is it okay for the team’s igl to go negative every game?
is it okay if he goes like -15 or something as long as he has good calls and keeps the team coordinated?
sometimes i feel like what’s missing in a lot of teams is the igl being a fragger, and we all know that’s super rare these days
if ethan hadn’t had that performance in the last map of champions, fnatic would’ve been champs...
Fuckkkkkk no !!!!!
-15 every game is retarded beyond belief
if you go neutral thats still like alright
but the only way ur gonna win is if ur igl can frag and call
that''s why g2 was in their golden era
g2 choked an international in their golden era with an igl who was a fragger... complicated
Ya but they still looked like prob the best team there
It's the oppostie thing with Boaster because they also choked int's bc of his fragging
this is something ive been considering for a while, i wonder if there's actually any correlation but I hugely prefer an IGL that can kill a la verno, ethan etc
yeah, an igl who can get kills and clutch is a rare gem in the scene.
that’s why i’m glad mibr kept verno (for those who don’t know, valyn and trent did tryouts at mibr, that’s why verno did a tryout with sentinels back then, when everything leaked)
even though valyn can also be a fragger, in the long run i think verno has more potential to be better than him, both in fragging and calling plays
yes, my unpopular (?) opinion is that verno is probably the most valuable player in all of americas, he's a riens, trent level initiator but also a great caller. which ironically makes MIBR feel like a likable team to me even if i am sometimes forced to hate as a heretics fan
You can BUT you have to be a GOATED IGL in terms of midrounding like Boaster, FNS, ANGE1, etc
zellsis and shao disagree with you, they’re tier 1 players going negative in almost every game
shao is literally getting outfragged by botster, who is probably ascendant mechanically :sob:
this is motivational, if you’re an ascendant or immortal but super smart and have a lot of technical, spatial, and situational game knowledge, you can become an igl!!!!
Yes, and neither C9 nor Navi will make it to a single international. Bah, maybe Navi could since that region is so ass.
i’d say they’d have to be the primary source of good calling and good vibes, and even then there will always be a ceiling
If it results in a W then a lot of things get overlooked but if its the reason for a loss and multiple losses then its an issue
Experience: Hello! I IGL for a tier 2.5 team, Ive also watched VCT for 4 years, I believe I can give some insight.
https://tracker.gg/valorant/premier/teams/dee29c91-7b1f-4ac7-87c0-6685d504c7d0/overview
I peaked IMMO 2 156 RR https://tracker.gg/valorant/premier/teams/dee29c91-7b1f-4ac7-87c0-6685d504c7d0/overview, Ive played against the best teams in OCE albeit losing and participated in many tournaments (notably not VLR ones). And ive also played against some tier 1 pros before.
Now on Average I have a 311 tracker score in prem. And I usually am either +1, +2 or negative, there are times I do well, but its not the average, and I have absolutely had tragic -15 games.
Actual take: It really depends on the teams system. Its all about the what you are doing on IGL, and how do you set the team up to do well. on my team for example, we hard set up duelists, they are 90% of where the utility is going towards and have the highest chance of getting favoured fights. So the only kills im getting are clutch kills with low utility or trades. Other teams may differ, such as TL often set nAts up with game winning lurks, or TH who are a trade heavy team famously sending miniboo in like a drone.
For teams that have heavy fragging IGL's they play around that, and the system sets them up to frag, for G2 its the team fights they do and the trades they set up, for TL or EDG its nAts or nobody lurking and trading teammates. Etc etc. For teams like fnatic where everyone is being set up but boaster, its expected for him to go negative, if he isnt going negative, he is either having a life game, or the enemy just isnt that good. boaster is sacrificing his fragging with calling. the spots he is in, are often not favoured for him, as most "easy duels" are set up for kajaak and alfa.
Different systems are not better than others, some teams do really well with fragging igls, some teams do really well with non fragging igls. the system bends around the players you have, you dont force the players to bend around the system. Obviously there are caviets, going quad neg in a game is terrible, and require you as an IGL to be making the perfect calls and have the 4 players on your team be better than the enemy. but overall It is often okay for IGL's to go negative and still for them to have a majority positive impact. Being an IGL means you focus a lot of your awareness on everything but the game.
A team like fnatic, would never go that far with a player like Valyn or Nats, if they stuck to the same system. Going Neutral for an IGL is like the perfect spot you want to be in for most teams. as that is the most common system for teams to play towards
valyn is the perfect igl, he can shoot and call
just needs some time and he'll be the next big thing
depends for sure, for example ( i know this is a different game, but still applies ) Karrigan, the IGL for FaZe is one of the worst fraggers in the game, but the role he plays in game allows him to be more impactful. On T side, he acts as the entry who can easily get traded by his teammates if he doesn't get the kill
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