vlr pro city honestly shouldn't require that many people as it's largely run by a discord bot. we will also be launching staff applications anyway

unfortunately my loyal made in brampton fan there are not due to low interest + no brazilian admin to run it

likely would do both simultaneously

The tournament as a whole in my opinion has been an overall positive towards community engagement. The server has been around for almost 3 years now its inevitable bad stuff is gonna happen.

the whole point of this is to try to "fix" many of those issues.

The scope of the tournament is really large, and one of the reasons this "poor management" and "not being able to sign up as full teams" thing has been a problem is due to limited volunteers and staff. This pro city format would allow thing to ruch much much much much more smooth as it would be easier to run the format with less people

as per people in the discord server being absolute weirdos, i'd like to think the people in the server are more normal than the people who actively use these vlr forums lol. there's been a pattern of active VLR members "quitting" vlr forums to become more active and engaged in the server since there are more like-minded people who aren't just there to troll and ragebait.

i know what weirdos you might be specifically referring to and i know the new eu management has taken steps to personally ban all of those people, to the point where they did a complete overhaul on the tournament to even where they deleted to old chat where those actors used to participate. it's a lot more chill and less toxic.

once again, i just want to reiterate any active member on the server will tell you it's been an overall net positive for the community and all big servers (vcc has like 1300 members or something) will have bad actors but the good has outweighed the bad. i am happy to answer any questions or address any concerns people have

would you be interested in a vlr pro city with different tiers depending on rank / skill level with a discord bot and mmr system similar to how tariks procity runs

edit: all regions of course

edit 2: it's coming soon confirmed. thank you for the responses everyone I appreciate it. Stay tuned on VLR or this thread in the future for a discord invite link and a formal launch (if you want to join the server ahead of time here is a link, but nothing is set up as of now. https://discord.gg/S5exzexHdt

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"gamble on a sub"

they are already qualified and hes their actual player LMFAO you are too braindead

yoru ult sees both the viper and the fade in the ult and he just does nothing and whiffs

usa should be narrate instead of jawgemo for better roles

Roster has a high ceiling and hopefully can be good next year

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22-8 next dude on his team is 9-10

meteor has more drive to win than so many pros who haven't won. how many people do you know would cry because their team wasnt playing well enough?

you have no idea what the players actually want and are judging based off their trophies, but this doesnt make any sense. Meteor is a perfect example of this.

watch the T1 stage 1 documentary, meteor deadass started crying in it because he felt like the team wasnt taking it seriously enough, and dude has TWO trophies already

how do you know less doesnt want to win just because he has a trophy already? Players have said that winning once makes them want to win even more to relive the feeling

less paired himself with a "superteam" in a new region while barely speaking english to try to win again

dude literally broke up with his girlfriend before it happened as well, possibly because of the move to europe

he definitely wants to win

sato? lukxo? genuinely looking like some of the best players in Americas rn

UPDATE: WE WON 2-0

BET THE HOUSE ON MADE IN BRAMPTON

MADE IN BRAMPTON WIN

Champs points will be #3 and #4 seed

the last four rounds of the game apeks led the round with a pick, 5v4. they lost each one of those rounds

The last map KC had 6 first bloods while apeks had 18, and still lost

How can it not be a 50/50 fight because its a double peak but also be a misplay as he has to swing on a bad angle which allows narrate to get out

Jawgemo doesn't have to reposition under the box and can actually walk towards waterfall if he wants to, walk towards stairs, or stay where he is. All while knowing where narrate is, while narrate has no idea where jawgemo is. He would be out of trent's line temporarily, which is why trent would've walked up towards close main to properly fight with jawgemo

even if you're right, jawgemo DID swing (look at stairs) but narrate jumped on the ledge which prevented jawgemo from seeing him. it was a bad angle for a contact play

Jawgemo can use trent's info to reposition to avoid a 1v1, which has a much higher success rate than trent's pure 50/50 aim fight.

never said he was worried about yoru being mound, but you can see after narrate gets the kill on trent he checked three angles for jawgemo: under site towards the main side, under site towards the water side, then stairs, which is where jawgemo was in the end. He was worried about jawgemo being in one of these three angles. Meanwhile, he swung the most common angle in main, where trent was holding, and just won the 50/50 fight there.

Hindsight sure, whatever, heat of the moment, but your original post can be attributed to hindsight similarly as jawgemo might not have known trent was gonna rawdog the fight and wasn't in a position to trade off him. you can see this in the round as jawgemo kind of panicked, swung stairs, even though narrate had faked the jump, which didn't allow him to properly trade. its a poor argument as most intense 1v2 clutches like that where the players are isolated the loss can be attributed to hindsight.

narrate knows where jawgemo could be not where he is. you can literally see after he kills trent he checks under site towards the main side, under site towards the waterfall side, then checks stairs and got lucky he in fact was stairs.

obviously he knows he's in 1 of the 3, but you can literally see after he killed trent he didn't know which one. the reason he won the 1v1 despite that is because he faked the jump on the box, which made jawgemo hesitate to where he was, then narrate won the aim duel

Narrate will still be worried about site yes but has to watch one of three angles, while jawgemo knows exactly where he is. This fact of narrate having to worried about 1 of three angles definitely is more impactful than jawgemo's limited health (which isn't even 1 hp) to giving an advantage to the fight.

the second point you said is exactly what they should've done to maximize their odds, like I said, jawgemo could've either taken the advantaged fight off trent's info if he felt so, or just repositioned himself away from narrate (as he had the info where he was) while trent walked up.

Trent took a 50/50 fight

If he jiggles, and gives jawgemo the info where he is, jawgemo's chances of winning the fight are ABOVE 50/50, as narrate doesn't know where he is, Jawgemo knows where narrate is, and narrate will likely be paying attention towards Trent.

Even if jawgemo doesn't take this fight, he can position himself to get AWAY from narrate as he has info where he is, which would allow trent to walk up into close main to fight with jawgemo who is positioned towards main.

If you want to maximize the likelihood of winning a fight, trent shouldn't have taken the 50/50 and tried to setup jawgemo with info to either take a favoured fight, or reposition to double fight with him together

trent leaving site was fine because if you see earlier in the round he was checking their flank. he just played the position in main poorly

neither player had any info on where narrate was in that round. trent was in the perfect position to jiggle and find info for the two of them. if you actually watch the round, trent was doing this, playing a pixel info angle, but when seeing narrate, instead of tucking, repositioning main to fight with jawgemo, he just takes the 50/50 and loses. Jawgemo actually did try to trade this as well, as you can see he swung stairs on the minimap, but narrate incorrectly assumed jawgemo was underneath him. Jawgemo heard the jump, assumed he was on the box, and just lost the fight has he had to 50/50 guess the angle.

The reason jawgemo was in this position in the first place was because earlier in the round, he had double swung with Valyn to get a kill stairs, and tried to respoition to fight toward the Main side of site to fight with the viper (babybay). Babybay dies to the odin spam before jawgemo can get to him, and before he can get BACK to valyn in stairs, valyn gets swung and killed. At this point in the 2v1, they have no info on narrate, and trent SHOULD be playing info as he's in the position to hold cross (and then you refer to the first part of this post for how he trolled that)

Blaming rounds for individual players doesn't do much, but analyzing how each player played, Trent definitely made more of a "mistake" than jawgemo did, but it doesn't really matter.

he'll get better on it and he's been playing it in ranked

cortezia is a known headshotter and artzin has played cypher before... probably would be easier to IGL on as well

you guys will say aspas shouldn't play yoru but it allows him to op on this comp. they should just switch the iso player, and their shooter cortezia should be on it

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deadass we would beat this team with artzin on iso

artzin iso yeah ggs 13-0

i was people unfortunately :(

he was supposed to be next up after his 2023 year :(

dude did it in the precambrian era

Breaks are needed sure but addresses other issues that my point doesn't cover. If chronicle wins the grand finals I will be calling him a 4 time winner

then how do you judge kickoff format? where LAST YEARS placements can dictate teams seeding despite their current roster. a team that did good last year with a shit roster only needs 3 consecutive wins to qualify to bangkok, which definitely allows fluke potential. The top domestic teams for EWC qualifier would have to have won 5 consecutive matches to qualify through the upper seed.

bo1s I understand are dumb, but if you judge which teams are in playoffs, i'd say most of the best teams made it (barring g2 cuz they had a sub)

edit: idk why title says both ewc brainfart moment but ignore

people have been saying that EWC is a tier below Masters or on the same level of Lock in and they are both below masters. This take is dumb and doesn't make any sense. EWC had 16 teams participating, with every VCT team except for Loud having a chance of qualifying.

By design, the EWC teams are theoretically of higher quality as well, as the top 2 teams from split 1 in each region auto qualified to it.

you can complain about the format, sure whatever, but look at the playoffs and compare the quality there to masters bangkok. Fnatic, GenG, TH, Prx, SEN, are all elite teams who have been good this split and will be good next split and for champs. Meanwhile, Bangkok playoffs had Vitality, T1, EDG, and G2. T1 and Vitality are both teams that had good starts to the year but have been pretty underwhelming the rest of the year, with T1, the former masters winners, not even making Masters Toronto.

The quality of this playoffs would have only have gone up if G2 had their full roster, as they likely would've made playoffs with Leaf, further cementing the idea that the playoffs teams quality is stacked.

tldr: format being bad doesn't mean shit as playoffs was stacked regardless, and if anything this tournament has more quality teams than 1st master tournaments like bangkok and madrid

this is his 6th grand finals appearance, really fucking crazy lmfao

nah u spitting not a real tournament zombs wasn't there

Yeah man love watching BO1s and a rushed schedule that tries to do a 16 teams champs format in FIVE DAYS

Needed a canadian cuz of visa shit I assume

LOL he's subbing for nats

https://x.com/LiquidValorant/status/1928119140738371813

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AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT EG ICY OR FURIA KON4N

infiltrator in t2 on a collegiate team while Icy is in t1

who is IGL for furia academy

hacknaija would never

racist to brazil