Well on specifically Raze he was only behind the best one and honestly best player in the world in Jingg, Zekken played Jett which put him ahead of Alfa in ACS. I don't think you can ever call being second best an "underperformance"
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Well on specifically Raze he was only behind the best one and honestly best player in the world in Jingg, Zekken played Jett which put him ahead of Alfa in ACS. I don't think you can ever call being second best an "underperformance"
He was ninth in ACS , 10th in KD, and 5th in ADR in playoffs. He did great considering its his first lan and he is often put onto agents like kj and viper. The only main raze players he was behind in stats were Jingg and Zekken, both of whom performed phenomenally. He was also the top performing viper player alongside kolda and Mak0 and was very formidable on sage when he played it. IMO he was top 3 in his role at this tourney and should be getting zero hate for his play
11 initiator players this tournament avg a higher APR than Mistic, there are 12 teams... The only main initiator players who have less are either of the XSET guys but they also interchanged with smokes a lot and FPX who has 4 different players playing that role
Well Optic and PRX never had any players that were actual liabilities to their roster and never had fragging or role problems. The only time I can think of for either was when F0rsaken was on Sova which they quickly changed or when Victor was struggling but they were never gonna drop him after one meh tourney when he had covid. FNC has been a player away at pretty much every tourney they competed in, and mistic is the one guy who has struggled over multiple international tournies(was an atrocious fragger in both Copenhagen and in Champs last year) that has remained on the team. Derke and Boaster continue to perform, Enzo has been good since joining and Alfa is just getting started, whereas mistic is clearly behind on his role to every single player in this tourney apart from maybe Russ.
At the very least Boaster has been a top 3 fragging IGL for his team, even if u don't like his comms he's a genuinely good smokes player
I also wanna add in here for everyone saying Mistic is an overall awful player, I think he's genuinely a top 6 controller player (boaster, nats, redgar, soulcas, ange1 prob ahead but then after its an odd jumble with guys like zeddy and baddyg all playing well in their limited opportunities) but flex is not his role. Put him on a team like ACE or G2 and I think he could be a very good supportive 4th fragger for the team, or even a team like Fokus , MAD or BIG where he could be a star or even try IGLing
Ya but some of his agents aren't necessary. The average flex player plays 4 agents (usually 3 initiators and 1 in another role) he plays 5 but they don't need a viper player at all with alfa boaster and enzo. If they get someone to play kayo on 3-4 maps, breach on 2-3 and skye on bind(who is better than fade IMO) then the team will be in a great spot. Mistic is a liability on most of those agents anyway so a replacement is necessary
Brave has way too much overlap with enzo and also struggled in big games to frag(150 acs in S1 playoffs with a .72 KD while playing similar agents to enzo) They need a player on skye/kayo/breach which idk if he can fill
FNC gonna drop their last piece of dead weight and have an absolute god squad for champs, might try to grab a guy like Zeek or if they want someone more flexible then try to poach Hoody, Cloud or Molsi
Texture or Meteor or Saya or Bunny or Seoldam>RB
RB----> Texture
DRX literally has the best 3-5 fraggers in the world, literally no one on their team is bad at fragging and all play their roles well (stax top 2 initiator, mako top 2 controller, zest could be argued top 5 igl but more likely top 10). Buzz's struggles on Chamber has made them need to have more consistency on duelist. RB has been their worst performer in every single tournament they've been in, and Texture is the best Korean fragger out there rn.
BcJ showed he was a really good omen this tourney(top 3 in acs with the best of the best on the agent, alongside really good supportive numbers) but failed to live up to his ability as an initiator player. Ayrin on the other hand looked really poor on smokes but showed he could flex well. XSET should move BcJ over to a mostly omen/astra focused role and have Ayrin play the Skye and Fade(which they haven't used at all despite her being the best initator by play and winrate this tourney). Ayrin has played many different roles in the past and used to play the second duelist (raze/phoenix) role for the team that for most players ended up developing into the initiator role.
They could have a lineup where BcJ plays sova(by far his best initator) on IB and Breeze with Ayrin playing Viper(his best agent) and then having ayrin play skye on bind, fade on ascent/haven and sage/fade on split and fracture, leaving BcJ to pick up Brim/Astra/Omen on every other map.
L1nk is the exact same kind of player as Russ is. Theres no point to mess up chemistry by bringing in a guy who is also a low fragger and would prefer to be on a different role anyway. L1nk could not be a worse pickup, and Sayf only plays Skye on bind. They need a guy to pick up at the very least 2 maps of Kay/o, 3 maps of Skye/Sage and a flex of something like breach or viper on other maps.
l1nk doesn't solve anything and they need a skye/sage player, if Zeek finds a way to be better at those agents then definitely but if not honestly Doma could be their best option. If they could also somehow find a way to poach a guy like Hoody, Cloud or Musashi or get a t2 guy like Kicks or Yurii that could be optimal
Def NTH lol Meteor and Joxjo are the only good players on that team
Delz1k still best controller LATAM, or u could have Klaus play smokes since he’s the best igl in the region
I don't think I discounted Pancada at all, if anything his performance this tourney in his games was better than last. I didn't use it much against him but last event he was very much a huge tier away from the 4 i mentioned, including sugarz3ro who was amazing. That also means you count discount sugarz3ro when his team lost because in quals he was still fantastic and far and away the best controller in JP(not saying much but it does prove he still is amazing despite his teams downfalls)
Adding this in to my own post but I actually think nats might be number 5, best controller in EU this qualifier when he was on it
After the craziness of Loud’s exit I was wondering what ppls thoughts were on Pancada. Rn the top 4 controllers are comfortably Marved Mako Sugarz3ro and Sscary but the 5th spot is very up for grabs it seems. Pancada has been good not great but has played a lot of international games and atm the role doesn’t really have anyone else who stands out. Would love to know who else u guys would say, rn Delz1k, Valyn and Mindfreak come to mind as possible competitors but I’d love to hear everyone’s opinion.
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I think the usual suspects were boaster redgar and bonecold with a big tier break after since it was then whatever the fuck liquid do at IGL and kolda/ange1
Listen I get he's one of the worst fragging igl's these days, but you have to give it to him that he's made every team he's been a part of better.
He founded the RYE/ACE team and brought them to first in S1 and top 5-8 in stage 2
Got picked up by G2 and put them at the best spot they ever made it to, IGLed them to the semi's of Berlin and got oddly kicked out as a part of a dispute after last chance
Joins Guild and takes them to their first international LAN after being consistently not good enough for over a year, and starts his first map by top fragging against the world champions
Of course you have to acknowledge that both ACE and G2 took falls after their first success, but he raised a new team to be powerhouses, jumped ship to the biggest EU org and made them a top 4 team, got ridiculed out of the team just to go to a new one and also take them to LAN. He's gotta be the most underrated IGL out there and though his fragging his been abysmal in 2022 you gotta give it to him for constructing and igling this team from the ground up
you managed to pick the two that have shown the least promise throughout their career lol. Atleast Shawn and Temp were on a T1.5 team at points and Rebo has bouned around some ok rosters.
mimifps bunnybee lorri or sarah would be an upgrade on alexis and could make them a solid t2 team in na with a few genuine star players.
It is a little bit different however because that duelist went from a phoenix raze reyna player to a skye kayo player, and now they're back on to duelist but the role is a lot different. Instead of playing the secondary entry they're playing neon and jett a lot more than a lot of them would've, for example zekken on and Jonah on Jett or putting Victor on Neon. Though its still duelist, its def a different form compared to the old 2 duelist jett phoenix meta in early 2021.
In no order
Leaf
Jawgemo
Babybay
Cryo
Tenz
Saya
Koala
Yay
then imo
s0m
will
bdog(his chamber is better)
arguments for
snirot(hasn't competed enough tho)
corey
penny
screwface
Wardell(hasn't played jett in ages but if we're putting chamber into this equation)
IMO that puts him outside the top 10-11 with arguments being worse than any of the bottom 4. I think 8th is def incorrect but I'm not against the top 10 ranking
Probably a top 15 Jett in NA, def wouldn't put him top 10 tho. I think Knights its kinda the perfect level for him, not good enough to be a top 10 jett player on a top 10 team but still in that top 13-14 team range. Better than every T2 jett apart from Screwface IMO so him on any non qualified team would make sense. His real downside is that his best agents are falling out of meta (Jett Skye Reyna) and he hasn't been able to show his potential on chamber(I would say raze but all signs point to him more as an awper than an entry fragger)
I'm kinda over the D3ffo defending after how m3c have looked this year. He just doesn't play as well as other duelists, they've made an effort to support him more and they're getting worse, he entries at a poor success rate and he shuts his brain off a lot and just overheats. M3C's issues span far past just him, but at some point a team that is supposed to be top 5 in the world just needs to be able to have a guy frag out on duelist. The top 5 in the west is probably some combo of optic, fnatic, fpx, loud, and a filler last team that SHOULD be M3C(i'd prob give it to one of the newly succeeding NA teams or Guild). All of these top 4 have a duelist(or even two) who can just frag out and pick the slack when the team is tactically behind. Ardiis is probably the worst of the bunch and he still is miles ahead of d3ffo's play atm. Nats and Chronicle are still in great form, Sheydos cover a wide range of agents and though he's declined redgar is still a good ass igl. D3ffo is such an obvious talent drop from the rest of them that if they replaced him with a guy like Purp0 or B1sk they'd have so much more fragging power
Ya theyre probably gonna keep it together for LCQ if they qual(idk if they will) and maybe have s0m switch to chamber and tex to entry but I expect a big blowup for 2023. Tex and hazed prob aren't top 12 in their role and s0m needs a role change IMO. We'll probably(unless the meta changes like crazy) see them pick up a harder fragging igl, put s0m on a non duelist role(chamber or smokes) and get a star young t2 fragger
Still seems like they have a bunch of good ish players but no one spectacular which has hampered them for a while. EEIU and Ethan are both great initators, Ethan a bit inflexible but its not that big of a deal. I think that core can cover all initators and probably some snippets of sentinel and smokes which is huge
It gets a bit shaky after tho
s0m and has probably been the worst fragging duo in the first 4 weeks so far, and Tex has been the worst main chamber, sorry to be rude its just been so shaky so far, extremely inconsistent. S0m flexs a lot which is nice but he honestly just needs to be put onto a more solid role. We all know he's good but he's been a bit behind in fragging recently.
Hazed is an alright IGL and a pretty bad fragger but plays the very deep support role alright. they're kind just stuck with 3 guys who are all better than the t2 players at their position(aside from maybe v1 and knights) but the sum of the team is just behind the avg fragging power and overall tactics of the teams like xset
i mean ya not to be a dick but what I'm saying is kinda hard to refute, thats why he just downvoted me and didn't respond cuz he got emotional over a stupid subject.
Ya, players on bad teams don't have high KAST, even if they are good lol. He's on a tactically awful team, Kill(he is better than the average duelist at this) Assist(is never put on raze or chamber which adds to assists, plus team rarely gets a kill that isn't his) survive(on the worst team so that will happen very rarely) and Traded(on the worst trading team in NA) so of course he's bound to be lower, his kills can't carry him when he is being put on an agent that has very little assist value(which is a knock on him but he's expressed a desire to play chamber) and his team is so fundamentally bad that he can't get traded or survive.
KAST is an awful stat for duelists, the main downsides of stats like ACS and fk% is that its duelist favored, but if you're comparing duelists then you shouldn't use KAST. In general the duelists with high KASTs are the ones on really coordinated teams, not the duelists that are better
i was under the impression that Nukkye was happy igling but I guess not. TBH IGL's in EMEA are really hard to find so I'm not even sure what IGL's teams could look at, especially when they obviously won't be bringing in Koldamenta
Musashi and Twisten for Mixwell and Meddo fixes so many problems. Twisten has quietly been a top 5 duelist in emea since the start of 2022, and Musashi is just a better version of Mixwell while also being much more flexible. He can play the chamber and every duelist but is also being put on a lot of initiators as well.
He'll be dropped in the inevitable SEN rebuild and go to a team like V1, T1, or COL and absolutely thrive
2 best BIG players both flexible and very good fraggers who have been consistently good throughout all of 2022. Also fits agent pools really well as they now have 4 guys that can play duelist,
Musashi or Twisten can play Chamber(both of those roles have been a problem), and all 4 of those guys have experience playing initators
Kayo(Hoody/Musashi)
Skye(Hoody)
Sova(Hoody,Nukkye,Musashi)
Breach(Hoody,Musashi)
That means Avova can stick to smokes, Nukkye can be put on more aggressive roles, and they can have people who have experience awping on chamber
Optic winning 1 and coming 2nd in another(especially with them being in tougher tournies) for me is more impressive than SEN having longer regional success but being worse internationally.
I really wanted to fit TSM in the top 10 but I value Faze getting top 2 in masters 1 and then being better from there out over TSM winning tournies in 2020, also Rise was 1 win away from LAN and has been better than TSM in almost every event they've played in so I think they have, and then LG I feel like has always been a top 10 team in NA so they shouldn't be left out just because they're rarely top 5.
HM. TSM, Gen.G, NRG
RIP to IMT and ABX but they'd prob round out the top 15
I rate guild the same way I rate XSET, at pretty much any given time they are a top 5 team in EU, but if you don't win anything then I'm not gonna put you above 2 teams that have won major tournies and 1 team that's played at lan. I can def see the argument for them above SMB but I cant put them top 7
Fokus have only been a team for a very short time, if I was using that logic I'd just put in Navi who qualed the first time
1a. Acend(here because IMO they won the most competitive tourney
1b. Gambit(given the 1b title because they came in second in said tourney
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