Valyn is a better IGL than nAts

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Before you downfrag me, take off the rose tinted glasses and properly hear me out.

YES nAts did invent lurking right before the battle of Hastings took place in 1066, YES nAts won a trophy when Hiko was still a salaried player, and that did make him one of the best players ITW during the Mesozoic era.

But since then valyn has been considerably better, nAts cannot make it anywhere near international playoffs despite having superstar players like keiko trexx and patitek, meanwhile valyn has made an international GRAND FINAL, despite the fact that he has to play with jonahP.

People seriously overrate nAts, and underrate valyn, soon people will realise this is a fact, and it will become a widespread opinion, just like how nobody thought chronicle was the goat until like 3 months ago, unfortunately I will be clowned for this as I am the first messenger, but I am willing to take the fall in order to get the ball rolling.

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meech

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i mean yeah considering valyn has been igling for way longer than nAts lol

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agreed this is an irrelevant comparison. either way g2 and liquid are rly nice val teams in their respective regions

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shlak123

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nats better bc panda

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catNmouse

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name checks out

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Shadrach

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Nats just become dedicated igl this year and you compare it to the one whos iglijg in his whole life?

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People keep sneaking nAts into top 3 IGL’s oat

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meech

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i mean i agree it's a bit of an overestimate since tl hasn't made it out of groups internationally, but the work he has been able to do since the start of the year (alongside the coaching staff) is remarkable. he was given a roster with KAMO who played for fucking KOI previously, kamyk, and keiko who was decent last year but not spectacular. literally no one saw the 2025 tl roster as the top team they are rn

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dimmed

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who???????? even me NAts #1 glazer won't say he's top 3 IGL oat until after he dominates champs flawlessly

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catNmouse

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??? you must be fighting ghosts

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People keep sneaking nAts into top 3 IGL’s oat

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wagonVAL

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He was igling last year too bro

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i mean yeah, valyn has had better average placements this year

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also valyn is hotter

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foythvlr

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4 downfrags in less than a minute damn

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shrike-

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i mean have you seen nats

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foythvlr

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hes cute but no valyn

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ergonomiccs

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Nats face card slander not tolerated here

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😹

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agreed, although i do think nats much higher all time

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Laundry

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Would you say kinggg is best oat tho? :D

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dimmed

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yep because its NAts fault, canada decided to ruin his legacy YEPP

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wagonVAL

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water is wet take. Yet somehow people still put Nats top 5 on their all time lists 😂😂

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all pros or general audience put him top 10 and even sometimes top 5 because he is the goat and they know that

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I think putting him top 5 is diabolical but I could see bottom of top 10

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Zaba

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oh not again

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Gutssz

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nAts deserve respect, bro started igling this year with one KOI player one rookie one troll guy and t2 players

he is the smartest player itw and his igling reaching the highest level step by step and also coaching staff are goated

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Detiel

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nAts cannot make it anywhere near international playoffs despite having superstar players like keiko trexx and patitek

This is ragebait right? Patitek is a fantastic support player, but he is in no way a "Superstar" and Trexx wasn't even on the roster for any of their internationals this year.

despite the fact that he has to play with jonahP

okay its deff ragebait

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YES nAts did invent lurking right before the battle of Hastings took place in 1066, YES nAts won a trophy when Hiko was still a salaried player, and that did make him one of the best players ITW during the Mesozoic era.

lmao

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I thinkk we also be overheating jonahp he's nooot that bad