goat conversation is so weird

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Ibbi807

Chronicle has never been the best player on his team
Alfajer is kind of new
Boaster is the best IGL but gets carried
Aspas mid teammates and can't win

Is it Derke? Alfa? Tenz? Sacy? Who knows

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boaster just made a grand final without a superteam from an entire lower bracket run

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Alfajer? He’s about to win 3 trophies and mvp 2
We’ve never ever had a guy mvp 2 tourneys

Also respectfully sacy and tenz are no where near goat of the game

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nowhere near is crazy

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Uncleben

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Tenz was a top 3 player in 2021 and maybe a top 10 player in 2024. That’s it, and 2021 performances are less and less valuable. Sacy was a top 10 if not top 5 player in 2022. And that’s it, he’s never been top 10 other than that. Not even close to being a goat individually.

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How do you think Sacy & Tenz are anywhere near being goat worthy?

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Tenz 2 year banter era

Sacy just mid

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catNmouse

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mid is when you win champions as the best player on your team in the finals and winning a masters trophy in a foreign team

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Uncleben

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But individually, he wasn’t a top player in 21/23/24. He was sens worst player the entire year, which isn’t his fault due to how they utilized him, but we aren’t about to revise history.

His util on sen and his clutches were great, but man he’d have so many questionable deaths on initiator

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TenZ obviously

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Alfa has been underrated for years now, but now that's he's had another performance as the best player in his team I can now say without getting attacked that he's the closest thing to the GOAT rn.

The fact people didn't have him on the top 10 list before this is absolutely crazy cough cough FNS cough cough

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No? Alfajer has mediocre 2024 except a few dominating performances and people sang his praises. Also Kaajak was the best from EMEA coming to this tournament, i think he is slightly underrated rn but thats about it

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no need to have a goat 5 years into the game

greatest of ALL time should have insane longevity combined with strong individual performances, which is a very high bar, but that's the point of a goat, it's not supposed to be met in 5 years

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Chron meets allat already

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AltonBu02

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Chron has not been a top 5 player itw since 2021. He's been crazy good, but imo not good enough to be considered goat status.

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shesh_

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i mean personally i think he's the closest right now, but i feel like you also have to take into account that there's never been a point where he's been the undisputed best, which is a quintessential characteristic of a goat imo

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Tenz is goat

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When're we going to stop trying to sneak TenZ into the GOAT conversation?

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Chronicle
Leo/Alfajer if FNC win tomorrow
Leo/Aspas

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AltonBu02

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Idk about Leo. Longevity is such a crucial argument and even though it's not Leo's fault we need more out of him before we can consider him top 3.

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Uncleben

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The thing is he was the best player itw in 2023 and a top 5 player individually in 2024. How many players other than Aspas (who has arguably never been the best player in a year) has that claim?

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AltonBu02

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He wasn't even close to playing a full year in 2024. It doesn't matter how great he was in that time period, he just didn't have enough time in the spotlight.

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Uncleben

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Longevity matters but Leo has the best stats of any franchised player ever individually. That has to count for something. He had one year where he was the best player, ~6 months where peeking him was like peaking an op, and was fantastic in 2022 individually too. A lot of players are inconsistent individually regardless of how many trophies they win.

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It does count for something, I have him number 5 of all time, I just think the people above him having more longevity makes them above him on the all time list. I do agree that he was hella consistent though and I was there when Leo reached god status, and I wished he didn't retire at his peak. It is what it is though.

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leo is a top 5 rated player in every year in valorant history

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TheOnion

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Get aspas out bruh 💔

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chronicle has an mvp tho

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AltonBu02

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never been the best in a tournament win (nats had better stats than him in 2021 and literally revolutionized lurking, he was the best player in that tournament)

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kfan4238173

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he was the best in berlin

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AltonBu02

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no he wasn't, their rating was the same, but nats had better stats outside of that

not only that, but nats revolutionized lurking and took up so much space by himself that he was essentially winning games by himself

I genuinely think nats tournament performance in Berlin is top 3 oat

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kfan4238173

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chronicle was best and he was mvp

also was flexing on top of that

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AltonBu02

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brother is not reading + that was only finals mvp 😭

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I’d argue nats was slightly better over the course of the whole tournament. Chron was the finals mvp but if I had to give a most impactful player across the tourney award I’d give it to nats

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fns