Ya if they finish 7th for Tokyo then I agree they should replace him, but the transfer window is closed and he's had 4 games to IGL so far. If they could magically get Valyn then ya I'd love that for them, but why are people calling for his head before he even has a chance to play it out. They played LEV REALLY WELL today. Had a chance to 2-0 them and took them to 3 games. Thats a top 2-3 NA team. Give him a chance for christs sake.

bro thinks hes a profit for saying a top 3 team in Americas would beat SEN on their best map and arguably the best in the world at the map

thats such a stupid argument tho because u can say that but there's no actual way to prove it. Sacy has never IGLed yet people want to say he's better than Dephh right away. You know what happens when sacy comes into IGL? They'll struggle and then people will be calling for his head. People just love to overreact and then stick to narritives

i mean his agent pool is extremely unique in this current meta not many people can say their top 3 in their region on a duelist and on sova

He's the Zekken of the world no one plays similar to him, maybe Nukkye

Taco has been extremely mediocre people just have a SEN hate boner so despite them having a completely even 1-1 game the only people getting hate are Dephh and Tenz

LEV is a top 2-3 team in Americas and he's taken a map and gone to OT on the other. What does this guy have to do to even garner a little bit of respect. I know he's struggled and should be held accountable but people preferring no IGL over him are just straight dumb.

best player NA u mean

damn u look really dumb rn after that map

So clutch and using util so well. Unironically think with a bit more time he ends up being the second best in Americas

like they're both currently the best performing players on the team IDK how u guys can be watching this game and want them on any different agents. If anything is going wrong for them its bad post plants and Tenz underperforming.

no he's not, him and Zekken are very similar level of skill on the agent but he brings aggression which is what the sova role should be on ascent. Omen is an easy agent to play on that map and fits Sacy's playstyle better. As much as sacy is a great sova player I feel much better about doing this than moving Leo or Shao off of it on ascent because of their playstyle.

between him and Victor they cover every agent with a bit of problems at Jett but honestly Victor and Zekken can both play her fine.

are u watching this game? Zekken is an absurdly good sova and gives much needed aggression to a usually passive agent.

APAC is DRX>>Gen.G>>> everyone else so it's not them
EMEA is FNC>>> NAVI>> everyone else but imo the everyone else is much better than APAC. I know Navi lost to KOI but lets be real they are still the number 2 team, but FUT VIT TL and GIA are all good
Americas has Loud who is still the best but teams are playing them better than FNC and DRX, and Furia LEV NRG MIBR and C9 all look genuinely competitive. I feel like its no debate as to which league is most entertaining and competitive.

Asuna Zekken and Victor are pretty much all equal. I think I give the slight edge to Victor because he was better in late 2022 and they all seem equal rn. Also gonna add to this with an edit but Corey is still amazing on Raze and is probably top 5 he's just not great on others and OXY is for sure next up with the best Raze's in NA.

NRG still have a ton of potential, seems like they're roles are still a little wonky but I think they know what comps they wanna run its just about putting the right players on the right roles. Victor is cooking rn on duelists and crashies and s0m both still look very good on their main roles. It's just about getting Ardiis on Jett and sage and not Raze, and having FNS flex more and let the others play comfort agents.

ur argument that KR>EMEA is because of one team so why wouldn't I do the same when that one team had a better year. I could see ur argument if DRX was better than FPX but they weren't and there wasn't a second KR team that could've qualified for a LAN. The argument just makes no sense and idk why this is the hill ur dying on.

MY IGL

every human being in the world would take a championship and a 4th place over a 3rd place and 2 5th places LMFAO

are you truly trying to argue that DRX had a better year than FPX because they had a better head to head? god u r delusional lol

Ya they send 4 teams every LAN obviously not every single one is gonna rival DRX. I don't care that much what teams like Guild or TL were doing but its insane to say KR as a region was better when they only have one team. They're second best team didn't even win LCQ so if ur gonna use DRX, a very good team, to compare with teams like TL or G2 of course it's gonna look good. Your whole argument is just cherry picking lol. DRX is obviously > the 4th and 5th best EU teams, no one is arguing against that. But the best EU team was 100% better than DRX over the year and even the 2nd best team was comparatively good.

so a 1 team region whose best performance was 3rd is better than a region that won a LAN, got 4th with two different teams, and had 2 teams get 5/6 and 2 other teams get 7/8? Champions was the only event where DRX was above an EMEA team and even then it was just by one place, otherwise FPX FNC and G2 have had better or even finishes. Don't see how this can even be an argument.

I'd argue Heat has been really consistently good apart from when he played against Aspas, and honestly aspas is so far ahead of the rest that I'm not gonna really put it against him

ya he's blown pretty bad but its also tough with a two game sample size. Also why this post is a little unserious and why Taco is in HM despite bad performance so far. I don't think we should be calling Tenz washed because of 3 games that his team hasn't performed great in, it's the same reason why Victor is highest of the 5 in rating on duelists but why he's in my 5th spot.

1. aspas (No argument)
2. dgzin (Elite Jett, good Neon, just need to see the Raze to put him in the Aspas convo)
3. leaf (When on duelist he's playing amazingly, both Jett and neon at a high level)
4. heat (Consistently plays both Jett and Raze well but not elite, probably one of the more well rounded ones so far)
5. Victor (Small sample size but his Raze and Jett games looked elite, ability to get as high as top 2 with more sample size because historically he can play all 4 relevant duelists.)

HM: Tacolilla(inconsistent in their first two games against good competition but played great at Lock In and plays a weakened SEN team today to hopefully get his confidence back up)

I agree they improved a lot, which is why they're even in this convo. After the OXG game you would've been laughed at for making this argument. That's not a knock on you but just to say that G2 made a fantastic run from LR1 all the way to the final. You can see the potential but to call them better than 100T you gotta see them make it consistent.

Because I don't take singular results over general play. Guard looked better all of Split one than G2 and played M80 closer than G2 did. Them losing a B03 with one round before OT doesn't take away from them being the better team for a longer time. G2 has worse losses and less convincing wins apart from literally one match that went the distance. This is not meant to take away from G2's skill but its pretty bad to make one result mean much more than other contradicting evidence.

Actually good point s0m completely crossed my mind

Not top 3 yet but his Harbor is best in the world, only Xeta and Stax have come close to making it work like he does. Dude's got talent and really young players that adapt really quickly to new agents are the ones that will be the best in the world over time.

How KR over EMEA when they won a tournament and KR had one team who choked every tournament?

I'm not taking G2 over them but it's hard to argue against TGRD and M80 since both teams have better performing IGLs and coaches rn. Obviously the talent on the roster of 100T is great but if Cryo is playing this bad against C9 and players like Trent, Nismo and Zander are playing so so well rn I don't see how you're taking this 100T squad over them.

gotta be smoking something crazy over there to make a list like this

TLN does not deserve to be in this tier they have much more potential than any of these other teams they just can't figure out which 5 players and roles work best.

Ya Sinatraa sucks of everyone should be critical

he was only better than babybay on chamber don't make bad generalizations based on zero data.

ya bro lets grab from the italian region they definitely matter

region of europe

1 from every region means you own Europe therefore you can't lose I don't make the rules

drop entire roster
New team

ellement
Reazy
Roxie
Mistic
Logan
SmartSeven/Sliggy if he wants to
(Acend will qual so unpoachable)

I meant if they had had a chance to build a team for franchising. Both for different reasons give me reason to believe they could be the very best.

Engh took Gambit to a peak that no team ever has been to, back to back finals is unheard of at this point and was really a Russian war away from creating a dynasty. He should've been given the chance to build a team from the ground up just like he did Gambit(pre gambit Chronicle and Nats were the only ones to have had even remotely a name in the comp scene with Fishkavtom)

For Sliggy, he has been through all the rough TL times and has made some pretty good teams out of nothing. He turned Soulcas from Raze one trick to a very good flex, same with Jamppi and jett so you know he has player development ability. He also has never had an IGL, getting top 6 and top 8 with scream and Jamppi IGLing his teams. He's never really been given a shot with a team that has the potential to win it all. I wish we could've seen him build a roster for a team like Giants and see what he could do with another mind at IGL and a whole new set of fraggers.

Chet
Onur
doombros

Unironically think if they had been coaching recently that Sliggy and Engh would be right there.

He spent his whole career playing with Fuzari, Less and Saadhak. When was he supposed to play it before then? If he wants to be a lurker then yes sentinel is the best role for that and it's not really an argument. Controller and sentinel are the two roles that need the least mastery on their agents, and if he's already their only viper player then picking up KJ to fit his playstyle better isn't that much of an ask. KJ's only skill expression ability wise is molly lineups which take max a week to learn. Compare that to switching to Kay/o or Raze and it's nothing. If they're main goal was to let Pancada lurk and he's expressed that to them then yes putting him on sentinel agents is the correct decision pretty much every time.

All of these other guys joined different teams after franchising was announced so I don't see your point. He went from Korea's best player, APAC's best chance to overtake NA and EU to not even being one of the 20+ korean players in franchising. There are koreans on literally half of the APAC franchised teams so them picking GenG has no relevance LMFAO.

Like the post says I really don't get why dephh is being criticized for moving Pancada when, like you said, it's the players decision and Pancada seems to want to play this role.

A good portion of the best IGLs in the world prefer to be the initiator flex player. Of the top 4 finishers 2/4 do, and the IGLs of the 4 best teams in NA rn run a flex flash role. EMEA is really the only region where the norm is to have ur IGL on smokes(bonecold is the only one of the non trash teams who doesn't play smokes). Even in Asia Stax and Benkai, by far the two most notable IGLs from that region , play or used to play initiator.

Didn't Pancada say he prefered sentinels and only played controller because it's what Loud wanted? The sacy and dephh swaps sure they're a little odd but Pancada's makes sense because the team either needed him to excel on smokes or sentinel and dephh would in theory pick up the other.

Rhyme isn't even the most succesful IGL on his own team

God the second best duelist spot in Americas looks brutal.
Cryo and Ardiis haven't performed up to expectations
Heat Keznit and Jawgemo have been playing bad on ass teams(maybe not heat but he's not top 3)
C9 doesn't really have a true duelist player
Tenz and Taco have underperformed so far
I was gonna argue against the Dgzin pick but if Asuna, Leaf, and Victor are counted as flex players then ya I guess that's fair rankings. Some of the roles are a little off tho as I'd argue its

Duelist: aspas, dgzin, ardiis
controller: Khalil, s0m, bang
IGL: saadhak, kingg, fns
sentinel: Less, Leaf, Shyy
Initiator: Crashies, cauanzin, zekken
Flex: Asuna, Xeppaa, Victor

From what I've watched of Americas this is the general group that I really like. Obviously having ceiling in mind my guess is we see Cryo, Sacy, Pancada creep back in and if they were playing Yay and Marved would for sure be there. I would also have mwzera, nzr, and ethan possibly on here but I need to see more but their peaks recently have looked really solid, just a bit inconsistent.

Prior to 2023 FNS had been doing it better for longer. Both had a first and second but FNS had never had a BAD tournament. While Saadhak was bounced in the play-ins in S2, FNS had his worst result of the year at third place. His worst result had been third. And then prior to 2022 he had been the superior IGL since he got top 2 in S3 of 2021. Post Lock in I'm ready to rate Saadhak as the best IGL ever but FNS had the best case by far coming into franchising.