idk if im delusional but watching t2 in 2023 felt way more entertaining than anything after it
maybe its just bc i was more familiar with the players
nowadays we have random immo3 who plays for fresh out of premier esports
back in t2 prime we had real pros
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Yeah 2023 t2 was so good I feel like the level of play was also just higher back then over there as well at least to me
T2 had better teams back then, now it has better individuals. 2023 was just the individuals on m80, TGRD, and a few players sprinkled throughout. Nowadays, every t2 na team has probably at least 1 player worthy of franchising, even on the really awful teams
yea now that i think about it i just liked the overall style of play from the better teams
and alot of the worse teams now are legit ranked players so it makes sense ive never heard of them and they struggle in pro scene
Canezerra, Ion2x and Nightz would diff anyone from tier 2 2023 if they played in the same era.
None of the players on those teams are half the players they are right now after they already played in tier 1.
that is so not true lmaoo that was a tier 1 team before 2023. the 2nd/3rd best NA team of 2022
What the actual fuck are you talking about? You realize trent and valyn were on The Guard right? And eeiu and koalanoob were on M80?
Actually I may have misread what you said but just look at Ascension 2023 stats lmfao
Trent is better than all 3 of those guys but tbh I don’t think anyone else is better than those 3
I think you don't have any idea just how many players from that time graduated to T1 and did really well. Johnqt, skuba, mada, verno to name some non obvious ones.
Comparing 2023 mada to 2024 mada or 2025 mada is night and day bro mada was fucking garbage in 2023 and arguably played bad enough to not even deserve a t2 spot in 2024
TGRD
Valyn
Trent
JonahP
Tex
Net
(This already clears all of 2026 vcl)
M80
JohnQT (Future masters winner)
Koalanoob (T1)
Eeiu (T1)
Zander (T1)
Nismo
OXG
Verno (T1)
Reduxx (T1)
Skuba (Future champs winner)
Mitch (T1)
SRB
V1c (T1)
Mada (Champs Winner)
Moose (T1 after)
MXS
Brawk (Future champs winner + mvp)
Flyuh (T1)
Faze
Babybay (T1)
Supamen (T1)
TSM
Nature (T1)
Seven (T1)
DSG
Yay (Masters winner)
Steel (First Strike winner)
MAD
Trick (CFA Eater)
N4rrate (T1)
G2
Oxy (T1)
Shahzam (Masters winner)
Penny (T1)
TTR
Okeanos (T1)
Gov (T1)
Legit retarded if you even think for 5 seconds about this statement being true
So many sneaks. Several of these players were fucking dogshit in 2023 and improved heavily to become who they are today. This applies to:
eeiu (not dogshit but just good, now he’s elite)
Reduxx (very very mid newbie talent in 2023)
Mitch (wasn’t good as an individual then and still isn’t now lol, good igl tho)
Vic (mid in 2023)
Mada (mid in 2023)
Babybay (maybe a victim of his team but nothing special in 2023)
Seven (took a VERY long time to become good, he was an inconsistent shitter before 2025)
Steel (LOL ur a clown for even typing this, he’s not even a good individual I just had to point that out)
Trick (ur fat and garbage and got carried by OXY and narrate)
Penny (played dogshit in 2023 and actively dragged OXY down)
Okeanos (was so fucking garbage he got kicked from TTR, didn’t become good till he was on Blinn)
Gov (was never good and especially not in 2023)
"Trick (ur fat and garbage and got carried by OXY and narrate)"
You forgot Zexrow.
either your parents were siblings or you are intentionally retarded on 5,000 vlr posts
You ate 5000 lbs worth of food last week and somehow none of it went towards developing a brain
its also because everyone was watching it, most of the players were former t1 players who everyone knew and liked
prob because NA had players like eeiu johnqt koalanoob valyn jonahp trent tex mada skuba brawk there just to name a few nowadays you have few truly relevant ones
I mean bro in 2023 you had fucking yay playing in promo/relegation AND LOSING and now im seeing "Tim" and "Retrq" (no slime to them) winning it
even the most unknown ppl in 2023 vcl ive heard of before besides like the guys on OResports
probably because it was the first year after franchising so every good player who didnt make it to a franchising team just went to t2
I have to agree, for some reason I watched so much t2 na that year even though it was fucked time zone wise for me. I remember that G2 team, moist, oxygen, that guy zeldris from Or eSports, that insane map of bind where everyone was acing. I remember thinking this guy nismo would be him in vct 2024 lol.
There’s less talent joining the scene and a lot of borderline t1 players quit. Also flair
t2 was really interesting last year with the ENVY storyline, it still is this year but to a lesser degree i guess
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