as a apac fan of course, I would be happy if Apac team doing great lul
but real talk if this how is gonna end, western team fall into obscurity then what gonna happen to val bro????
I mean Apac team is dominated since 2021 and we finally lifting trophy in 2024
but I dont know if Americas or EU can bounces back, I scared if they suddenly start quitting and Asian gonna dominate this game like lol
like its not gonna be interesting
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Apac and china get 20 slots each and the west moves to apex legends
Make a Titanfall esport or something bro we are not going to Apex legends
Asians are late to trophies and late to bait, when will they catch up to anything?
nah bro we need another rivalry like Optic vs Loud
atm I can see new fnatic vs prx but idk if they can reach another grand finals
brother you be saying that just for EMEA to end up dominating the event. Relax
nah asians since day 1 were dominating in the form of asians grown up in the west (ex tenz, zekken, leo, fns, marved, etc).
I think americas are going to have a bounce back next year with all the new talent and we are no longer a 2 team region. idk about eu tho.
but yeah I dont want this game to be like league
"Asians grown up in the west" they're called Americans buddy 😭 atp we might as well say EU has 10 trophies because NA teams are full of "europeans grown up in america"
also leo is part Asian?
the issue is that incompetent orgs and shit coaching are blocking Americas talent from being on the best teams.
Verno and Mada were on NRG who held onto FNS despite him being washed (as soon as they dropped him they made champs and looked good)
OXY and v1c are held back by neT, Xeppaa and Immi
Cryo and eeiu are held back by Asuna and Zikz (and boostio but he got dropped)
EG are a poverty org
Zellsis is holding SEN back
tex and c0m were holding LEV back
v1nny and dgzin were holding LOUD back at the start of the year, then they decided to transition to an English speaking team for some fkn reason
the other 2 brazil orgs are poverty and Mibr got lucky that aspas joined them
Americas has the talent to compete but for every talented player there is a braindead org, immortal mechanics teammate or clueless coach to hold them back. If the region had better management and player development then they would be much better but theres a bunch of fucking dumbasses in charge when it comes to building a team
bro is just saying names for the sake of it. dgzin holding loud back? he was their best player for a while. zellsis holding sen back? their issue is not firepower, even if they got a better sentinel it would only marginally improve them. asuna is a pretty good flex, there's no tier 2 flex that's a clear upgrade over him. tex and c0m I can agree with but you expect them to be dropped after they placed 3rd in champs last year?
would a team ever win an international with 2025 dgzin? no
would a team ever win an international with 2025 Asuna? no
would a team ever win an international with 2025 tex and com? no
would a team ever win an international with 2025 Zellsis? maybe, but with SENs roster construction probably not.
my point is that teams in Americas are not building themselves to compete or win international events. Players should not be picked up for being "good" they should be picked up with the intention of being the best and the players I listed as not good enough all have clear upgrades who were available at the time or are available now
there's a limited number of players you can pick up who you know with certainty are top players
did you think gen.g was a masters winning team when they were first formed? did you think EDG could win champs? EG?
Yeah idk what happen to Americas orgs
like in EU,Apac or China. so basically top 1 - 4 is rotating themselves
so like team like at one point is on top of league at some point
but for NA to dominate the region for years is strange because others orgs just seems not win anything
is that money issue bro???? like how expensive player is so only rich orgs can building dynasty??
I think Americas is in a phase of transition, most teams are making massive changes that desperately needed to happen and are finally picking up tier 2 talent instead of recycling the same washed players over and over.
lol, its mickey mouse event
even heretics player at press conferences ddint want to count that as their winning
event doesnt matter they tried their best if you think otherwise ur stupid. Fuck ton of money was on the line
they literally not trying their best????
prx and fnatic literally tired after toronto and didnt prepare at all
sure money is good but there is no prestige on that plus single elimination group didnt help either
it literally horrible
I literally give you video that heretics player talking about it but I am the one who delusional to you
classic turkey high iq take
dumbass I already said the event doesn't matter. What matters is teams did try to win, it can be a pro city game if they all try their hardest its the same thing
I think the asian domination story is overblown
there has NEVER been an asia v asia grand finals in a VCT international event. we've always had a western team in the grand final since the inception of VCT and I think that's gonna stay for a while
I'm also really afraid than Asia start to dominate, and Val start to die in occident buuuut, I do think for the moment EMEA is pretty safe, for 2 reason, if I tank Premier Data, EU and TR are both winning player in term of percent, EU went to 24% to 24.5 while TR went from 3% to 6% wish is impressive, we also have to keep in mind that Ukraine war will end some day and a lot of RU player that are currently in APAC will play in EMEA and we will see a lot of great Russian team, we also have Africa that will deelop some day. I'm not worry for BR that got a sligt increase and LAS/LAN seems kinda okay and are stable.
I'm worry for NA, really worry for NA's future, in 2023 NA's premier team where representing 22% of the premier team, now they represent... 14%, every split, they loose 1%, and it seems they are about to stabilize at 13% for the 2025 year, this is really really not good, and thats wone of the reason why splitting AMER in 2 might kill the region, more you have T1 team to scrim against, more you improve, and the bad year result of NA could be because of BR 2025 crisis. To make things worse, NA doesnt invest into aca team, while a team like T1 litterrally get saved by an academic player
Now lets look at APAC, KR went to 8% to 12% of Premier team (They even got a peak at 22% after T1 win), India went to 4% to 5% (And even 7% in the most recent split), Oceania is in crisis because no T1 team (From 2.6% to 1.8%), Japan went from 8% to 2%, Asia where dying they went to 11% to 9% (But boom at 14% right after PRX win), so I think what is making a region strong is the density of good T1 team in this region, 6 SEA team and 6 EA team allow everyone to improve at the speed of light and start to dominate international event. As you can see they are a snowball effect, when a region win an event, more people come.
In this Asia and Pacific have to be split in 2 at some point, because they represent 40% of premier team versus 30% for EMEA and APAC, Because if the trend of winning continue it will bring even more people, by putting them into 2 place that cant scrim each other, you reduce the density of the 2 region and make both weaker, this will allow unrepresented market to finaly have a T1 team, Vietnam, Oceania, and even maybe Mongolia and MENA could finally have their T1 team (If Riot split APAC, giving Asia MENA could balance things out plus allow them to have a spot since EMEA is saturated), the only mean to make the playerbase grow is to give them outlet, and without T1 team they dont really have outlet. (They are technically also the question of Russia, and where to put them if EU and Russia have geopolitical problem, plus the problem of Russian playing in EMEA Tokyo that need to be solve at some point).
So ; tldr I'm not that afraid, EMEA have future, BR is okay, but i'm afraid for NA, they have a risk APAC continue to grow, but in that case the only solution is to split Asia (SEA+IN+MENA ?) and Pacific (KR+JP+OCE) to stop the snowball
note : all of my data are without counting China, start is 2023, and current data are 2025
Yeah, EU really step up in recent split
they now have multiple good team that is not fnatic anymore, and yes the north american orgs hmmm
idk about them, like I think because recent scandal at tier 2 NA like match fixing + miss managed (dont have pay, no tourney) really hurt NA talent development
more about Pacific region split into 2 is having 2 problem
singapore is prime location for south apac infrastructure but the cost would be massive, they can use indonesia or thailand for cheaper location
but these 2 country dont have strong enough population + economic interest
also W data
East Asia (KR,JP,OCE) dont have talent pool deep enough to warrant dedicated region for that, it would be korean dominating like pre franchise
It's less true now, currently they are representing 21% of Premier team, versus 29% for America, they dont have the talent yet, but with more year and NA downfall, "Pacific"may have a bigger playerpool than NA, and if thats not the case, you could consider give some Russian "Pacific nationality" if they are playing on Tokyo only because they are living in eastern russia (Maybe it's time for Russia to have "inner boundaries" in the Val map), with that change they would totally tie the rest of the world, in addition to give their chance to player that have harsh conditions, also giving outlet to Oceania will make the level rise.
Riot dont have infrastructure to support south apac region, but lets be honnest they have the money for it. If SEA is too expansive do it in Inida that is the future of Humanity since they are a continent on their own (more people than in both Amer)... Or maybe even in MENA (No doubt SA would be really glad to host this and may even pay Riot for it). And in the Last Resort, they could even go to LCP arena in Taiwan that they own (Even tho I beleive it would be better that TW would stop being a part of SEA for ping reason and become a "Part of JP T2" to make JP T2 a little bit better and upgrade the density of the league)
About LCP arena, keep in mind LoL have 5 region, and have an "APAC without KR", so we could exactly have 5 regions. In val it would be a really bad idea to cut KR to Japan for ping reason, and it better to give them OCE for timezone and representativity reason (We need 1 really good region, with half of slot, and smaller region sharing the other spot)
Asia with :
Pacific with :
Do make sense
PS : I've chek soloQ stats
So basically :
AMER 24%
EMEA 32%
APAC 43%
The spit is unavoidable (especially if EMEA give up some parts)
Bangkok is already functioning as PAC's second hub city.
Ironically, it was SOOP the one most hatred by vlr, that made it so.
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