Cuz of the <15% pickrate of Vyse in general
Right?
Right!
We surely get Vyse buffs after Champs right?
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cypher needs buffs as well cuz him and vyse are the only counters to neon
Eh Cypher's doing fine pickrate wise so i dont expect anything
True but lets be real Riot's balancing AI only looks at pick rates
the trips are just so hard to hold space with nowadays on defense, if you use two kill trips you are starved for info but if you use an info trip it’s nigh impossible to hold site for more than three seconds + your info trip can be exploited
this might be extreme overcook but a fun change could be to move the trips to the signature, make the cam cost 400 but also be able to detect motion, remove cypher’s ability to know if a trip has been triggered or snipped (it only reveals if someone walks into it) and then make the reveal slightly faster
Honestly i dont find it a bad change except for the cypher cannot know when his trip gets snipped, like why would you remove that?
he would still know from the minimap but i think the agent would become overpowered if he had three full passive info abilities especially if the cam can see shit from far away
Because most sentinels don't know how to play anything else he's the worst sentinel in the game and it's not close
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The only reason vyse pick rates are so low again is bc teams realized that there’s genuinely just no point of playing “defense” anymore. teams are just playing full info cypher and fast rotating and flooding early
Never let anyone tell you this meta is good, they’re lying
No one ever said the meta is good
Everyone wants champs 25 back
I don’t want that meta back, it’s incredibly overrated. People say it’s diverse and that you can play anything but it’s not really true, teams just weren’t familiar enough with waylay/the yoru waylay combo. Pre champs 2024 is the most diverse meta
Honestly i agree
Probably champs 25 + a yoru 20s timer and a waylay saturate being thrown on equip not instant seems like enough changes to be a good enough meta with no true OP agents
Its such an easy painless yet useful change
Honestly the only reason I hate the tenz patch as much as i do is cuz of the vyse no info.
Otherwise i'd hate less
Honestly as a senti main my entire life in the game they aint like they were before the t0nz patch
I've been saying this since the tenz patch and riot still didnt update her
Fuck this indie vibe coding AI. Company
i dont fucking understand why they would remove it in first place, the problem with vyse was that she could stall for too long, not her info gathering, now that that's fixed just give the info back pls rito...
vyse flash is genuinely one of the worst abilities in game, its a breach flash that you can shoot, atleast make it unbreakable or give info back
I swear the Vyse info flash returning is the most universally agreed change ever... Even when Vyse was meta
If the recall cooldown is increased to 30 or 40s sure
With 20s it encroaches on cypher's space of constant passive info
Honestly Cypher has an advantage Cuz his spycam gives identity position and number. Vyse is a boolean yes or no.
It like a Skye Bird vs a Sova Drone
Well yeah cypher should have an advantage bc it's easier to get a flash kill than a spycam kill
Vyse is still actually good but as #6 states as long as double duelist is meta (it will be for a long time... even with phoenix nerfs duelists have the best kit in the game) vyse is not worth playing when you can fast rotate and flood off of trip info - the reason it works is because it's unpunishable to play full retake on an easy retake site (think Haven C) and play full fast rotate to a harder site to retake (think Haven A) and get there in time to util dump and throw bodies at the site and stop the hit at the timing where it's too late to back away. This logic can be applied to pretty much every map since they're all designed this way, so until Phoenix is nerfed and flash Initiator is buffed the game is solved.
I mean Vyse has her shit in the Stall department but anywhere else she's shit.
I miss the info flash cuz on attack it was so valuable more than even defense
Her stall is incredible and she's definitely not bad but I do think sage and Cypher encroach on her pickrate a ton
Defense side she's fine. Attack is my problem cuz KJ has the turret for info. Chamber has the gun
veto has the quick omen tp crosscuts, cypher spycam to act like a mini sova dart/drone...i mean what does vyse have?
thorns for stalling a flood/retake, it's just as strong as KJ mollies for site, I do think Vyse flash being total fucking dogshit on attack is really bad design tho.
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