I probably will we'll see how high I am in an hour
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I probably will we'll see how high I am in an hour
EMEA:
Wolfen
Starxo
Newzera
Koldamenta
Xms
NA:
Tenz
daveeys
Klaus
rglmeister
frz
APAC:
Ejay
Anthem
Carpe
Xnfri
Tennn
I def see the Derke point but it's also fair to acknowledge that Derke gets the 2 best initiators in the world to set him up who combine for 1 assists per round together, whereas sayf gets Jamppi and Soulcas who average .7 assists per round. Derke for sure has done it against the best teams more often which is why he probably has the slight edge but I still think Sayf's stats and impact are just too high. And as for Demon1 he really only plays Jett on duelist(this list has nothing to do with their ability on other agents) and his Jett is good but I'm not talking it over Qutioner Ardiis or Something's.
When you find me a duelist game he's played in 2023 I'll be sure to add him to the rankings!
God Tier(undisputed top 3)
H.M because they haven't fully been on duelist but have had flashes
BuZz, Victor, Suggest
Definitely some hot takes on here but the way I see it, only about 7 players ITW are playing both Jett and Raze at a high level(for leaf Neon and cNed Yoru) consistently so for the last 3 spots I feel like it's fair to just pick the next 3 best Jetts from overall form and Qutioner has been great on Jett and the best on BBL for a while, something is showing how good he can be but he's really just a one trick atm, and for all of the hate Ardiis gets on specifically Jett he is top 10 ITW on the agent no competition, and because it's the best character rn that makes me sneak him in. Sayf one may upset people and I don't think its the consensus but I truly believe no duelist is playing the role better atm, though Derke and Aspas are obviously unbelievable performers. Last thought, but IMO if my HM players were full time duelists they would be some of the best in the world, they just are pushed to different roles for the good of the team or, in suggests case, just now got a chance to start playing duelist.
Overall Regional Rankings:
EU: 5/10 (6 if you count ardiis), 3/5 are also Turkish
Americas: 3/10(2 if you count ardiis for EU players), no LATAM
APAC: 2/10
ATM EU and specifically Turkey are the best for developing duelists in 2023(and they still have sociablee among others waiting to be called up) and LATAM/general APAC outside of Korea is struggling to have duelists with success. Lemme know who you think I left out or if I'm just a dumbass for my takes.
they looked good in comparison but still weren't a very good team lol. Shaz and Dapr are cool but they had one good run in T2 this year and have looked shaky otherwise.
Valyn Mitch and Flyuh are your most likely options
Russia, KR, and BR are the three favorites.
something
Chronicle
Shao
Redgar
nAts
Cloud 6th
KR
BuZz/Foxy9
stax
xeta
MaKo
k1Ng
(whichever of BuZz or Foxy9 as sub or even Rb)
BR
aspas
Mazin
cauanzin/sacy
Khalil/pancada
Less
(mwzera sub)
After that there's a good shout for the US with
leaf
crashies
runi
s0m
Victor
(Xeppaa sub)
And using LEV +Melser for Chile and FUT but with Alfajer and cNed would make for a strong Turkey team. Sweden also has one of the best top 3's ITW with Sayf Zyppan and Leo but after that you would have to reach for Shadow and Meddo which wouldn't be ideal. Same with Indonesia and having to have 2-3 RRQ players.
In general tho I would have my top ten containing some form of
Brazil Korea Russia US Chile Argentina Sweden Indonesia Canada and Japan
I mean his roster is pretty dogshit but ya LOUD's core definitely carried him more than anything.
I'm gonna get a ton of hate from BR fans because of this but IDC, the main problem with them choosing an NA team is that a team like MIBR and somewhat Furia now that they're falling got fucked from them switching because apart from the 7 of LOUD+Sacy and Pancada how many really good brazilians are there? There needs to be 14 slots(saadhak the 15th) over three teams and I'd say after those 7 Khalil Dgzin and Mwzera are the only real standout ones. Even after you add in the 2 IGLs that still feels like Brazil already needs 3 more maybe not T1 level guys to play in franchising, and with Sacy and Pancada joining SEN that turned into 5. Not to be a dick to these players but Quick and frz really aren't good, and rglm jzz heat all have their moments but definitely aren't top tier talent in the Americas region. On the flipside, that likely kept down players like Trent, Valyn, Nismo, Zander, Moose, EEIU I can go on and on, which sucks for overall talent pool in the Americas. So not only do they go to SEN and the team shits the bed, but BR has to have an awful MIBR and a good but not great Furia team that if they had one of Sacy or Pancada instead of Quick would be elite. The move fucked over 3 rosters and some NA T2 players that are probably better than at WORST 5-10 guys in franchising.
IDK if I'm one of Trexx or Sheydos and I hear I can get the chance to play for SEN in NA after having to deal with KOI for a year I'm taking that offer and sprinting to the airport.
Leaf if I'm building a team from scratch, Sayf from current performance and if I just need to add a duelist to my team. Sayf is the third best duelist in the world in his own tier at that role behind Derke and aspas but ahead of Leaf and potentially a player like something or cNed.
(THIS IS NOT AN ALL TIME RANKING IT'S JUST HOW THEY ARE PERFORMING AT THIS SECOND IN TIME.)
Astra: Monyet
Breach: Chronicle
Brim: BORKUM
Chamber: dgzin
Cypher: nAts
Fade: Shao
Gekko: saadhak
Harbor: Mazino
Jett: aspas
Kayo: Zyppan
Killjoy: k1Ng
Neon: f0rsakeN
Omen: MaKo
Phoenix: Jinggg
Raze: Sayf
Reyna: JitBoyS(he's the only one lol)
Sage: Chronicle
Skye: leaf
Sova: Leo
Viper: MaKo
Yoru: cNed
Obviously these are all very debatable and there's only a few I would truly defend hard, but the thing I noticed myself that stuck out were the only players with more than one were MakO and Chronicle, Chronicle over two different roles as well.
Their season is already all but over, might as well start making plans for next year. Build around Zekken as a flex and Marved and bring in a whole new IGL+staff, young cracked duelist like Oxy, n4rrate, sym and import a guy like trexx or sheydos or somehow convince Trent Verno or Moose to come and play with them. Think about a best case scenario roster next year of:
Oxy/N4rrate/Sym
Zekken
Valyn/Mitch/Flyuh
Marved
Trent/Trexx/Sheydos
with Tanizhq
It almost entirely comes down to Mada and V1c's performance. Mada has been underperforming since S2 last year but when he's on he can be a truly amazing mechanical player, and V1c has a ton of potential that we've already seen flashes of but he very obviously needs a strong IGL to micro him, which I think vanity can be.
Make the team about Sheydos and Trexx and say fuck Wolfen and Starxo's feelings. Let Trexx play duelist, let Sheydos play flash initiators. No reason he shouldn't be playing strictly Skye Kayo Breach. Make Wolfen a full-time KJ and Starxo/Kolda flex around that. That's their only chance of winning at this point.
JohnQt has proven he's a top tier IGL despite him struggling in this singular game.
I think this'll def be a humbling experience for him but he is for sure a top top tier player in every sense. Put him on purely raze and sova in VRL East next split/next year and he will absolutely farm. Look at what Musashi does for ACE, he plays the same agent pool but historically at a higher level. Make him the star of a T2 team(AGO or VP enter???) and let him play his comfort picks and he will be seen as a T1 player sooner rather than later.
He blew at initiators but he's never not been a fantastic controller player. Problem is he played with the only other competent controller player in EU and Boaster obviously takes first priority on FNC which pushed Mistic into uncomfortablity and eventually off the team.
Ya thats basically my argument, pretty much all the players that could be good on controller in EMEA don't even play it. Shao, Nats, Chronicle, Leo, even Jamppi
Starxo is the most underrated paycheck stealer ITW
Last time Mistic played controllers at the T1 level he was highest in rating, ACS, and assists per round among T1 controller players. He's currently the highest rated controller player in EMEA T2 this year and when playing on the role he has always been top 3 in EMEA. What's the actual argument against him?
Probably the single waekest role for one of the regions, kind of crazy when you think abt it but there really isn't one standout at all compared to APAC with Mak0 or NA with a great group of like 4-5 guys. If I'm counting only the players that play the controller role most in EU(so Shao, Nats, Atakaptan don't really count) I would say it's.
I honestly belive if Mistic were playing he would be top 2-3 lol. I'd be surprised if you could find a single role in one of the regions that's this weak tho.
Ya I think it's a pretty common take that to be called the best duelist ITW you need something other than Jett. Yay was obviously great but he was never asked to play Raze nor did he ever not need to be on chamber, which is why he was the best in the world during that meta but not this. Derke and Aspas are a tier above(tho aspas hasn't been playing raze he still can) because of their ability to play both agents. The main thing that'll hurt guys like Leaf(please don't try to argue to me that his Raze is good) and Cned is that they are great at Jett but not Raze.
corey is pretty ass at Jett he just has very good raw aim but its so much better for raze and sova type characters.
problem is Americas has a duelist problem
I know he's 1-3 as an IGL, but 2 of them were against 2 of the top 3 IGLs in the world, the other against LEV and 100T where they went 1-1. I feel like he gets so much hate for being not that bad lmfao.
Runi 2 Dephh 3 IDK how you can look at what Stellar and Boostio have been calling and say they're above the other two. I know its trendy to have a Dephh hate boner but he was 1 round away from 2-0ing the 2nd best team in Americas so far.
then who is better? I'm not talking about singular tournaments, I mean since VCT started who apart from crashies has consistently been on his level on those agents?
Even if he never IGLed he would be one of the best, he's still the best skye and kayo player of all time and is an early user of harbor, not to mention him being literally the inventor of how breach is played.
Stax should be there, not at the fragging power of any of these guys but if I'm building a team I don't think there's 5 initiators I'm taking over Stax.
They have a great core as well that will hopefully last. There arent many support trios in the world better than nukkye, cloud, and hoody. The only ones that I would fully take above them are teams that are already LAN winners or top tier favorites. Of those tier 2 teams no one can compete with that. Obviously a lot of pressure is going to come on Rhyme as an IGL and Fitinho as an entry, but atm even if they don't succeed this year they are built perfectly for the future.
Look at his games versus Optic and FPX in champs, or at Copenhagen, or versus Zeta and Optic in Reykjavik. In all of DRX's final two games since the start of 2022 he's averaging a .83 rating with 177 ACS while going -83(!!!) in 8 games. Zest isn't that bad, no one is that bad. I don't give a fuck if ur playing a bunch of roles, those numbers are nearly identical to current form tenz, brave and takej. If you were told one of ur 5 players were gonna play on that level when facing high level competition, would you keep him around? If you want something more digestible, why don't we look at these stats. Out of the 50 players with the most games played against elite competition, he ranks 46th in rating, 38th in ACS, 49th in KAST!!!, 44 in KD, a negative fk/fd, and 36th in assists grouped only with players that one trick duelists and 3 hard anchor sentinel players. I just don't get how some players get knives thrown at them for having one bad performance but RB gets away with doing it every tournament he plays in when it matters most. Obviously DRX's only problem isn't him but MaKo, Buzz, Stax, and Zest have never been this consistently bad.
My problem with him has never been in groups/quals or in mid tier matches. I'm not saying he's bad when playing teams like Talon or Zeta or BBL, my problem is that EVERY tournament they've ever played in they go far and plateau, and literally every time he looks bad. He doesn't make egregious game losing mistakes, but every single final match or second to last match DRX has played since 2021 at LAN he has been their worst performer. The problem is that he plays well and flexes a lot in APAC and in the early rounds so he has job security, but realistically their ceiling is lowered with him on the team.
I mean ya he's over loved for being mediocre
I have been downvoted heavily for presenting this in the past and people still call him a top 2 flex ITW
he performs awfully against any good team go look at it yourself
RB is mega overrated because he plays a ton of agents
Victor: Raze Skye Kayo KJ(suprisingly efficient on it)
Ardiis: Jett and something on fracture who cares
FNS: Breach and sentinels
s0m: controllers
Crashies: initiators and viper
Wow so hard Chet lol
Poised performance negatively correlates with how good he IGLs LMFAO
I'm taking Koala and Oxy over him over the last split+playoffs and I'm taking Yay and possibly Sym over him for the next split
Tex hasn't even been close to the best duelist in challengers while Ardiis spent all of 2022 fragging for a top tier team, I just don't get how this is even an argument lol.
They're a team filled of good but not amazing players at this point
Each of them has had their highs and lows but as we've got into franchising where all the top teams are 5 good players deep guys like Derrek and Cryo look worse and Stellar doesn't really look like the IGL that he has in the past. Pair that with not being able to respond properly from Sgares departure and you have a decent but middle of the road team.
Only three you can argue are Yay Saadhak Chronicle
Yay has had the best and longest peak of any player
Saadhak most successful IGL
Chronicle for winning two titles
IDC how much hate Ardiis gets no shot u guys want tex over him
actually u know what I think I'm wrong on the Stax pick, I'll swap for FNS even though NRG is struggling a bit. I thought abt it and with even teams I think FNS would out call Stax.
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