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Canezerra hype thread

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#1
jsoef

Bro is averaging 290-300 ACS atm (prime 2021 Reykjavik Tenz numbers), casually going +10 every single map

He turns 18 in june 2026, where do you guys think he is getting picked up ?

Do you think he sticks with the ENVY core (ion2x and POPPIN), and waits for ion to turn 18 too before joining a team ? (ion turns 18 january 2027)

He has the most cursed agent pool (legit just iso jett), but he is fragging so heavy that its worth it for any struggling team to pick him up I think.

#2
chinesesalesmen
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hes getting picked up by whoever offers him the most money

#3
jsoef
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Yeah but who would that be ?

I dont think its G2 or SEN because I dont think he would do well in their systems, I feel like he kind of needs a system built around him like Demon1.

Is it just gonna be NRG and we hope its not 2024 NRG again ?

#5
be699
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EG for sure, richest org + can create a system for him

#6
iTzJ4son
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goated 2027 roster:

skuba
canezerra
ion2x
poppin
mada (switch back to flex)

#7
Uncleben
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Getting rid of som for ion2x and Ethan for fucking poppin is pretty dumb Ngl

#9
jsoef
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Maybe im just biased because I like ENVY, but I feel like that wouldnt be as dumb as it sounds. I would def keep ethan as flex and get rid of mada tho

#35
bobwoblob
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Mada put up Cane stats against better competition in T2 while having a bum on his team. Dropping him would make no sense lol.

#41
jsoef
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Thats straight up false XD

I just checked all of the stats of Challengers 2024, mada was not even close to the stats that canezerra is putting up.

#47
angel98
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They just be saying random stuff

#48
bobwoblob
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Are you dumb? Literally check the stats lol. 1.29 vs 1.33. How is that "not even close".

#39
iTzJ4son
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ii only said get rid of ethan because he wont be playing in 2027 mada is more likely to play

#38
iTzJ4son
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bro this is 2027 they wont be playing r u good

#46
wuk1nGg
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p0ppin is not making it to tier 1 dawg

#4
Uncleben
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It should be worth noting that we haven’t seen him play raze neon or yoru recently
Overall, iso is his strongest duelist. Being forced off his comfort agent when he plays duelist in tier 1 will lead to a drop off in performance. Not to mention aggressive player tend to struggle more against higher level competition.

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jsoef
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I dont think he can play them tbh. I wonder if its not better to just stick him on iso / clove and let him frag out

#11
AltonBu02
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he can play them, he just plays the agents he's most comfortable with/wants to because envy doesn't need to actually use meta comps to win games

#12
Uncleben
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Looking at ranked and his previous match history in t2/t3, he’s not good at them either comparatively, even in tier2
He has however improved a lot recently so maybe he’s gotten better at those agents as well

#13
AltonBu02
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I mean his all-time rating with these agents hovers around 1.2 for the most part and that's not even factoring in how much better he's got

#15
Uncleben
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It’s 1.09 for raze and 1.13 Jett, 1.12 neon and 1.04 yoru. And there’s a pretty massive gap between tier1 and tier2, you gotta be averaging 1.2+rating to be an above avg t1 duelist (using mada as an example)

But I’d agree for sure that he’s gotten way better

#17
AltonBu02
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i was looking at kd my bad, but yeah he's gotten a lot better. Even if you compare his all time jett rating (1.13) to what it's been in the last 60 days (1.47 - only played 5 games on jett though but still impressive), it's a massive difference.

#23
jsoef
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wtf we are using all time stats ????

respectfully but canezerra is 16, using all time stats is as relevant as using stats from when he was in diamond

IMO, for young players like this, using stats from the last 60 or last 90 days is the only relevant thing

#24
Uncleben
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Stats from recent games could also be inflated due to 2 things;
He could have a hot streak of games where he performs well (doesn’t show consistency over time)
And 2; envy are way better than other tier 2 teams. They can setup cane better than other teams, make the round winning call or put him in better positions than other teams, win rounds boosting economy and always allowing cane to have a rifle/op money. This is why a player like avova had great stats on apeks when they were on a streak in tier2 but struggled in tier1 when everything is more competitive.

#18
jsoef
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where are you getting your numbers from ?

he has a 1.47 rating on jett in the last 60 days, and 1.28 in the last 90 days

#21
AltonBu02
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he's looking at all time

#22
Uncleben
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Looking at all time rating. Don’t want to look at very recent rating since it’s a small sample size and envy is clearly better than other t2 teams (which his future t1 team won’t be)

However, all time stats don’t account for the fact that he has improved recently clearly

#25
jsoef
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Oh yeah I see. I heavily disagree with the use of these stats, because even though ENVY is clearly the best team in T2 NA at the moment, this kind of mechanical dominance has never been seen before in challengers ?

he is averaging 306.7 acs in stage 2 right now, and you cant tell me that more than 50% of that is due to ENVY being the best team in challengers.

By comparison, lets take kaajak (who was the most mechanically dominant player in T2 last year).
He was only averaging 290 acs in ascension, which was his best tournament all year (excluding the grand final because he had a big underperformance)

Canezerra is still very much above those numbers

#28
Uncleben
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I actually believe that individually sato will be slightly better than canezerra when they both transition to tier 1 but can’t prove that hypothesis until it happens
Just a few things I see from their agent pool and gameplay

#30
jsoef
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Oh wow thats a crazy hot take

I get that canezerra's agent pool is pretty concerning, but I just dont think sato is fragging heavy enough to make as much as an impact as canezerra.

One thing I will give sato is that he looks like a pretty good yoru, but I have more faith in canezerra picking up yoru and learning how to play it (especially after having played with eggster so much), than sato ever fragging as heavy as canezerra

#33
goat1594
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He's been dominating on Iso and Jett why would they try and put him on other roles? There's zero reason for him to be on Yoru as well.

#42
Germy
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hes got a year+ til he is even allowed in tier 1, i think if it looks like he will play in tier 1 he will grind a bunch of neon, raze, yoru or other roles

#10
xLeo
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🥶

#14
cameran
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c9 w/ oxy could be sick tbh. maybe sentinels as well if zekken doesnt stay in SEN.
next era of franchising would be really sick to see these new t2 players come in

#16
Uncleben
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With all due respect OXY is worse than Zekken in every way
There both inconsistent with high peaks but Zekken has higher peaks and is more consistent, not to mention mor versatile as well
Not sure why Zekken would leave sen and why he’d be dropped

#19
SENfns
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just spoke to kaplan he said zekken is getting dropped because we want zellsis on duelist unfortunately

#20
jsoef
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Zekken has mentioned several times wanting to go back to school and complete his studies, as (I think) he doesnt see being a professional valorant player as a viable long term career.

Btw, I agree that OXY is a lot less consistent, and less versatile than zekken, but imo he has higher peaks mechanically (I still think that zekken is way smarter in the way he plays, and has more consistent mechanics, I just think that OXY has the most ridiculous rounds from time to time)

#29
cameran
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only re-signed SEN for 1 year means something 😔

#26
Amexdxyz
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he's handsome too

#27
Waking_W
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Eg canzera instead of icy and we have a duelist for yay to bait and get second entry from ( like victor and yay in optic)

#31
jsoef
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I actually dont think that canezerra would do well in that scenario ?

I think it will give more value to setup canezerra than to setup yay.

(In case you havent guessed, I think yay is kind of washed :/ )

#43
Germy
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yay is objectively not washed, he just doesnt have quite the same system around him as on Envy/optic days. not to mention meta is drastically different and hes a lurker/awper not a hard entry player

#36
lolapola
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canezerra wont join to be dog food for yay in 2025

#32
UBClears
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yall are overrating Canezerra just like Nightz.

They are better on the Rankers/NV team then they'd be on any other team. Canezerra would struggle being the solo duelist playing as recklessly as he does. He gets a lot of freedom because of Eggsterr playing second duelist.

#34
jsoef
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Tbh I should watch some more vods of ENVY and look at how much freedom the yoru does give to canezerra.

But even still, his numbers are fucking crazy, if i was a coach I would pick him up and just play double duelist every map if he goes +10 every single time

#40
lolapola
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would be maybe viable before like when prx added something, tier 2 and ranked demon just like cane, also smth >> cane

#37
lolapola
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he doesnt even have as much pressure he just plays maybe things will be different for him when he plays with a name and for that name solo duelist entrying for his team

#44
destroylonely
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yes 300acs average is “overrated” LMFAO

#45
Agx192
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How is yamal allowed to play fucking pro level football with grown ass men since he was 16 and canezera can't play in vct in a fucking video game bruh rito please fix this shit

#49
themaniel
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Farmers league

#50
Siigma777
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agent pool isn't as cursed as Eggsters lol

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