keeps doing very good
EDG is the only team to do anything notable. Wolves just had a flukey run and will only be a team ppl care to notice if they can get a top 4 twice
if u think about it, Wolves kinda beat easy to beat teams though:
then, they got shit on by paper rex and fnatic
worst 2 moves in Valorant history:
putting Less > Alfajer today is straight up delusional
even late 2024, Alfajer was still better all time
incomparable
all time success: Alfajer > Leo for now yes
that's like saying Chronicle (Initiator) from 2021 is not a top 4-5 all time initiator with Leo, Sacy, Crashies, and Shao just because he switched to flex
suygetsu is still top 5 all time and Suygetsu has a tournament MVP as well btw
hijack:
all time top sentinels:
Alfajer is:
i dont wanna do a whole glaze post but Alfajer clears by a lot now
the debate is now between Alfajer and nAts with Alfajer prob slightly edging it out in aim but nAts edging it out in the sentinel role
Alfa ~ Nats > Less
all 3 are really good and all 3 are top 10 players of all time
ngl all 3 in one team would be insane:
Alfa - Flex Duelist
nAts - IGL + Smokes
Less - Sentinel + Viper
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u can extend FPX/NAVI 2022-2024 (the only change was ardiis -> cNed -> ardiis again)
same for Fnatic (only the initiators changed, but the core was the same). You can do (FNC 2022-2025)
also nice bias of TL over sen even tho placement wise they shouldn't be XD
W noticed.
90% of my takes are good bro
there is a just a tiny little bit of EMEA bias sprinkled on em
I wish they added team rankings like HLTV (Counter-Strike)
hijack better list (Regionals dont matter):
2025:
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FNATIC 3-0'd them (and they didnt even look like they were trying)
3 players in top 5 stats btw
and FNATIC were just so ahead of everyone else
bro this list sucks. mine is better: (This list is if there was a tournament today between the teams - not the actual dominance)
LOCK//IN
either we weigh EWC below all VCT
or
higher than all VCT
Top 4 first strike: EU (best region btw)
Top 4 Masters 1: EU (best region btw)
but this doesnt matter since even without it, FPX(EMEA)/NAVI > Gambit all time
the early dominance just adds a little bit (not much and doesnt matter much)
FPX(EMEA)/NAVI are still easily above Gambit/Gen.G/Edg/Acend all time for now
some early dominance in 2020 valorant and:
realistic 4 international top 4s (actual 3). This number of top 4s is only below FNC, PRX, ENVY/OPTC/NRG, and LOUD
they also had an almost equivalent FNC 2023 run, but in 2022 (wouldve happened if not for UKR-RUS war)
also they r better than the teams below them easily
would make this stuff too complicated (also they are quite a bit different compared to the examples below)
VS/DRX, FPX(EMEA)/NAVI and ENVY/OPTC/NRG are the only easy ones to do
11-17 are definitely not better at all
T1 is the only lower one since it was a kickoff masters and that is the only thing T1 has ever accomplished basically
bro forgot Fnatic history
only debatable is LOUD, NV/OPTC, SEN vs PRX
that was Americas (obviously shit and gonna lose)
3-2 GENG, TH
3-2 EDG, TH
3-1 PRX, FNC
all 3, Asia had map advantages
Asia isnt even close to dominant right now/yet. relax
it doesnt matter
they are interchangeable
With stuff like Unfake and some random nobodies
Hell nah
my goat Sayf isnt there
too boring becuz they are so "rootable" + easy to root for
ALL TIME SUCCESS (2020-2025)
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I have no choice but to switch from EMEA right now
either the teams are too good to root for (FNATIC, LIQUID)
or okay, but too bum (NAVI, VITALITY, HERETICS)
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