Actual VCTCN Fix

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nightwinter14
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Obviously the CN haven’t really been competitive for the past couple of tournaments and there’s a couple reason why in my opinion.

  1. Macro and strategic play
    Even though China obviously joined Valorant late and it did affect their development for the last few years, at this point it’s just embarrassing how poor our macro is compared tot he rest of the world. We keep getting the little things wrong, like utility, trades, and lurk timings, and strong fundamentals teams like NRG and VIT have a field day with the information game. And it’s not a problem with isolation or a lack of practice either. Chinese teams practice for very very long hours, 12+ hours a day, and they have consistent scrims with top Pacific teams too. This leads to my second point.

  2. Meta development
    If you go through and watch the CN games last stage you would notice that the CN meta was completely different from the rest of the world. The agents CN played most consisted of Neon Waylay Skye comps. This pop heavy, fast pace was largely due to Riot nerfing waylay in the middle of the stage, and left CN teams no time to change their comps mid stage. This left them ill equipped for the meta they are currently playing, as the best teams on maps like Pearl and Lotus have extremely good understanding of the macro game, which require agents like viper and Vyse that can control entire sections of the map and dictate rotations. CN teams also left for London late, so their extra two weeks of prep wasn't with international teams but domestic teams. Instead of the fast pops they were doing in stage 1, they just look scared to take the fights and peeks necessary to gather information or gain space. I don’t want to hear anything about stage nerves or anything because if you take a look at some of the venues the CN playoffs played in, the audience was insane.

  3. Talent spread
    There is a reason why people called vo0kashu vgod and stating that China has aimers, and that’s cause they fucking do. Like if you go back and watch some of the highlights there are some fucking incredible shots from players you never heard of. The problem is that you don’t hear about them because they are on teams which have no chance of making international stages because of their extremely poor coordination and macro. China has extremely good aimers like Pacific, but with 10 teams, the promising talent feels like it’s spread extremely thin. Some of the players we send to the international stage aren’t international level players (LIFE!!!).

Fixes:

  1. Take a chance on importing T2 coaches. There’s no fucking way we are recycling disfunctional old coaches, instead of taking a chance on promising coaches of t2 teams. Multiple teams have swapped coaches from the t2 scene (nrg comes to mind), with great success. T2 teams scrim a lot with t1 teams, and their coaches can bring strong fundamentals from other regions.

  2. Reformat VCTCN. With the introduction of the new format next year, hopefully top teams can pick up new talent with proven experience, instead of reusing old (washed like Life) players. More extreme would be merging the region with Pacific (hard because of Chinese laws) but currently it feels like the talent pool is spread too thin and emerging talent gets beaten down by strong established teams.

  3. Gain international experience. In games like League of Legends and Counter Strike, teams sometimes travel to more competitive regions (like Korea in LoL or Europe in CS) to get scrim experience with international teams or play solo queue to improve their skills. CN teams continuing to scrim with each other with little improvements and playing a stagnant meta, just to get shit on internationally and learning little to nothing.

That being said XLG is STILL winning this event and EDG will be the runners up (DRG is going 0-2).

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HOSPITALPATIENCE
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understood

#3
nightwinter14
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TLDR: XLG >> FNC

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truth i see through keiko's dma

#4
TEKniqueW
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i aint reading allat

#5
serot
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top priority is surely importing coaches and developing local IGL talent

#9
nightwinter14
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Agreed. I just hate seeing the narrative that it’s a talent problem. It’s a coach+igl problem.

#7
Galactc
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Fuck it make 2 igls share a coaching role with an assistant to make sure things are going smoothly and take turns by only igling half the map pool and see what happens

#10
nightwinter14
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😭😭😭 recipe for disaster

#11
Galactc
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They can become world class igls on 3 maps each since that's all they'll practice and have a permaban so noone gets extra time :)
Plus let's ne honest it's better than having coaches for some of these teams atp 😭

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xv108
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what you do in bo5 then take it like a good boy?

#20
Galactc
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You have a permaban so you only play 6 maps of you end up in a grand final through lowers idk accept your fate or something

#24
MrBlooBloom
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Destroyer ahh idea

#8
SOmysg
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Very well written

#12
captmarshmallow
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you gotta convince the teams that they are playing against other chinese players

#14
shermie
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Don't China scrim with Pacific teams on occasion?

#15
turtle96
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they do, we need more people to leak the scrim results

#16
shermie
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And Pacific is the best region, or at least the most competitive, yeah?

So the problem is the practice itself. Which in part is also a coaching problem.

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snowconedeity
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i 100% agree with the talent dispersion. imo we need EDG to completely implode and send the five pieces of exodia to actual teams that are like 1-2 changed off being insane (TYLOO comes to mind). there’s too much talent in players like Splash, Erv, slowly, Stew, zhe, f4ng, K-ra to be using washed as bums like who DRG have (besides vo0kashu and Spiritz1)

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like i feel like if teams like jdg and tyloo could make it to internationals they would do so much damage they just get roadblocked by xlg and edg

#18
Kaust
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Why singling Life out? Flex1n is definitely also cheeks

#21
nightwinter14
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He was a terrorist on Fpx in kickoff and still is a terrorist in drg

#26
Kaust
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Yeah but Flex1n has been consistently atrocious on every roster. I mean, do you even remember his TYL stint?

#27
nightwinter14
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Flex1n was pretty consistent last stage tho, I’d give him a pass

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Kaust
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Sure, he was serviceable during Stage 1, but that doesn't make it so I can just overlook how objectively mediocre he is, especially for a team pushing for internationals every year. I'd go as far as saying that he is maybe a bit better than Haodong mechanically and maybe on par with BerLIN if I'm being generous. However, he has worse calling and actually atrocious decision making.

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More extreme would be merging the region with Pacific (hard because of Chinese laws) but currently it feels like the talent pool is spread too thin and emerging talent gets beaten down by strong established teams.

APAC is already too big, if APAC fuse with China, we need to split Eastern Asia and Indo-Pacific region to have something equivalent with the 2 other region.

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Yeah the logistic is a little tough, but I was thinking more like an east asia league and Southeast Asia league, and they send their top 4-6 teams in playoffs. This solves a couple of issues actually, Japan and Chinese teams can concentrate talent and improve, pacific fans won’t have to complain about having too many Korean teams, and a better practice for regional talent in southeast asia as their teams won’t have to be based in South Korea. Only problem is China+South Korea+Japan all hate each other lol

#25
Anguibok
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Only problem is China+South Korea+Japan all hate each other lol

This isnt a problem, this make it even more hype hehe

#28
rg999l
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.

#31
Kaust
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One import per team cap though

#30
BoredBystander
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When are they gonna hire some real coaching staff?

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