Or just put Sacy on it and Zekken on Sova he's honestly a better sova than sacy and Sacy is obviously a better breach
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Or just put Sacy on it and Zekken on Sova he's honestly a better sova than sacy and Sacy is obviously a better breach
Atleast people know he's ass, Mwzera has been riding the hype from his Raze in 2021 and has had zero results to show for. He's genuinely good at initiators but if they're gonna rely on him to frag out on raze and run double duelist then they're fucked atm
Chronicle Leo Mako is still top 3 but after that Alfa is the best sentinel which instantly makes him a top 6-7 player in my eyes
I did an NA one and I'm bored so EU time
A Tier(Top 2 by far)
FNC is still number 1 until proven otherwise but since the KOI loss and the team comps have solidified more NAVI has been looking like a top 4 team ITW. Excited for this matchup but no matter the result I personally will have FNC as my favorite to win EU's playoffs
B Tier (group of good not great)
EU is pretty easy to rank because the worse teams lose to the better teams that they play. TL can't beat NAVI or FNC but can beat GIA, and GIA, despite the ugly loss to TH, beats all the teams below them. Both are 3-2 in their last 5 but TL beat GIA in an extremely close series. Even in a BO5 these teams probably go to the final map.
C Tier (Turkish meh teams)
FUT started much better but at this point BBL looks much better. Started 0-4 but have been 3-1 in their last 4, beating the bottom half teams and playing TL fairly close(Turkish Ascent BTW). FUT started hot and are a for sure tier above the teams below them but aren't good enough at this point to compete with the top 4. I see both of these teams qualifying but still losing(BBL needs to beat FUT to qual IIRC).
D Tier(IDEK with these guys)
Vitality are in the same spot that SEN are for me. Could actually make playoffs and are for sure better than these teams below them, but god have they looked bad recently. They did have a tough stretch of games and will likely beat TH but they don't inspire much confidence.
F Tier(Order these bums in anyway it doesn't matter)
TH>KCORP>KOI>TH in h2h rn so all of them in theory can beat the other, and they all blow so much that who really cares. I believe they can still technically qual with FUT and TH wins next week but none of them deserve it. I ordered them this way because TH did beat GIA just now and are positive in maps with Weber, and KOI at least have taken maps in their recent losses, which KCORP haven't. Either way they all suck so it doesn't really matter. Definitely all on DFM KRU MIBR level (may sneak GEN.G in there at this point).
Concise List
Cryo is honestly better atm
I completely agree, similar to old Optic losing right at the end of groups and regional play then dominating on LAN. I just feel like they're below the 2 NA Teams atm.
foxy9 is playing pretty mediocre despite playing on by far the best team in a 1 team region. Jingg Saya and Something currently clear and he's gotta show he's better than Buzz on it for me to call him anywhere close to top 5.
A Tier(favorites)
All three are pretty interchangeable but based on current form C9 is undefeated and 10/11 on maps in their last 5 games so they should be number 1, and NRG just beat LOUD and recently has been performing better versus tougher opponents. Their first map performance, though still a great team, is starting to become a real problem.
B Tier(should be playoff teams)
Call me NA biased but 100T loses to the top tier teams and clears out the rest of the teams around them, based on current form they're the next best. EG dropped a match to Furia but beat LEV and played Loud well for 2 maps. They aren't the strongest team but recent form has been high
C Tier(Weak even if they make playoffs)
Furia is above LEV because at least they can beat teams in their own tier of play, but their loss against 100T puts them below EG for me. LEV has been looking bad and can currently only beat the teams below them in the power rankings. Even if they make playoffs they're gonna need a miracle to win games
D Tier
Other two teams are firmly below but this SEN team isn't beating either LEV or Furia I'm sorry. I'd love to see them prove me wrong in 2 days but IDK
F Tier
Yes I ranked the 0 win team over MIBR. Atleast what I can give KRU is that they're competing in their series that they've played recently. Since starting 2-1, MIBR has yet to win a map. They've averaged 4 round wins per map their last 2 games. They can barely even get to OT against bad teams. If they rematched I'm confident KRU wins.
Concise list
Ethan has only played iniators this year apart from one yoru game, c0m has also played a lot of sova but his only two agents he plays are sova and viper so I count him as the flex. In general they flex their controller role more than their initiator role.
Shao is a flex for the team he has nearly double the rounds on non initiators than he does to actual initiators. He'll likely be number 2 on my flex list tho. As for qraxs he's basically a kayo one trick which isn't a bad thing especially in EU where the agent is more valued but I just don't think he's ahead of anyone I listed.
I'm counting him as a flex and Carpe as their main, he'll probably be on my flex list but he's playing more Harbor and viper than initiators
God Tier Players Tier
H.M
invy, MOLSI, Xeppaa
I've already done sentinel and duelist at this point so I think I'm just going to complete the series, next up being controller after this.
For this tier list, I put most of my value into their skye play, as well as breach and sova being very important. For me, the current meta for main initiator players (so not flex players like Chronicle) is being able to play Skye and Sova at a high level with breach on 1-2 maps, which is why Kayo and Fade isn't as important to my rankings. THEIR ABILITY ON NON INITIATORS HAS NO BEARING ON THESE RANKINGS.
Starting at the top it's undeniable that Leo is number one and I won't take any other answer. After him we get Crashies, NZR, and Zyppan who all feel like amazing players at their roles. Crashies is the consistency god and plays Sova and Skye so well, as well as being able to play Breach Kayo and Fade very well. NZR has quietly joined him in being a god tier support on the same two characters, but he's a step below because he brings less fragging. Zyppan has a weirder agent pool because NAVI doesn't play Breach and Shao as their flex is their sova player, but his flash initiators are some of if not the best in the world.
Ethan Jamppi and Cloud all fall into the next tier because I like one or two specific of their agents but they aren't on the level of the three above them. All three are extremely underrated and posses good qualities for different reasons. Ethan is great on flashes, Jamppi is a fantastic fragger on skye while Cloud is amazing on sova(both top 2 in each agent) while playing the other one fairly well. With Jamppi you just need to see more consistency and with Cloud he honestly just needs a better team supporting cast and I think he could be top 5.
Cauanzin and Stax round out the jack of all trades tier, playing a ton of different agents but I wouldn't say they're as high of level as the guys ahead. For stax in particular he would be much higher if his IGLing didn't hinder his playstyle, but he's still amazing and the second most consistent initiator of all time behind crashies. Cauanzin had a great start to the year but has fallen behind quite a few Americas initiators. Still a great player who plays the 3 most important initiators. As for Trexx, I saw it as needing one more guy in the top 10 and since he's technically KOI's initiator I wanted to add him. He may be the best Kayo in the world and plays both skye and sova very well, another story of put him on a top tier team and he looks like a god.
honorable mentions mostly come down to having too small of an initiator pool and being more flex players, but I think if all three transitioned to full time initiator they would be top 10 players.(in Invy's case he only plays breach and kayo well which sucks in this current meta when you'd want him on sova and playing better on skye)
Overall regional rankings:
EU: 5/10
Americas: 4/10
APAC: 1/10
EU and Americas dominate this role compared to APAC, who really only has stax and the argument for invy and Bazzi(or F0rsaken if he sticks with the role). Americas have 3 of the top 5, but EU has the best and 4 of the top 7 so you still probably lean there for initiator players. LMK if there's any guys I might've left out or if my ranking is just dogshit
Boostio is over John even before this game
no way u actually think Optic was the second best team in their region after S1 when they 2-0ed the guard to qualify but lost in 5 games in the grand final that they expiremented with new comps and maps that were usually perma bans
IGLing is the biggest weak point for every BR team that doesn't have Saadhak, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be putting the best team around them. I disagree with dropping Khalil but qck for sure.
def should be qck lol, not once this year has he shown he's franchising level and khalil already plays sentinels. Replace him, bring in pancada is the most simple easy fix.
Ya they were the best in their region, but so was Optic and they actually won something. Just because FPX beat them many months later in a completely different tournament doesn't mean you can discount Optic or boost up FPX. It's a super flawed argument.
The final sentence of ur post is such a stupid argument. There's no way to neither prove nor deny if they were better but they didn't beat Optic in Stage 1 and Optic did win, so how can you discount them over an unprovable argument.
ya one stage of FPX over them is crazy seeing as they were also the best before wiping the floor with the whole world
They're closer to second best in APAC than they are to third and I think you can make an argument for them over PRX in some ways but Saya is looking like the second best player in that region and Ban has improved so so much but PRX's core 4 (sorry mindfreak) have been so good it's hard to not choose them over
none of the apac duelists would compete with Mako so he probably would still get it.
not when mako exists lol
EG is better than LEV, MXM is better than current OXG, M80 is not better than NRG. This is just lazy.
I mean Furia is probably not even top 6 in Americas even if they qual after that loss to 100T who I would've previously said is 7th place
Dawg obviously C9 instead of Furia lol
4th Best Team in Americas and I don't think that should be a hot take.
My point was that Less was playing only sentinels and being the best in the world at it while Alfa played KJ on 1 map and then was an entry player, either way their 1A 1B and both should be seen as top 10 ITW.
It's gonna be really hard to tell until the next LAN but rn he's playing better than Less. Less still probably holds the crown because he's been better for longer but I wouldn't mind saying he's number one and did in a recent tier list.
I mean oping is the most important part of Jett play even if rifling is also very important. Getting an OP in ur Jett's hands round 4 and being sure you'll have it for 6 or 7 of the next 9 rounds is really important to teams winning.
Not BR but I'll say
Pancada
Sacy
raafa IGL
Havoc
Matheuzin(or FRZ since he's been their only slightly competent one recently but I feel like we've seen his ceiling)
If you somehow can't get Sacy that either means u can get Mwzera since he went to Furia or you can keep JZZ cuz he does have some highs
BcJ should be playing controller over Jawgemo anyway. He's goated on Raze so keep him in on Bind Fracture and Split but otherwise cmon no way BcJ's harbor and omen are worse.
There are no good ones lol, the only one to ever have success was Mazin 4 weeks ago and even then he was getting insane pop offs from Khalil Mwzera and Dgzin individually
ok their KAST is even but his assists are definitely higher and honestly another tier higher
I mean leaf has only played 4 cypher games in his life and only 2 were in franchising back at Lock: In. He's a better player but Stellar is for sure the more polished cypher player.
That's why I specified it was NA teams only and not NA players only. Either way it only changes up Fade and Sage which would just be Derrek and Cyro
NA teams prioritize flexing KJ a lot more than most other regions, NRG has had 4 different guys play 100 rounds of it alone, and C9 and 100T each have two different guys that play it depending on map and meta. EG and SEN are the only ones who stick to a strict singular KJ and SEN specifically plays it a lot less than your average team. If this was something like EU you could just say Alfa since it's really all he has to play RN, but in NA your best KJ players are also best in class phoenix, raze, and kayo guys.
Probably fair but I see Xeppaa's Skye as the rock of C9 and he's played it so much more than Leaf, and anyone for that matter, that I think he's overall the most skilled at the specific agent. His assist numbers and KAST are still higher than Leaf but Leaf's fragging on the agent is crazy
Cypher is by far the weakest agent in NA franchising, I'd likely take the two you mentioned alongside poised, add3r, and moose on cypher instead of Stellar but he's the only one that plays it at all, and is probably the historically best between he, fns, and dephh.
KJ: Victor or Zellsis
Jett: leaf
Skye: Xeppaa
Viper: s0m
Omen: jakee
Sova: crashies
Raze: jawgemo or Asuna
Harbor: s0m
Breach: runi
Astra: bang
Kayo: Ethan
Brim: s0m
Sage: ardiis
Gekko: Asuna
Fade: Sacy
Cypher: stellar
Neon: leaf
Phoenix: Zellsis
Chamber: Yay from Lock: In
Yoru: Ethan from Lock: In
Reyna: N/A (Asuna or Tenz pre 2023 though)
All of this is based off of 2023
Repeat players:
s0m 3
Zellsis 2
leaf 2
Asuna 2
Ethan 2
I'm pretty sure its as simple as cut mikes and stellar and bring in whoever the best coach IGL duo that you can from ascension, don't gotta overthink the other roles except maybe verno for derrek or cryo to a new team.
I mean his skye rating is identical to raze and Skye is the most important initiator in the meta, alongside him playing like 3 other agents well. Seems like a pretty good player to me.
IDK all I know is do everything you can to retain sheydos and Trexx and build around the two and grab as many of Monsteer Baddyg Enzo and Mistic as possible alongside a completely new staff.
could not be more different players to compare dawg what???
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