We surely get Vyse buffs after Champs right?

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Cuz of the <15% pickrate of Vyse in general
Right?
Right!

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cypher needs buffs as well cuz him and vyse are the only counters to neon

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Eh Cypher's doing fine pickrate wise so i dont expect anything

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its mainly cuz of his attack side value tho

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True but lets be real Riot's balancing AI only looks at pick rates

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the trips are just so hard to hold space with nowadays on defense, if you use two kill trips you are starved for info but if you use an info trip it’s nigh impossible to hold site for more than three seconds + your info trip can be exploited

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this might be extreme overcook but a fun change could be to move the trips to the signature, make the cam cost 400 but also be able to detect motion, remove cypher’s ability to know if a trip has been triggered or snipped (it only reveals if someone walks into it) and then make the reveal slightly faster

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Honestly i dont find it a bad change except for the cypher cannot know when his trip gets snipped, like why would you remove that?

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riensluvr
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he would still know from the minimap but i think the agent would become overpowered if he had three full passive info abilities especially if the cam can see shit from far away

#23
Galactc
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Because most sentinels don't know how to play anything else he's the worst sentinel in the game and it's not close

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Chudpher does NOT need buffs

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INFO FLASH BACK PLS

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Please actually. I miss my Vyse info flash plays

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The only reason vyse pick rates are so low again is bc teams realized that there’s genuinely just no point of playing “defense” anymore. teams are just playing full info cypher and fast rotating and flooding early

Never let anyone tell you this meta is good, they’re lying

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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No one ever said the meta is good
Everyone wants champs 25 back

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I don’t want that meta back, it’s incredibly overrated. People say it’s diverse and that you can play anything but it’s not really true, teams just weren’t familiar enough with waylay/the yoru waylay combo. Pre champs 2024 is the most diverse meta

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Honestly i agree
Probably champs 25 + a yoru 20s timer and a waylay saturate being thrown on equip not instant seems like enough changes to be a good enough meta with no true OP agents

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Bump

#13
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Bump

#14
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bump

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Bump

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Bump

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Just give the flash information back, pls riotttttt

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