Has to be EMEA. Haven’t put up a trophy in the past 7 events out of the 9 total. Plus they don’t even want to source players from their own region atp. 7 AMER imports this season alone, one of whom saved FNC in lower finals. Plus the possibility of more next Americas players going to EMEA season.
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dont get ahead of urself. a "region ranking" isnt only based on trophies. it is about the strength of the region overall:
strength of region rankings (objectively):
- 2023: amer > emea > pac > china
- 2024: amer > emea > pac > china
- 2025: emea > pac > amer > china
so in conclusion, post-franchising: amer >= emea > pac > china. 0 debate
also amer, emea, pac all got 3 trophies each.
2025:
EMEA at internationals:
- FNC: top 2, top 2, top 2 | 1st EMEA Stage 1
- TH: top 11-12, top 1, top 5-6
- TL: top 5-6, top 9-10, top 9-12 | 1st EMEA Stage 2
- VIT: top 4 | 1st EMEA Kickoff
- GX: top 7-8
- BBL: top 5-8
- KC: top 5-8
...
PAC at internationals:
- PRX: top 1, top 4, top 4 | 1st PAC Stage 2
- T1: top 1, top 9-12
- DRX: top 5-6, top 9-12, top 3 | 1st PAC Kickoff
- GEN.G: top 5-6, top 3
- RRQ: top 7-8, top 9-12, top 9-12 | 1st PAC Stage 1
...
AMERICAS at internationals:
- NRG: top 5-8, top 1
- G2: top 2, top 4, top 13-16, top 7-8 | 1st AMER Kickoff, 1st AMER Stage 1, 1st AMER Stage 2
- SEN: top 7-8, top 5-6, top 5-8, top 13-16
- MIBR: top 11-12, top 5-6
- 100T: top 13-16
they were the most competitive and best region of 2025.
RBHG and EWC are not even close to being the same.
RBHG straight up invites most of their teams.
for EWC, teams had to qualify through VCT Stage 1 (yes "VCT Stage 1") or EWC qualifiers to ensure the best teams were at the event.
RBHG max prize pool was like $100k. EWC had $1.25mil.
EWC is S-tier unlike RBHG.
The last time EMEA won a trophy:
PRX Something (APAC mvp) could not come due to visa issues.
Loud (2022 champions) were facing serious internal conflicts.
Eg Demon1 (soon to be world champion) did not get any practice time with his team for synergy and even then eg made the gf and arguably gave a tough time for fnc.
The moment these things got sorted out, (i.e. at champs LA since we did not have a second masters in 2023 due to L0ck 0n) fnc got shut down by these teams on the biggest stage of the year.
fnc got shut down by these teams LOUD on the biggest stage of the year.
FNC LOCK//IN + Tokyo were not flukes.
I could say similar stuff about GEN.G Shanghai (TH had a sub) & PRX Toronto (FNC got 4th pick in playoffs and faced FNC/PRX's Kryptonite before PRX in playoffs)
also i love how u completely ignored my ewc point when u realized i was right/u had no counter-argument.
Never said it was a fluke?? Maybe a mickey mouse. But the fact that you bring it up shows that even you feel it in your heart that it probably was a fluke.
Th did extremely well at shanghai they put up a very good fight. Never doubted them.
Cut out with this "Kryptonite" narrative. Since 2023 champs, the playstyle of fnatic has been exposed time and again and accordingly exploited by various teams. It's fnatics problem that they're stubborn and want to stick to the same plan no matter what. Just doesn't work like that now.
- Ewc is the not a part of the vct circuit.
- Too many flaws in the structure of the tournament (for example, best of 1s, single elims)
- Negligible recovery time; right after toronto and before stage 1. To top it all china was already IN their stage 2!! Imagine having to prep for all of that? And what's the gain?? No circuit points or placement benefits.
Never said it was a fluke?? Maybe a mickey mouse. But the fact that you bring it up shows that even you feel it in your heart that it probably was a fluke.it's called "inferring" based on what u said. Also mickey mouse and fluke are 2 different things and when you said that PRX Something was not able to attend and EG Demon1 was not getting enough practices, I inferred that u meant FNC's win was a fluke. What else would you mean by that LMAO?
You said which means you think it was a fluke. Not me. But it's okay a lot of people will agree with you on the fact that it was probably a fluke (though I personally do not think so I just stated out the facts and the scenarios)
Also I don't think you read what I typed because I did not say anything about lock in being a fluke
My point wasn’t regarding how these independent organizations arrange their tournaments, it’s that it’s not a part of the vct circuit. It’s like adding Steph Curry’s 3 point totals from Olympic matches when discussing who the best NBA 3 pointer is. Besides, even if you wanna argue the qualification standards for EWC are more similar to riot tourneys, the EWC bracket format doesn’t even track with Masters/Champs. Also what does prize pool have to do with anything. If rbhg had a $1,000,000 prize pool would the tourney suddenly be more competitive/ have more merit in your eyes?
Alright Einstein, count with me. 1. Lock In, 2. Masters Tokyo, 3. Champs LA, 4. Masters Madrid, 5. Masters Shanghai, 6. Champs Seoul, 7. Masters Bangkok, 8. Masters Toronto, 9. Champs Paris. 9 tourneys, just as I said in the ORIGINAL post on this thread, obviously referring to the 9 VCT tournaments since franchising. There is no narrative from me, I have defended exactly what I laid out in the original post. The narrative is coming from people like YOU who are twisting the meaning of the original post to validate YOUR cope!
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read #8: https://www.vlr.gg/568619/worst-region-post-franchising/#8
also by ur logic (which is stupid):
EMEA: 3 team region
AMER: 2 team region
EMEA had VIT, TH, FNC making top1-4 while AMER only had NRG/G2 make top1-4
- Ewc is the not a part of the vct circuit.
- Too many flaws in the structure of the tournament (for example, best of 1s, single elims)
- Negligible recovery time; right after toronto and before stage 1. To top it all china was already IN their stage 2!! Imagine having to prep for all of that? And what's the gain?? No circuit points or placement benefits.
Bro acts like FNC and PRX didnt have the most tiring schedule...yet they made the top 4 of EWC.....
I think an event with double the teams....2.5 time the prize is more legit ....a 8 team event is not real lets be honest ..12 is acceptable even though is still lower in both aspect ....but l will slightly say Master 2 is better on overall aspects that far outweight the positives of EWC....but in no world master 1 is better than EWC....it a fact not opinion.....
You either are EU hater or Islamphobic to say EWC is not legit
The first 2 points are more than enough to justify the mickey mouse narrative of ewc
Nowhere did I say anything about Islamophobia defamation is a serious no no. Accusing me of things I did not even say to add to your weak and pathetic arguments?? C'mon 😂😂
Nor do I hate eu it's is extremely commendable how consistent fnatic have been for the entire year and th atleast won a non vct trophy so there's that. Eu is stacked with insane players. All the eu banter that I indulge in is solely due to sentinelmain since I want to see how far he can put up with his delusion
EMEA has made multiple finals and overall has performed well. Also EMEA has so many slots so teams have to compete for the best players and thats why it takes bit before teams start filling up with good players and get consistency. Every season many teams have to sign bunch of rookies for this reason including imports and fight for their existing players. Now we are finally getting to point where EMEA as a whole has good pool of proven players like we saw end of Stage 2 and it will just get better. EMEA was always going to take the biggest hit after franchising. Most teams/slots and biggest talent pool to pick from due to huge amount of tier 1 and 2 players. Many teams are going to fail.
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