if not Kiles u could just do DonQ anyway since the team needs a smokes player

Roza or Android>Wardell just so the agent compositions make more sense imo

Tex is the worst Jett of the top 15 NA teams so that's not saying much

I'm pretty sure he still had a higher ACS than Emil even when he was playing Astra and emil was on kj, Rossy was also their IGL and was more of an anchor than Emil so I'm not quite sure where this hate is coming from.

Asuna
Sick
Victor
Corey
Leaf/Dre(IDK since they play Jett now but they've historically been raze reyna guys)

If we are talking purely on duelist and not how they flex to sage, skye or to a lesser extent sova kj viper then these should be everyone's top 5-6

why would V1 want Dicey

i dont get why thats so hard for him to get, my statement could not be easier to understand. Zombs was the best brim NA, Nitr0 never played it, Zombs has the best astra and viper of the two, Nitr0 has the best omen. Zombs is best at 3/4 agents, and also is better at the two meta ones.

when did i say that?

how can u say that when zombs is better at the 3/4 controller agents than nitr0 while also being the best in na at the 2 meta ones(astra viper)

It is very much dependent on roles I feel

In order it prob goes
Jett/Reyna entry 240
Raze/Phoenix/secondary duelist 220
Fragging Sage(nukkye, cned, sick style) 215
Skye 205
AVG player is prob around here for pro play at the 195-200 area
Sova 190
Viper/Sentinels 190
Astra 185
Sage 180

ACS doesn't mean everything, and just because someone is lower than the avg doesn't mean they are bad, but in general these are the guidelines pro players are look at for their avg performance.

Zombs has been the best Astra consistently since her release and the best Viper of the controller players that play viper. He's far and away the best on the two meta controllers. Nitr0 is def the best omen but lets not act like Zombs wasn't the best support omen player during the omen meta. You can't call the guy who is the best at the top 2 agents in the class worse than Nitr0 who plays almost full time omen with 1 map each of viper and astra.

Think this may actually lead to a duelist pick up, the team kinda lacks a good jett player and now would be the time to pick up 1. Mummay, Poiz, Kehmicals, Dicey, Stani played some Jett, or even signed guys like Koala and Jcruel could be good. FA market is popping at the position, my personal hope is Mummay because of flexibility and experience but any of these guys r good.

I mean it makes sense, Auti is the stand out player on the team so they should prob build around him. IMO Brax played a decent enough Sova to warrant being on the squad still but he was def not as good as Curry. Curry IGL, Auti Jett duelist and then building off that is prob the best option for the squad. I'd love to see them target guys like Nismo, Tigg(if available), Stani, Jerk, Valyn, Bang, Kehmicals, Thwifo, Trill and Bjor who could be bought out or are secondary players on other good teams.

T1
Tenz Asuna Yay
T2
Sick Dre Wardell Victor Shaz (only on 2 maps tho)
T3
Leaf Auti Corey

Guys like Zekken and Ethan don't play enough duelist to fully warrant being on the duelist list but would be for the flex/duelist one. My next tier probably includes
T4
Babybay Zellsis Android Penny PureR with Shanks, Shawn, and Mada in consideration

Val isn't 1 for 1 comparisons, old ABX has an IGL and has way more fragging power. Plus your rankings are off anyway, Yay would way outfrag Jmoh and is by far the best guy here, Stani and Thwifo are much better sups than Skuba(saying that because they aren't gonna be getting Jcstani) and Mada is better than thief. I still don't get why people jerk off thief so much on this site, almost every stat favors mada and mada also passes the eye check as a duelist and an initiator.

Thief over mada is an interesting one

As much as I think in general this is a really good take, the one notion that people need to drop a bit is that Bang was picked up just to play duelist. Bang had always looked best in T2 playing smokes, and once he started playing Astra and putting up good numbers TSM signed him. His most played agents are still controllers and the reason that TSM picked him up was most likely because he's the only player in T2 that could fill up the holes that TSM's agent pool had. He was a good Astra player, but also could bring out the Raze Reyna and Sage. I'm personally not mad at how they used him, it worked for him to be playing based on the controller meta, Astra or Sage/Raze when Viper is good or they value Raze over Skye. It seems like people are torn between a few notions, its either
"why TSM pick up duelist"
"why is Bang on duelist"
"Why is Bang playing Astra when he's aggressive"
All of these all have both a bit of merit and some flaws to them for their own reason, but IMO Bang is at his best when playing his aggressive anchoring Astra style, and that was always the reason he stuck out when he played for SRN.

best player is a bit of a stretch lol

I think in the past two series that was generally true but historically for Rise Shanks has been the superior duelist

Supamen is Rise's best player but I'd def argue that Shanks is number 2. Throughout the majority of VCT he's had plenty of carry level performances and in general frags better than Neptune

I mean what do people rate him for, its two things:
IGLing
Fragging on support champs

So he brought a team that was previously cut by EU to a top 8 finish in NA ahead of many orgs mostly based off of tactical prowess. I'd say his IGLing is quite good, and every time KCP plays it seems like they are never behind strats wise. He also doesn't have much help team wise compared to most IGLs. No offense to their squad but compared to the rest of the top 12 teams they have poor duelist players and skuba and fiziq aren't top tier support players.

As for the fragging I don't really know how you can deny that part of his game. https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=3&event_id=all&region=na&country=all&min_rounds=300&min_rating=1795&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=60d Literally one of only 2 players in the top 10 for acs that are support players and still has over 1 kd. I don't think he's like this insane mega god but there is very good reason for him to be getting hype as both an igl and fragger.

I think they end up 6 man rostering and have Xeppaa pick up Skye, Yoru, Viper and maybe Sage. That way they have a pretty unbreakable agent pool where leaf plays duelist/skye sage, poiz plays jett, xeta plays sova, vanity plays controller , mitch plays sentinel and xeppa plays the aforementioned agents.

That means that Xeppaa doesn't play ascent and haven(no need for viper, leaf can play skye or duelist)
Poiz doesn't play bind(jett bad skye viper sage better)
xeta not on split(no sova)
mitch sits out breeze and icebox(viper is better than the sentinel agents making him the odd man out)

Now this could all change if Xeppaa picks up more sova like we are seeing in NSG rn but IMO this would be best case scenario

Ok now lets step back into reality for a sec.

Andersin has stated that he won't leave DarkZero and has gotten T1 offers and declined in the past
Seven is cool but people love to talk a lot about him when he hasn't proven very much and is obviously not ready for the T1 scene yet
And don't even get me started on Sinatraa, dude is a huge brand risk and few orgs care more about their brand than ABX. They're a highly respected org with a shit ton of sponsors and adding sinatraa would not be a good idea for them lol. I think everyone knows he's good lol but adding him to your team has a high chance of breaking up chemistry and hurting your org

this has got to be the most vlrgg forum take of all time lol. It's got everything, jerking off andersin, Sinatraa coming back, pick up (insert young cracked t2 player)

3/5 of his games are on duelist, I get not having Shaz but Sick is first and foremost a duelist player. It's also weird that you don't have Sick when Shawn is sitting up there and he plays about 70/30 initiator to duelist for GenG

FaZe Rise or T1 make the most sense when he finally becomes available. I don't know if Rise would do it but if Derrek gets sniped it could def happen, and t1 and FaZe have similar needs that could work out with him on the team

guys guys player bottom fragging! I need to make a thread on vlrgg to say he bad. If he no get kills he must be worst player in game and need drop Mkael is potter cuz he no kill

They don't need to replace Mkael, they need to learn how to play on defense and find their dedicated Jett player. They kind of have an odd agent pool where Raze is like the only duelist they can play since Nature and Koosta are having an odd Jett switch up thing. They also just never win defense rounds on maps like IB and Bind which makes it tough for them to win games lol. I already knew people were gonna bring out the Mkael drop thing even though he's a fine player, maybe EEIU is a better guy but it's not as simple as plugging EEIU in and winning. Mkael has been a solid part of the team since its inception and his sova is super team oriented, which is why he has low ACS but usually insanely high APR. I will admit that he has struggled as of late, but it doesn't help when literally everyone else on the team is playing some sort of aggro agent/duelist. So do I think EEIU or Crit is a better player? probably, but It doesn't mean that plugging them in will instantly make GenG good

Not og guy but IMO the only team that would possibly make sense are FaZe. IK people will say Gen.G but Mkael has so much impact with his darts, he destroys most assist leaderboards if I remember. Add that to GenG having recent success it doesn't make much sense to me. Apart from that I either think EEIU isn't a big enough upgrade to warrant losing out on their IGL(teams like ABX) or just not much of an upgrade at all. I like the FaZe move because Rawkus is quite good but EEIU is better, and also very vocal on a team that's historically struggled with calling. Adding him also offsets losing Marved's fragging.

agree on EEIU, also want to add Koala of Ghost(but they are doing well so this one is a bit of a stretch), Yay on ABX( I still think they are a good team but they haven't performed), Will/Critical on BBG(Sova Crit tho), Temperature on EG, Cryo on Soar

Ah yes this thread has nothing to do with zombs its only someone asking if andersin was in place of zombs would the team be perfect, no one brought up zombs good point. Also I really never asked for your opinion even if u for some reason think that, I could care less what u and other people on this site think, I only replied cuz u said some odd condescending shit and talked about "bait" which I never brought up nor did anyone else in this thread so idrk what ur trying to get across here. Either way I think my point definitively stands that Zombs is better than Andersin and that SEN would be worse without Zombs, and that a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about(which you and I both know is true right "bro" ;)

This literal thread is calling for Sen to replace him, so do multiple that are made on this site everyday. People love to make him out as a problem on SEN when he isn't, and people love to act like there are better controller players in NA to replace him. And I bring up ACS because it is by far the most overrated stat and is widely used by many as a way to gage player strength. Last large post talking about Zombs had people comparing player acs, and I bet I could prob find someone in this thread if I really cared enough.

What?

Tier 1 is
Sen
V1
NV
XSET
100T
and Gen.G

Tier 1.5
T1
KCP
LG
TSM
Faze
Rise
C9
ABX

Solid Tier 2
DZ
IMT
Ghost
Soniqs
RNG
BBG
Col
Knights

Tier 3
NRG

If you genuinely say drop Xeta you instantly invalidate your ability to analyze Valorant and instantly show that you only care about the scoreboard

Zombs is better than Andersin and has always been. Love seeing people using ACS to try to say Zombs is bad, it always shows me who actually knows anything about the game

In general the VLR rankigns are pretty bad compared to thespikegg. IDK what it's based off of the most but V1 should still be above GenG and all the teams from 7-11 aside from c9B are not that high up. The top ten should be

1. SEN
   2-4 some combo of NV 100T XSET
2. V1
3. GenG
4. C9
5. ABX
6. NRG
7. any of Faze for what they did earlier in the year(if their rankings base success from the past 6 months), KCP/Rise for their recent performance or Soniqs/T1 for nearly beating top teams and in Soniqs case being a very good overall t2 team. IMO it would be KCP but if NRG or ABX underperforms again they'd easily leapfrog

It's always been between Zombs or Nitr0, but with Astra and Viper you can't say Zombs isn't number 1 over the psat 3 months. Nitr0 is still a better fragger but Zombs does more than anyone I've ever seen on AStra

IK people keep saying drop people for an IGL but I'm still struggling in my head to think of who they could pick up to IGL. I completely agree but it def isn't as easy as people make it seem like it is. Off the top of my head they could grab

Stellar(former IGL of LG, LG never had top tier strats but it's better than nothing and has T1 experience)
Iyen/Stronglegs(IGL's for the best T2 teams, neither would prob leave their team tho)
Poised/Oderus(The two emerging teams from this most recent qualifier, I'm a big fan of both so these two would be my favorites
Rossy(prob unlikely but IMT does like to sell players)
Payen/Dcop/Valyn/Ryann/dsr (all players that either aren't t1 level or don't have enough IGL experience IMO)

So I think if they add Levi and dropped Subroza/Hazed (IDC who but I'd honestly prefer Subroza at this point) for one of Stellar,Poised or Oderus I'd say it's an improvement on the roster.

Auti was new T1's best player and was one of the better ones on Dazed T1 team what are u on

S0m top 2 omen lol and Tex is def better than S0m atm

I mean it's a longshot kinda idea but if they somehow were able to rebuild into a team with

Dre Duelist/Sage
Wardell Jett
Levi(he's going to them) Sova
IGL(obviously the toughest part)
Aproto Cypher/KJ/Viper

That in theory is a solid team if they find the right IGL who will play smokes. I still like Bang so maybe Dre isn't even necessary as much but Aproto at least would be very good for them

He plays like a duelist and is a very aggressive player no matter which role he is on. Guy is a good player but hasn't been too good on anything that isn't Omen/Brim,his skye is decent too but unless they put him back on Omen/Astra his hero pool most resembles a duelist, even though he's not that good on them

That's what happens when you replace an IGl with a player that can't IGl, forcing ur best duelist onto sentinel, and making ur entire team based off of fragging. s0m is easily the worst duelist of Android and Tex and they should be trying to find SOMEONE that will play sentinels that isn't android

Similar to what the other guy said Rara really never proved himself. He has actually only had 99 rounds against top tier competition since joining DIG, and though he was pretty decent during them it was never anything special. He was better than most of the Tier2-3 duelists that they went against but he never really proved himself against anyone too decent. Suprised he hasn't been playing as much though since he's definitely talented.

wippie is russian....

I'm genuinely curious in what way you think that's true because I watch a lot of SEN and V1 and never have I felt that Vanity's Astra was better.

Col and EG are the only ones I see pulling a DIG and just leaving the scene. I wouldn't be surprised if teams like TSM LG and maybe even T1 making large roster changes to stay relevant

not if Astra is at all in the meta, plus this team has 4 aggro players and needs a pure anchor/support

I'll most likely miss someone but

Jett: TenZ
Phoenix: Asuna
Raze: Mwzera
Reyna: TenZ
Yoru: Otom
Sova: Chronicle
Breach: Stax but currently probably Leo
Skye: Starxo
Kayo: Paincakes I guess? Not many people have played him so prob him
Omen: Nitr0
Astra: Zombs
Brim: Ange1 or Boaster, prob Boaster currently tho
Viper: Mistic
Cypher: Dapr
Killjoy: Logan
Sage: Sheydos