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Said a few months ago in an interview that Americas is not the best region this year because they're bringing new rookies to the teams and thus lacking experience...
say that as you're getting crushed by actual talent (4 rookies in GIANTX).
America's shit not because the rookies are unexperienced, or whatever excuse you come up with, but because your region can't make new talent shine like other regions managed to do this year. Look at Pacific, look at EMEA.
Just keep witnessing how actual new talent from all the other regions are going to crush all of your hopes for this year. The only one capable of doing something is G2.

Hope for all NA/Americas fans that this is not going the same way it's gone for the CS scene

(ENVY really might just be the best NA team without even being a tier 1 team, what a sad year for this region...)

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ENVY wont even win ascension

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yeah

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Wow

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z0llsis has no x factor besides for fluke games, so this was expected

back to the wall sentinels are diff than hype sentinels

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Best NA team Envy?????????? G2 exists?

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yea i said might but i do agree that G2 looks far far far ahead of every other team in the region. ENVY not best NA team but surely top 3 (while being in tier 2 lol)

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Grubi not a rookie. But ara flickless and westside are so youre poiint still stands.

Emea has 20 rookies every year. NA plays the same players for years

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Facts:

sen: 0 rookies
c9 : 1 rookie in vic(say hello to mitch again gor the 9th tike)
100t: kess but that was late
eg: i know all these players pre and post franchising

Only NRG has done some considerable chance

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even in pacific, most rookies there looked really really strong. Just a few in Americas looked promising, the rest was sad to watch...

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GX crushed the entire region last stage
why are we pretending like SEN lost to a T2 team level 4th seed
its legit 2nd seed vs 3rd seed LOL

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GX definitely looked amazing in Stage 2. Ara and Flickless have really looked amazing. People underestimate GX most likely because TH and FNC, whilst 4th and 3rd seed respectively, are pretty well-experienced teams. TL is the best team coming out of EMEA and they honestly look like a Top 3 contender with how nats leads them. GX went through a fairly rocky season. Started off the year with tomaszy, runneR and purp0. Then they brought in flickless and ara. Tried to make it work with either purp0 or runneR on smokes, but they settled on a dedicated smokes player in grubinho. Even then, it still felt like BBL could have gotten to champs, but GX persevered against all odds.

People who don't watch EMEA haven't noticed GX's rise. They could be a true dark horse team.

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Well NRG beat them too and they are 3 rookies so that logic was extremely flawed
Envy are not even remotely close to the best team in Americas, the moment the other team starts shooting they crumble.

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The moment a single team realizes how to manage talent half way into the season, instead of making a 40 years old guy paycheck steal, you can see the immediate improvement. Just saying.
NRG is not "the exception" to my statement, but the proof of what decisions you HAVE to make to succeed in an always evolving scene.

Mooda, skuba, brawk (not exactly a rookie but quite). If you know how to bring actual talent and make all the pieces fit, you will always have a bigger chance of succeeding.

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im crying bro said mooda

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MY BAD LMAOOOO HAHAHA

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saying mooda (please save yourself and tell me you meant mada) is dumb asf but otherwise its fine

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you can clearly see by the context that i meant mada. Not editing it tho, its funny

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Sato is a exception but couldn’t qualify

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I TOTALLY agree. The mechanics, the mentality... hope they managed to make this kid shine in the future.
I don't even think it's the rookies fault, but how this new talent has been managed in the region. Really embarrassing.

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The rookie claim is outrageous. Every region is taking in rookies. SEN is not even comprised of rookies. I will say that some of Americas' new talent have been individually shining: Mada, Luk_xo, v1c, cortezia, sato.

In my opinion, what holds Americas back is that a lot of their comps are uninventive and they recycle through what has previously worked. They play it safe in a lot of their cases. A lot of teams are levelling up in their creativity and it's paying off hugely.

I do feel that GX definitely rose to the occasion today. SEN could bounce back, but it would require a lot of mental fortitude.

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All of this stuff might be happening due to work ethic in the region, mentality of players in the region, or who knows what...
There's is a clear issue tho, and that is that something's wrong with developing new talent.
I don't believe that Americas have bad new talent, and there surely is something wrong on how it's being managed.

Look at NRG earlier in the year. Must have been really sad being verno and mada... Halfway into the year the team realizes that its a fucking FPS game and not chess, thus finally dropping a 40 years old with silver level mechanics to bring an actual 5th player. Compared to everyone else in the region (except G2) they started fitting some pieces together and qualified for champs.

Imagine being a promising player in lower tiers and having to watch all these idiots in Americas ruining what could be a future career in the game.

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tbf to the org, there was precendent with boaster but NRG's players are not the same demons as FNC's and boaster is a better igl

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I wanted to mention boaster too.
I think he's done a great job over the years to also teach the igl role. This time just bring a consistent shooter, make the others take on your role and make the team shine again instead of always letting them down in the crucial scenarios. When you have people like Alfa, chron and kaajak that keep owning lobbies you can't have falling pieces in the team's structure such as boaster dropping -30 KD, especially if its a grand finals.
A team can function without a guy that is staring at the minimap 24/7, and most of the teams that succeeded never had one.
It is always about balance. It's an FPS not chess.

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boaster situation is weird because pre-grand finals he was playing alright not amazing but it was servicable but then in grands he just disappeared. Idk what to think though because FNC apparently won a scrim even though boaster went 1-19, it's definitely hurts them but I think IGLing is that impactful it makes up for it. At the very least if he can do the bare minimum trade out his teammates then it should be fine.

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That is also true. At the end if they still make grands or keep winning, there is nothing much to change. I've seen good shots from boasters side too.
Idk there surely is some inconsistency that i don't really know if its worth having or not. Hope for them to bounce back.

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Boaster is really not as bad as people make him seem. He can still hit some good shots and frankly he has the team to play his particular play style. We can't say it's not successful cause he has made grandfinals at internationals and won regionals. Yes they do have a problem with finishing out but you have to remember they had a long run in toronto, a lack of prep time due to being from memea and they had a terrible map pool. All things that they can work on. Honestly I think FNC has an interesting team because they have some of the best players in each of the roles. I don't think their problems will be solved by getting a different igl. Unless it's nats or something.

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how do u produce good talents when ur entire tier 2 scene is big on making quick cash by fixing games than actually competing and growing as players hahaha
NA is trash as a region they should move the brazilian teams back and focus on LATAM separately

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this aged well..

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I praised NRG as being the only good NA team and i was right.

Quote (in this exact thread):
"The moment a single team realizes how to manage talent half way into the season, instead of making a 40 years old guy paycheck steal, you can see the immediate improvement. Just saying.
NRG is not "the exception" to my statement, but the proof of what decisions you HAVE to make to succeed in an always evolving scene.
Mooda, skuba, brawk (not exactly a rookie but quite). If you know how to bring actual talent and make all the pieces fit, you will always have a bigger chance of succeeding.

Opened this website just now thus noticing the reply 5 days later.

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i was looking for a different reply but was this a horrid take

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AHAHAHAAHAAHAH

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Surpy

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you can check my reply to the other guy. You guys scroll that much time on tiktok that don't even have enough attention span to read everything that's stated. Not even in a fucking thread about valorant. You just need to move your eyes and keep reading... its not that hard boys

I was and always been right with the NRG situation.

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"say that as you're getting crushed by actual talent (4 rookies in GIANTX)"
oh btw how did giantx's rookies do against nrg's rookies?

"but because your region can't make new talent shine like other regions managed to do this year."
oh yea and which region won with 3 rookies?
which player in the final won the mvp?
oh btw how did heretics do against mibr (predicted worst team in the tournament) with a tier 2 rookie igl?

oh btw where is emea's trophy in the last 2 years?

yea bro sounds like you were really correct about nrg!

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

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Why don't you just admit that you're wrong instead of spouting nonsense? You have the text comprehension of an 8 years old.
I talked about the region as a whole but you're still focusing my entire argument to a single team which i praised as the only exception before they even got to champs playoffs.
You don't have the mental capacity to even grasp the context of an argument, let alone arguing about it. You're such a waste of time...

That mibr take of yours is actually against your favour too considering that these rookies you think were excellent or whatever couldn't do anything with aspas going +30 in every map. I don't believe you understand what you're saying at all, let alone having enough reading comprehension to argue with somebody else.
hahahaha, mibr you said hahaha. A team that completely failed on making new talent shine. A team that relied on aspas (a veteran) to go +30 and still failing to get even 3rd in champs. And this is your counter argument on my take about new talent being mismanaged in Americas? A team that COMPLETELY failed this, so called, new TALENT? HAHA i cant.
They won against heretics, a team that is so fucking dogshit we don't even know how they got to face mibr in the first place. And your argument is that they managed the rookies well enough because they beat heretics? What are you saying? HAHA

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My entire reply revolves around your take that americas cant make new talent shine. If you fail to understand this from my reply then Im sorry for you and everyone that has to deal with underdeveloped brains like yours because its pretty obvious from my reply. Yes, I understand that you meant a region as a whole, which is why I included not just 1 team but 2 teams (the other team you brought up at the second paragraph yet you somehow fail to comprehend that I also am talking about the region as a whole). So no, I am not focusing on a single team as you have failed to critique. Americas as a region also is a region that has a good track record for winning events with rookie talent. For example EG 2023 and now NRG 2025. Can you remind me when emea won anything with rookie talent? China and Pacific can claim this prestige yet it seems emea is the only region that fails at this. Is it perhaps because everything you said about americas is the exact thing thats been happening in emea for the past 2 years?

Regarding mibr, notice how I only mentioned the igl? Yea I know its hard for you specifically to understand since there isnt much going on in your brain but I'll help you out. I specifically mentioned mibr's IGL Verno because Aspas and Verno were the only performing members of the team and Verno is a rookie. I never said anywhere that the other rookies were good at all. So yes, bringing up mibr actually does help my argument on new talent shining since Verno was doing great and no, it is not against my favour.

You also downplay mibr's win against heretics saying they are so fucking dogshit. Brother, they were considered to be one of the best teams in playoffs and everyone was overrating them saying they have a free upper finals. Dont forget this team was the team to win emea's only trophy in the past 2 years. This make them the best performing emea team in the last 2 years. But nice try on downplaying mibr's win.

I hope this can help you understand what I was trying to say. If you still somehow fail to understand these simple things then I can dumb it down for you since you prob need it.

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z0llsis when he isnt facing mibr or the map isnt icebox💀💀

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Might be one of the 10 worse takes on VLR of all time

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bro really dropped the worst takes in history in one thread and hit post

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As NRG proceeded to win champs with 3 rookies