Chronicle disrespect

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undoubtly top 3 players of all time
and probably the best
with GAMBIT in 2021:
Masters Berlin: 1.26 rating (top 2 tied up with nAts), Top asister and 3rd in Kills
Finals MVP with 1.45 rating and a +28 playing Sova, Viper and Brim averaging almost a kill per round (0.99)

Champions: 1.19 (best rated semifinalist, Top 4 of the tournament tied up with yay and leaf), Top fragger of the tournament

M3C 2022 (they were playing in horrible conditions, we should agree that wasn't a way to compare him)

FNC 2023:
Lock-In: probably not a great performance, but stills good 1.10 rating being the 3rd best player in FNC and 5th between the finalist, worst FNC player in the final
League: 1.19 rating (Top 4 of the tournament just behind Alfa, Sayf and Leo)
Masters Tokyo: 1.19 rating (Top 3 of the tournament just behind Alfa and Leo), a normal final with a simple +1 and 1.01 rating
Champs: until this day was probably his worst international performance with a 0.94 rating

FNC 2024:
Stage 1: 1.08 rating not a huge performance but pretty good
Shanghai: not oficial rating, but a 172.5 acs very low but understandable (one of the worst FNC performances ever)
Stage 2: 1.22 (TOP RATED PLAYER tied up with Grubinho who wasnt even in the playoffs)
Champs: 1.21 (Top 4 of the tournament behind primmie, Derke and trexx) (Top 2 of only playoffs players)

FNC 2025:
Stage 1: 1.06 rating, good not a lot but good, 1.13 in playoffs (top 5 tied up with Alfa)
Toronto: 1.13 rating (TOP 8 tied up with whzy)
Stage 2: 1.02 rating, pretty ok, 1.22 in playoffs (TOP 2 just behind Ruxic)
Champs (so far): 1.16 rating (TOP 5 tied up with kaajak)

this guy has been the most consistent player of all time
this is the list of players with the most top 10 performances in international events (not counting Shanghai):
Chronicle: 5
yay: 5
MaKo: 5
if the list of this champs goes on as it is today it will be:
Chronicle: 6
yay: 5
MaKo: 5
aspas: 5

also crazy thinking this were his played agents in those 6 performances:
Champs 2025: Viper, Vyse, Breach (so far)
Toronto 2025: Cypher, Viper, Sage, Killjoy, Vyse
Champs 2024: Sova, Viper
Tokyo 2023: Breach, Viper
Champs 2021: Sova, Killjoy, Brimstone, Skye
Berlin 2021: Sova, Viper, Brimstone
4 different years, 9 different agents, 3 different champions, 6 different tournaments

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT TITLES
this guy is not just the only player to have 3 titles
is also the only player to ever play 5 Grand Finals
he has 5 International Grand Finals and only 3 International performances without a Grand Final (Champs 2023, Shaghai 2024, Champs 2024)
has never been grouped in a league qualifier for international events (Reykjavik 2021 and 2022, Copenhagen 2022, Champs 2022, Madrid 2024 he was 1 match away from all 5 tournaments)
his worst was this years KickOff being 2 matches away and technically the Stage 2 being 3 matches away, stills never been out of playoffs
he has also 2 Regional titles with Gambit (Masters and Challengers) and so far 3 more with FNC (VCT EMEA LEAGUE)

CHRONICLE is not a title merchant, not a team winner only
is the most consistent player of all time who's only year without a top 10 international performance, was not even his fault
this guy is the flex GOAT and is in the conversation to be the GOAT
(just to clear, i think this conversation is between Alfa, Chron and Aspas) (Leo and Yay deserve a top 5 for what they did in their years) (f0rsakeN also could enter in the conversation, for me he is 6th)

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tl;dr

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"allat"

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i think its already been between chronicle & aspas

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Alfajer MVP in Tokyo
people MVP in Toronto
and is on his way to be the MVP in champs
no way you get him out of the conversation

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Kaajak and Chronicle are both in reach to surpass him. Lets wait for the event to end first before giving MVPs.

One things for sure though... It aint Aspas XDD

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yeah i meant he is the most likely as of today

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yes of course. The guy finishing 6th will win MVP bracelet XDDD.

As of now Alfajer is the likeliest ya goof

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im talking about alfajer ya goof
"and is on his way to be the MVP in champs"
MVP of Tokyo wasn't chronicle brother

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sorry its late.

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no worries brother

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kaajak played shit 2/4 of games in champs btw aspas was carrying all 4

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eye test will tell you hes not the goat though

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Your eyes test tells you to get glasses

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not even top 5

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Registered: August 21, 2025
is like start seeing football this year and saying Dembele is the GOAT

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still below alfajer

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one of the things with players that had to go through tougher things like Gambit, FPX Leo, etc. Is that people treat them do differently, it's unrealistic to void his 2022 entirely, but also unrealistic to include all the placements.
That being said, aspas has shown this year that he can carry a team, something that not really any player has shown that much

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losing is not carrying brother
making a crazy match and breaking individual records but losing is not carrying

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he carried them passed many wins still in champs?? And he technically carried in the maps that they won

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They think Aspas is like old Vitality Zywoo 😂😭

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braindead. you can carry and still lose. its not even like games are decided by 1 map its a bo3 what are you even talking about

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consistently making the craziest matches you have ever seen, yeah

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Some random US flag bearer will get mad 😂🤣

W as usual, one of the only legit ball knowing accounts on this website.

I look forward to your scouting threads bro

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W
TY brother, i'm not working a lot rn in VCT things, but finishing the year i'll restart with it

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Derke:

all international Stats:
1.06 (#14), 1.28 (#1), 1.09 (#18), 1.22 (#4), 1.13 (#10 | min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.08 (#15), 1.04 (#29), 258.5 ACS (#1 | China so no ratings), 1.22 (#2), 1.18 (#4)
Derke: top 10 stats for 6 tournaments if u compare only top 8 teams at LOCK//IN

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ACS is not Rating so i wouldn't count that
and Lock-In stats min 125 is crazy cause you can get top 8 without it

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ACS is usually considered a better stat to look at than rating, no?

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not at all, or at least not when talking with duelist
you can compare a initiator to a smoker with ACS
but a duelist gets too much advantage in that stat always
so comparing Derke is like putting him against Ethan in APR

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Fair enough, thanks for taking the time to explain

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Is derke your goat? Even after this year?

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cant believe people still ride derke after 2024 and 2025 😂😂😂

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Actually goated player. Crazy how people compare f0rsaken to this guy

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agree, f0rsakeN is good but in my books still needs a better consistency to be a top 5 oat
and only wins at being a better flex (in terms of playing more agents)
but Chronicle is miles away f0r

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yeah he's good. just not sure if he's dominant individually enough to be called "greatest of all time"

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the only dominant individually player ever that could deserve a "greatest of all time", was yay in 2021/2022

also we can tell Leo, as a player that was always the best without any problem

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idk chron just doesn't move me that much

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valid, that's why i say he is in the conversation

we can agree Alfajer is there, and probably will be the goat if he continues playing like this

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the thing that stands out most to me in this list is yay was top 10 rating in every international he attended, minus lockin where c9 went out after two games (had a 1.12)

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most dominant player ever
the goat if C9 didn't let him go
i hate how he is not talked for people
y0y meme got over the best prime we have ever seen

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Didn't he play raze a bit aswell in 2024 i think

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mostly at the start

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And include the fact that rating favors kills and are weighted even more in a 5vs5 scenario (so a first kills which is the duelist's job) and the assist on that kill is not weighted more for rating than any other assist(which is like out of 5 indicators the 3rd in significance towards rating)

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And that's valid but then again the rating doesn't show the real impact of a good support/flex player and ppl just look at rating and every duelist could be in the goat debate with all that being said chron's sacrificial playstyle, stat's and consistency trhu all these years at the highest lvl of gameplay on multiple agents is underrated + many players eventually fell off due to meta change coach changes etc, he didn't

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if chronicle can make KOI a top 3 team in EMEA then he is the goat, until then aspas clears

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STOP COMPARING A FLEX TO A DUELIST

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agree, i just say how they disrespect him so much with "trophies merchant"
same for aspas and the "baiter"

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goat convos aren't appropriate for an esport that only started 5 years ago

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I don’t understand why vlr user disrespect the goats man like why are we comparing and complaining they are respective goat in their role