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Ghostjinn

i've made a post about SRG before and people replied that given time, they think they'd make it into tier 1, if not some srg/gc players would. i'm excluding flor from this conversation because she was anomalously good.

my question is: in how long do you see that happening? i have no horse in this race and simply want to hear other perspectives. i personally question it ever happening given the stagnancy with which they continue to bow out of challengers, averaging 4.25 rounds per map in their 2 latest games (albeit with a standin)

if anyone intends to be malicious and violent in this thread, as happened last time, then go and save it for something else

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chinesesalesmen

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I think individually players like noia could be good on a mixed t2 team , but as a team as a whole theirs zero chance they'd win something in t2 maybe like a year/2 years

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Ghostjinn

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what is it that stops them as a team? i get that alexis and sarah are awful but you'd think with SO MUCH time, practice and investment they'd beat newly formed t2-reject teams

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I think they play hero ball too much. They always have someone or the other carrying the team. Flor or Noia recently. They are better than the worst tier 2 teams, but not good enough to win silverware as a team. Noia can play in mixed rosters tho.

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Araise

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its the individuals arent cut out for this no matter how much work they put in

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i personally still think Daiki in tlv should replace prti in TLA much better calling and good mechanics.

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Ghostjinn

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yeah looking at Daiki's recent games, she's going head to head against teams with players who had just recently played in tier 1 americas, although were quite bad.

she's probably one of the people i think highest of from gc, and who i actually think could do well soon with the right guidance

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More so, i think daiki is an igl and is more likely to get called up compared to some1 in duelist role, like jelly and bizerra are good but teams cant gamble on them, also daiki might actually be grinding ranked the most out of any of the roster and as igl and init, has peaked #49 radiant in br while jelly is #53 iirc at highest so much more dedicated? (no offense to jelly)

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Ghostjinn

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imo teams are historically less likely to pick IGLs from GC/T2 as opposed to individual players who excel. i think it's because the gap in IGLing GC to tier 1 is considered insurmountable, and also you could blame a lot of GC teams' failures on lacking overall direction and calling.

that said I agree and think daiki is the person who could breach that barrier, and being mechanically strong certainly helps her case. leaderboard rankings are also becoming far more important in the modern age.

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daiki is 18 plus right
lohan we have found our smokes player change again go for itt plzzz plzzl plzzz

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the disrespect is crazy

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natalie

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I'm a very big advocate of these players seeking external trials for tier 2 teams outside of game changers. Noia is definitely good enough to compete in the top half of tier 2, under the right leadership and system she can outperform so many. However, the culture in gamechangers is to keep saying you want to play tier 2 you want to play tier 2 and then just not doing anything about it and instead just rotting in gc farming the prizepools and the salaries. Actions speak louder than words.

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CinnamonStew34s

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its like that 1 japanese ranked guy who was so good ppl told him to tryout for t2 but he didnt want to due to $

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Ghostjinn

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i think opportunities are going to get harder as players evolve and younger talents come in, as is already happening. i understand there are problems to do with systemic misogyny and whatnot but i agree, i really can't empathise with not even attempting to maximise your potential as a player. if they're happy staying in srg, fine, but every time they get eliminated they're all depressed, which makes me think they do want more

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natalie

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do they want more? i just don't see it

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Ghostjinn

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you're right about the actions not words thing, and their actions don't really display their commitment. still, i think their reactions to getting knocked out of VCL and making all depressed/"i hate my life" posts shows more intent than someone who is happy sitting in gc forever. it is a little cognitive dissonance but i think they'd be more casual if they truly didn't want more.

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natalie

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my theory is that they've convinced themselves that they want more and they believe they want more but in their hearts they just don't and so that's why there's a dissonance between their actions and their words

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MEL_18

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why are we psychoanalyzing people we do not know?

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natalie

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i'm not dawg why are we using big words its not that deep im just curious why they dont go find teams

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you and everyone else in this thread are tho lol.

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natalie

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nah im not im not smart enough for allat

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Ghostjinn

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yeah let's all not use the valorant forums website to discuss things. we should sit in our corners like npcs and not talk about anything even moderately controversial!

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MEL_18

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Brother this is like your fifth 20 page, times roman, double spaced vlr essay you've written about this team like at a certain point just move on. You clearly aren't a fan and they’re clearly not listening to your "expert" advice.

continue thread →

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100% agree, i think certain imports in china and other players (meiy is a great example) are way too comfortable farming salaries instead of actually trying to get really good at valorant. i think individually i dont see why gc should be so far behind the rest of the game, and i cant think of many gc players who tried to actually get anywhere (except bob, florescent maybe?)

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natalie

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yea huge props to bob and flor for actually trying to make smth of themselves and joining 4-1 teams

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i predict 4 years

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never if they don't want to get out of the counterproductive environment that is the GC circuit
In ~1.5 year if some good GC players actually try to perform in a T2 team

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SRG has a different issue, that being dodonut is a heavy choker when it comes to VCL, both splits they participated she was the lowest rated player.

Skill plays a big part, given (AND TAKEN) opportunities also play a part, and lowkey I'm sure sexism has denied at least one of these players to progress further in their attempt at a career in Valorant outside of GC.

I can see Sarah, Noia, Daiki, Jelly, dods, doing well in a different roster in T2.
If we are talking about progress in the GC league, It's not about current players in GC, it's about the future ones and if they opt to elevate further. The change will need to be generation by generation, not year by year because of the pool of GC competitors, which is quite smaller if we look at it separately from the general talent pool.

In the grand scheme of things, the scene exists for 5ish years and just now they got more than 1 team to T2. It'll take a lot more time for anything more than that.

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Ghostjinn

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i know g2 mimi had experience with sexism denying her which was a shame.

i don't know about sarah because i haven't seen her do anything remotely impressive against tougher competition but agree on the rest. it sucks because the GC scene is full of people who either play casually or just aren't anywhere near as good as the t2 grinders. it's completely counterproductive to sit in GC and farm part-timers, and the GC scene would need an unrealistic overhaul for the level of competition to be worth it

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MEL_18

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Ah yes the monthly SRG vlr thread lmao

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Ghostjinn

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problem? you seem overly defensive

unlike you, i don't keep active tabs on vlr, and so if i want to discuss something, i will. there could have been 1000 SRG threads this year and i wouldn't know and would still want to discuss it

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brother cant fathom that people in a valorant forum talk about fucking valorant

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MEL_18

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were do I say these words in my comment? My issue is with the person writing the thread.

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i think they're more comfortable winning GC prizepools since they're the top of GC rather than winning scraps and a big mac in tier 2 so there's no incentive unless like Flor they genuinely can play in tier 1