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🏆🏆KARMINE CORP AND CHAADHAK WILL WIN CHAMPIONS 2025 PARIS 🏆🏆
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YOU do know that in GenG vs TH, EDG vs TH, and PRX vs FNC, Asia had map ban advantages (that definitely severely impacted the results - talked about every time.
These games were all close (3-2, 3-2, 3-1) and couldve gone towards EMEA's way easily.
Asia is not dominant right now/yet
PAC > EMEA > AMER & CN
this is such an obvious ranking^ for 2025
mostly cuz ppl know the OP post list is a joke and that I took it seriously
forget this lol
Toronto: EMEA = AMER in placements (FNC is 2 higher than G2, TL is 2 lower than SEN, TH and MIBR are equal)
plus EMEA is better than AMER since FNC>G2, TL > SEN anyways, and TH>MIBR. EMEA is also 11-3 AMER in elimination games in the last 5 events (2024-2025)
and u forgot that MIBR is 12th, TH is 11th (rounds-wise)
KK is not close to player of the year in 2024
that is insane to say
Toronto Ranking:
EWC ATTENDEES:
G2 SEN NRG 100T, FNC TH KC BBL, GEN.G RRQ PRX DRX, XLG BLG EDG TITAN
thank:
Boaster is still the reason why FNATIC is the GOAT team, but cmonnnn bruhhh.
insane copium
if PRX had beat FPX(EMEA), you would never say that
everything you said makes sense except:
kk > t3xture in 2024Memory loss??
Zmjjkk didnt do anything until Champs 2024 playoffs (a pretty small part of the year)
Zmjjkk was realistically around the #11 overall player of 2024. No where close to the top (after T3Xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo)
you are forgetting that EMEA has the same amount of grand finals appearances as PACIFIC in the last 3 events
the West didnt fall off. Asia just got 4 really close trophy wins (GEN.G 3-2 TH, EDG 3-2 TH, T1 3-2 G2, PRX 3-1 FNC)
GEN.G, EDG, and PRX all had map advantages as well
5 EMEA and AMER > 3 relax
CN 1 Champs > PAC 0 Champs kkkkk
PACcers need to humble down. Arent even close yet.
ikr. Americas is the worst region
Last 4 Events:
Trophies:
PAC > EMEA & CN > AMER
no
0/8 but:
https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/
Overall:
Chronicle/Derke
2021:
nAts (2nd: Chronicle, 3rd: cNed, 4th: TenZ)
2022:
Yay
2023:
Leo (2nd: Alfajer, 3rd: Demon1)
2024:
T3Xture (Zmjjkk is not even close)
2025:
so far between Meteor/Alfajer/F0rsaken/maybe Derke/maybe t3xture/maybe nAts
edit: im being downfragged for the truth.
Chronicle has been that X factor type of guy for like 1.5 years out of his 5 years of Tier 1 (Gambit 2021, FNC July 2024-June 2025 so far)
you forgot all of Gambit 2021. and havent seen much of Chronicle July 2024-present
From 2022-early 2024, he was still pretty good (pop off in Tokyo), but he had to play tons of Sage (spike planter) for Fnatic. As soon as Leo was gone and Chron was back on recon initiator + Viper/Sentinel, he was insane again (winning Fnatic many rounds)
ill see maybe in like 10 minutes ill do it
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Alfajer +28 in FK:FD in the tournament = to Demon1's peak performance
Alfajer was robbed
Knowing that i made these lists with actually 0.1 bias, im pretty sure there was a reason. maybe stats idk
edit: I rechecked and have put him at 19 now that I thought about it
community feedback makes the list better!
Oh you want to fully realize:
fk it is 28
someone told me it was 40 and i believed em
EMEA vs AMERICAS:
Series: 47-40
Maps: 119-100
EMEA vs PACIFIC:
Series: 34-26
Maps: 84-72
EMEA vs CHINA:
Series: 13-10
Maps: 33-27
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AMERICAS vs PACIFIC:
Series: 46-35
Maps: 116-93
AMERICAS vs CHINA:
Series: 15-7
Maps: 34-19
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PACIFIC vs CHINA:
Series: 13-6
Maps: 30-18
some Specific (NA, KR, APAC):
EMEA vs NA:
SERIES: 23-27, MAPS: 65-63
EMEA vs KR:
SERIES: 13-13, MAPS: 36-35
EMEA vs APAC:
SERIES: 15-11, MAPS: 35-33
NA vs PAC:
SERIES: NA 31-18 PAC
+28 in FK:FD in the event btw
which is equal to the peak Demon1 performance (one-time eventer). And FNC lost the finals. Imagine they won (not choking quite a few rounds)
most insane heist in Valorant history
Derke: https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2281/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
Aspas: https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2282/valorant-masters-toronto-2025
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hijack:
FNC Mistic team flash in Reykjavik 2021 finals (the last round) is easily the round "you cant watch" and beats all other rounds in this conversation
yes Marved was good (bro was insane with Prime Vandal) but Yay easily cleared him in the MVP role for Reykjavik 2022.
Marved doesnt make sense there
im afraid the guy who had a strat made for avoiding his site wasnt in the finals or top 4 sadly. (12-7 choke)
There was not an official mvp before franchising
I was there during 2021-2022. and there never was an official one
Also the list has Marved instead of Yay are Reykjavik 2021 mvp. Immediately worrying.
TOP 2:
14 International VCT Events (2021-2025)
14/14:
13/14:
12/14:
11/14:
10/14:
9/14:
8/14:
7/14:
6/14:
5/14:
4/14: FNATIC
3/14: ENVY/OPTC/NRG, LOUD, PAPER REX
2/14: GAMBIT, TEAM HERETICS, EVIL GENIUSES, SENTINELS, GEN.G
1/14: ACEND, FPX(EU)/NAVI, THE GUARD/G2(NA) T1(KR), EDWARD GAMING
TOP 4:
14 International VCT Events (2021-2025)
14/14:
13/14:
12/14:
11/14:
10/14:
9/14:
8/14:
7/14:
6/14: FNATIC, PAPER REX
5/14: ENVY/OPTC/NRG, LOUD
4/14: realistic FPX(EU)/NAVI
3/14: FPX(EU)/NAVI, SENTINELS, THE GUARD/G2(NA)
2/14: GAMBIT, TEAM HERETICS, TEAM LIQUID, 100T, EVIL GENIUSES, VS/DRX, GEN.G, EDWARD GAMING
1/14: ACEND, G2(EU), VIT, KRU, LEVIATAN, T1(KR), NUTURN, ZETA, WOLVES ESPORTS
TOP 6:
14/15 International VCT Events (2021-2025)
14/14:
13/14:
12/14:
11/14:
10/14:
9/14: FNATIC
8/14: VS/DRX
7/14: PAPER REX
6/14: ENVY/OPTIC/NRG
5/14: LOUD, EDWARD GAMING
4/14: TEAM LIQUID, SENTINELS, realistic FPX(EU)/NAVI
3/14: FPX(EU)/NAVI, TGRD/G2(NA), GEN.G
2/14: ACEND, GAMBIT, G2(EU), TEAM HERETICS, EVIL GENIUSES, 100 THIEVES, LEVIATAN, X10/TALON
1/14: VIT, FUT, KARMINE CORP, XSET, V1, TEAM VIKINGS, KRU, T1, NUTURN, ZETA, WOLVES ESPORTS
INTERNATIONAL VCT QUALIFICATION:
Includes LOCK//IN || Updated until Masters Toronto (199 slots)
14/14:
13:
12:
11: FNATIC, PAPER REX
10: VS/DRX
9: TEAM LIQUID, KRU
8: ENVY/OPTC/NRG, SEN, EDG
7: LOUD, X10/XIA/TLN
6: FPX(EU)/NAVI
5: FUT, TEAM HERETICS, TGRD/G2(NA), LEV, GEN.G, T1, ZETA, FPX(CN)
4: 100T
3: VIT, EG, FUR, BREN/SECRET, CR, BLG
2: KC, GMB, ACE, G2(EU), GIANTS/GX, C9, XSET, VIKINGS, KEYD, MIBR, RRQ, TRACE
1: SMB, GUILD, KOI, BBL, V1, NIP, SHARKS, LIBERTY, GE, FULLSENSE, BOOM, NUTURN, F4Q, NTH, DFM, ASE, DRG, XLG, WOL
CHAMPS QUALIFICATION:
VCT Teams Champions Qualification Count:
4/4: FNATIC, KRU, VS/DRX
3/4: TEAM LIQUID, ENVY/OPTIC/NRG, PRX, X10/XERXIA/TALON, EDG
2/4: FPX(EU)/NATUS VINCERE, FUT, SENTINELS, FURIA, LOUD, LEVIATAN, ZETA, FPX, BLG
1/4: GIANTS/GX, VITALITY, HERETICS, GAMBIT, ACEND, G2(NA)/TGRD, C9, 100T, EVIL GENIUSES, XSET, TEAM VIKINGS, VIVO KEYD, GEN.G, T1(KR), CRAZY RACCOON, TEAM SECRET, FULL SENSE, BOOM, TRACE
ye i put him already
Idk why i forgot about him
Not officially
Liquipedia pre-franchising is not official (its written by some random editor)
no MVPs were official until franchising
also Aspas has no place in being that MVP (there isnt even 1 argument)
Ik Derke was pretty good during Champs 2021 but he isnt the finals and so thas why im not debating about that.
Yay didnt do too much in finals though
Also the talk at the time was Envy getting the easiest group despite being 1st seed (they did) which inflated yay's stats
Bro arguably has no HM and you still say ts, your glaze knows no boundgo watch Chronicle Berlin 2021 finals only clips (there are like 20). saying that ^ is INSANE
Overall MVP of 2021: Gambit nAts
Overall MVP of 2022: Optic Yay
Overall MVP of 2023: Fnatic Leo
Overall MVP of 2024: Gen.G T3xture
Overall MVP of 2021-Present: Gambit / Fnatic Chronicle
well actually. 2/48 statements would have to be false (TS and the actual winner)
toronto grand final aint that high in the finals rankings
ended too quickly
bro please end the Fa, fuj, fudge ALfajer jokes please bro
To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14
Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the series overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.
Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: #2 player of the year (after GMB nAts)
2022: N/A
2023: #6 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke)
2024: #12 player of the year (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo, Zmjjkk)
2025: ~#4 player of the year so far (after Kaajak, F0rsaken, Alfajer. Debatable: Meteor, Trent, Derke, T3xture)
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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14
Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)
International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.
Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: N/A
2022: #13 player of the year (after Yay, MaKo, Sacy, pAncada, Shao, Derke, Aspas, Suygetsu, Marved, Less, Crashies, Alfajer)
2023: #18 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke, Chronicle, Jawgemo, Less, d4v41, Sayf, Ethan, something, cNed, Zmjjkk, s0m, Shao, MaKo)
2024: N/A
2025: ~#1-#3 player of the year (convo: F0rsaken, Alfajer, Kaajak)
0 debate, Chronicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F0rsaken
if FNATIC win champs, Boaster can retire and Chronicle can solidify himself as the GOAT (no convo) with many more years in pro play still remaining for him
just need that champs for EMEA. come on
Heretics law
TL patitek whiffing
FNC somehow losing an impossible to lose 5v2
it all makes sense now
Alfajer went +40 FK:FD this tournament by the way
that is enough to be given 3 mvp bracelets
FNATIC vs MIBR
or even:
KC vs MIBR (Saadhak vs Aspas - French City (French Team: Karmine Corp))
would go insane
Team Heretics (Heretics law of losing to 1st and 3rd place)
TL Patitek (for that whiff)
PRX Boaster (for canceling out with Alfajer)
that was 1v2 even if u consider the guy dying
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