-Mitch or -Xeppaa?

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Asphyxia

It's a really odd situation for who Vanity replaces.

Currently there are 3 options:
1)Vanity replaces Mitch. So IGL for IGL.
2)Vanity replaces Xeppaa and Mitch or Vanity drop the IGL role.
3)They run a 6 man roster. With Vanity not playing on maps where Astra is weaker such as: Icebox and Breeze.

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4)Vanity replaces Poiz because C9 management is 2head.

So there's problem with each choice.

Problem with Choice Number 1:
So.. Mitch has been playing well. And he's their only sentinel player. I'm not sure if Xeppaa will pick up the sentinel role well.

Problem with Choice Number 2:
Now there'll be 2 IGL's so they have to decide which one will stop IGLing or they'll co-IGL. And Vanity doesn't reunite with Xeppaa. Xeppaa also won't be able to be developed into a star in C9 as well then.

Problem with Choice Number 3:
6 man rosters sometimes just fail over time.

Problem with Choice Number 4:
You need a Jett in the current meta and Poiz is a very good Jett.

#2

Asphyxia

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I think they should Drop Xeppaa or Run a 6 man roster because Mitch has been looking really solid for a while now. But what's your opinion?

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In what world has Mitch looked solid. His strat calling has been awful ever since they made 3rd in challengers finals. Vanity and Mitch are both sage/astra players. No reason why Vanity (an igl) would replace Xeppa (an initiator player).

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I think they end up 6 man rostering and have Xeppaa pick up Skye, Yoru, Viper and maybe Sage. That way they have a pretty unbreakable agent pool where leaf plays duelist/skye sage, poiz plays jett, xeta plays sova, vanity plays controller , mitch plays sentinel and xeppa plays the aforementioned agents.

That means that Xeppaa doesn't play ascent and haven(no need for viper, leaf can play skye or duelist)
Poiz doesn't play bind(jett bad skye viper sage better)
xeta not on split(no sova)
mitch sits out breeze and icebox(viper is better than the sentinel agents making him the odd man out)

Now this could all change if Xeppaa picks up more sova like we are seeing in NSG rn but IMO this would be best case scenario

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Asphyxia

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I agree. Because a ton of people are saying that Mitch should just be dropped. But I worry who'll take the Sentinel role because Mitch was pretty darn good at it. If they do this. That'll literally be the best decision C9 management will ever do.

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Damn.... you having a whole convo with yourself..... but I would say number 1......The IGL/coaching of C9B has been bad.

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Asphyxia

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True. But they did make some good decisions by getting leaf and poiz. If C9 make some good decisions here. That'll decide if they do well next year probably. Because this is the time to make their players gain experience and synergy.

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Zestwy

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Agree.. which is why I think Poiz needs to stay. I just don't think 6 man rosters are the move in this game. I know VS is doing 6 man, but NA val is different to KR val.

So the question becomes if 6 man is not the move and Poiz stays because Jett meta is the way (Poiz can play a good Reyna as well). Who goes? Xeta or Mitch. out of those two, i would say Mitch. I think Mitch is great! and He deserves top tier 1 Val, but C9B need a change from top 10 to top 5.

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The reason why I'm not sure abt the -Mitch is because. You have to have Xeppaa be able to play Sentinel to a tier 1 level. Which is not something I believe he can do.

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I think you are asking probably the BIG question when it comes to C9B, which is: Do you believe in Xeppaa as a top player in this game?

I honestly don't know the answer to that question... i think Xeppaa needs to play more and this question won't get an answer until next year's VCT

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Asphyxia

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True. Hopefully they just keep all of these players for now though. Even though there are technically 7 players. Floppy isn't playing so I think they can still just make a decision later because VCT is much later.

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If Rise and/or TSM get knocked out 1st round then C9B will be in the LCQ for VCT. so I would say they need to figure something out by the end of the NSG event.

Floppy is gone IMO so I already moved on from him (best of luck). But Leaf needs to by on a duelist, putting Leaf on other agents (besides Sage) is not the answer.

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tbf, Mitch stumbled into the IGL role cuz no one else could. So I guess he would just stop calling completely and let Vanity igl and replacing Xeppaa in the roster

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Asphyxia

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That's what I was thinking but I'm not sure if C9 management would be that smart.

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Don't be deceived by Poiz's stats. He can't get first blood and incapable of creating enough space for his team. Not saying that he should be dropped, but he also needs A TON of improvement. I'd rather have leaf as my main duelist and poiz as second.

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Asphyxia

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Well poiz is very new. The fact that he can even put up these performances already. Is fantastic.

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Agree.... out of Leaf and Poiz. I would have Leaf be the main entry than Poiz. Leaf's Raze is nasty!

#14

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I’d say -mitch +vanity, then either move xeppaa to sentinel or -poiz +floppy on sentinel

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i think dropping xeppaa is the best option too. the roles of these players is the main thing. even though mitch and vanity are both igls they both play two different roles too (vanity smokes, mitch sentinel). and even if vanity is also an igl role it has worked before with two igls. for example fns and marved on envy. marved used to mostly igl call for faze and then he moved to envy where fns calls. fns calls the main stuff but marved calls a little too. maybe they can work like that.

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Asphyxia

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But the biggest problem then is. Will Leaf be happy. Idk. Leaf might just leave. And Vanity will be sadder. This can actually impact their morale. Which sounds super dumb. But honestly how happy the players are. Is an important thing to how they play. And also then Xeppaa can't be developed into a star player. But he's just a ton of question marks rn.

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bigpeensheen

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its very obvious alot of people think that -mitch would be more favorable in this situation, so imma go with -mitch

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They're not dropping Xeppa because he probably is going to C9 for his Chaos teammates

#22

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i think mitch as been better than xeppaa but C9 always struggle for igl so i think they'll just let vanity igl for mitch

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plas

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its gonna be mitch and it actually makes sense, this tournament theyre trying xeta on sentinel and mitch on smoker so i think since vanity is igl and smoker its gonna be -mitch +vanity

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Asphyxia

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Rip.

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well ig its itme to ifnally say good bye to og c9

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i wonder if xeppaa is a case like autimatic where they underperform a LOT once they're finally comfortable they become very strong players. because the sentiment from pros suggests that xeppaa has the potential to be one of the best, it's just not happened yet. i dunno

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Asphyxia

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Yea. Idk.

#28

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The main reason why they are picking Vanity up is because he is a great IGL so of course mitch would drop the IGL role if they kept both. Mitch is not a good IGL whatsoever(can't blame him because he's only the IGL out of necessity) either so there is no reason they would keep him on IGL. Also I'm surprised that you never mentioned the option of dropping Xeta since he's clearly been the worst player recently(I'm not saying he is the worst player I'm just saying recently) and because Xeppaa was on Sova earlier. I would switch poiz for xeta in option 4 cause xeppaa could switch over to sova and because of xeta's recent games. If I were running Cloud 9 though, I would run a 6 man roster like the one suggested in #3.

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Asphyxia

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I agree. I didn't watch the two most recent games though so I didn't realize that. They're still probably gonna drop Mitch though Sadly because it seems they're putting him only on Smokes so that the transition can be easier. Unlucky really. Hopefully we get a 6 man roster though. This is the one time I want it because it seems like it'd work so well.

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Fat_Lard

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I mean either option makes sense since poiz and Xeppaa both have so much potential to be stars, Leaf is already a star, Vanity is a great IGL and xeta is a solid player. If they did a 6 man, it would allow poiz and Xeppaa do develop more while still getting playing time and it would allow for them to always play the best comp on every map(and it would take some pressure off of all of the players other than leaf and Vanity who would probably play on every map)

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Asphyxia

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Yea. Hopefully Mitch gets a good team though if he gets dropped.

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it seems like they’re putting mitch on the controller role and xeta on sentinel, so maybe they’re doing that in advance for a 1 for 1 vanity for mitch replacement

#34

FireII

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right now, -mitch, but keep him benched. see xeppaa and how it works out with him and they'll figure it out. they are currently messing with roles, because xeppaa didnt really slot well into the smokes role

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Vanity wouldn’t go to c9 if they bench one of his best friends in his place