G2 wins Stage 1 = 9 points
LEV wins Masters London = 8 points
let that sink in
G2 vs LEV reminder
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The point is: this system gives you more points for winning a regional than winning an international, its a flawed system, its basically VCT Americas > Masters
A team that wins a whole Masters, especially Masters 2 should not even be close to not make it to Champs, but here we are
agora mn vou ser sincero que isso é um take horroroso e ia deixar a LEV fazer a merda que fez só que sem ser punida, o que seria injusto com os torcedores e com os times que querem jogar e ganhar
Um time que ganha o Masters deveria ganhar muito mais pontos pra ir pro Champions
a LOUD passou o VCT inteiro dormindo, primeira vez que ganham 3 séries seguidas na temporada inteira e vão pro Champions. Leviatán ganhou o Masters contra a PRX e vão assistir o Champions de casa porque a G2 farmou o regional
Não acho justo. A LOUD merece sim ir pro Champions. Mas esse sistema de pontuação não faz sentido a partir do momento que premiam mais vencer um VCT Americas do que vencer o Masters
Não é por que a G2 farmou o regional que a LEV vai assistir o Champions de casa
A LEV vai assistir o Champions de casa por ser um time que, antes de ser classificado, dependendo de outros resultados caso perdesse, foi um time que TROLLOU, os vetos dos jogos, TROLLOU as composições, MUDOU composições do NADA pra jogar contra o time da mira xenofóbica e contra o time da G2 que AMA ganhar regionalmente
O que aconteceu com a LEV foi a coisa mais MERECIDA da HISTÓRIA desse jogo, não foi o caso da Paper Rex que estava classificada ANTES mesmo de começar o Stage 2 se não me engano, foi um time que começou o ano de forma medíocre, perdeu ao longo da fase regular 3 PARTIDAS de fase de grupos que caso vencidas, teriam classificado o time pro Champions (Contra a inconsistente MIBR, a LOUD com o Bati e aquele jogo ENTREGADO contra a NRG nesse Stage)
Além disso, a LEV recebeu apenas DOIS pontos a menos que a G2 no Stage 1 e 1 ponto a menos que a vitória no Masters, em um sistema de pontos que dava essa MESMA pontuação para os times desde as franquias e teria resultado na MESMA coisa acontecendo
Coisas que fariam a LEV ter ido para o Champions
- Ganhar contra a MIBR, NRG e LOUD (Bati) em jogos onde a LEV apresentou um mental FRACO e tomou virada em TODOS os jogos
- Ganhar contra a G2 aquele dia, que era um time extremamente FRACO, com jogadores inconsistentes, mas a LEV trollou
- Ganhar contra a G2 na final do Stage 1 que novamente eles eram o time MELHOR, estavam na VANTAGEM e perderam o jogo
- Não agir como time classificado antes de classificar
De certa forma isso é clubismo então nem tem muito o que fazer
Mas é isso, o time que quer se classificar e quer ser campeão joga como quem quer ganhar e como quem quer ser campeão
Ano que vem eles aprendem isso
Tudo bem defender que era pra ganhar mais pontos, mas a LEV teve o destino mais merecido e seria injusto com quem foi ver esse time jogar e fazer aquelas merdas que eles passassem por cima de um time que foi lutador até o fim
??? Não foi escolha deles depender de resultados, eles claramente estavam com medo de anti-strat já que eles foram o time mais estudado do mundo
A questão é bem simples, o formato atual te dá mais pontos por ganhar um regional do que ganhar um internacional. A LEV não se classificou por MUITO pouco. Se o sistema fosse um pouco mais justo com os times que levantaram um troféu INTERNACIONAL, esse drama todo de pontuação nem existiria, e não tem por quê existir
Champions deveria ser o campeonato com os melhores times do ano. A Leviatán ganhou o Masters e ditou todo um meta de double duelista que diversas equipes ainda tentam copiar até hoje.
Sim, eles trolaram no Stage 2, mas eles perderem a qualificação por causa de um Top 5/6 no Stage 2 tendo GANHADO um MASTERS não deveria ser possível
Leviatán foi mais consistente que a LOUD o ano inteiro e não vai pro Champions
Leviatán teve um auge MUITO maior que a LOUD o ano inteiro e não vai pro Champions
Mas a LOUD vai pro Champions porque ganhou 3 partidas seguidas pela primeira vez na temporada inteira.
É um sistema que tenta premiar consistência e picos de performance mas considera regionais mais valiosos que um Masters. G2 ganhou mais pontos por ganhar o VCT Americas, LOUD se qualificou porque teve 1 Playoff regional bom o ano inteiro
LEV would just do the shit they did without any punishment
They legit trolled Veto's while being likely to qualify just to test new things MID PLAYOFFS
Masters winners auto qualifying would pretty much result in that happening ALL the time, ALL the time, teams would just stop playing properly after winning the second Masters and there would be no "magic" in watching the best team in the world play because they don't need to anymore
But if you please would explain your "auto qual" method more clearly i would thank i am not close minded i would appreciate to understand your point
Then teams will just stop playing and experimenting every match. It would be boring asf. But Masters should def fetch more points than regionals.
The only flawed thing is how lev almost got as many circuit points from 1 tournament cycle as g2 did for an entire year of being a consistent top Americas team
exactly, It is like playing good for 1-2 months is better than being consistent for the entire year. This format is good. People just hate G2, where just beat lev easily last week.
I think the idea is that a masters is also connected to a said regional split.
So LEV earned more points in THAT split taking into account both regionals and masters as well
it literally doesn’t though? winning stage 1 gives you 6 points, but you also earn points from group stage play, which is where the other 3 points comes from. you have to do well in your region first to make it to a masters and we all know g2 are regional merchants so
In order to make it to Playoffs, you need to win Group Stage games
You need at least 2-3 points to make it to playoffs. Group Stage wins = points
at the very least you would get 8 points which is equal to winning Masters 2. Those 9 points are all part of winning Americas
almost as if riot wants teams to have a good year overall and to not kill egos just because they won a masters
then why is LOUD going to Champions if they didnt have a good year overall?
LOUD is being rewarded for peaking at the right time regardless of being shit before
LEV had a higher peak of winning a Masters but they are not rewarded for it
Because they locked the fuck in? LEV has TWO games where they could’ve won and qualified and TROLLED BOTH OF THEM. Would you rather every shit team have nothing to play for?
Yes, they locked in. After being shit all year
The system still doesnt make sense
They want to reward high peaks (the "locked the fuck in" you're talking about)? LEV had the highest peak among all Americas teams
They want to reward consistency? Then why is LOUD going to Champs?
I think LOUD deserves to go to Champs, but its unfair that LEV isnt
Then what do you want? Qualify everyone like Lock In ? This is how competitive tournaments are, if one makes it, one doesnt make it.
If you are talking about unfair, Then why not give free trophy for TH or FNC for going into many finals, where they lost to teams which peaked at perfect time.
It is unfair for G2 to be super good and get defeated in close match vs T1 who peaked at perfect moment then fell of. This is how things work.
they locked in unlike lev
oh sorry so NS should also have a free spot in champions? no bc ur just biased
if youre gonna sit on the sofa and rely on points bc your ego is shit then maybe they should be out, even the coach said lev players didnt seem happy during the 100T match and seemed low energy lol
also youre twisting everything, champions has 2 routes, be good all year and keep consistency or be amazing on stage 2, leviatan decided to rely on being good all year and got trashed
also lev the only team in last 4 years to win a masters and fluke out of the champions, keep coping abt the format
im NOT a LEV fan, i dont care about them
but LEV was more consistent than LOUD in 2026
LEV had a way higher peak than LOUD in 2026
You sound hurt about Leviatán, i dont know what they did to you
uhh... read my comment again? either you lock in stage 2 or you play a good game consistently, lev didnt do either, also emphasising the last phrase in my comment
i aint hurt by lev, im hurt by brainless yap
tbf g2 only got 6 points from winning americas. the other 3 points were from the group stage. i do think lev should’ve prob gotten more for winning a masters tho
i also think it’s super weird nongshim only got 6 for winning santiago (not that they rlly needed the points in the end) but lev got 8 for winning london
Later in the year = more deserving of points in the head of the VCT guys I guess
8 points for winning masters is more than enough, remember, to qual to a masters in stage 1 you have to win games. lets take NRG for example, they barely made it, having just enough wins in the group stage (3) and won through lowers to make santiago, they earned 3 points for their grop stage performance, and another 3 for their placement at 3rd. 6 points, that's just about the minimum to make the second international. 6 is not a lot, not to mention the fact that should you do poorly like NRG at london, you get no points. 6 points is all they get for going all the way to an international.
G2 got 9 points for making an international, they didn't do well in playoffs and got nothing for it. Lev on the other hand got 7 points at stage 1, and an additional 8 points for winning,
to show how insane that is, LEV were number 1 in the standings after London with 15 points with only the stage 1 and masters points, while G2 and NRG who both made top 4 finishes at santiago were now behind them, G2 and NRG had both only won a measly 5 points from kickoff and masters 1.
to further drill why your point is stupid, guess how many points nongshim got for a flawless kickoff and master 1 performance got? 10... just 10 vs LEV's 15 points for stage 1 and masters 2, where they also lost games in the group stage, had kickoff had the same win equity as stage1/masters2, Nongshim could have gotten 19 points, but because they dominated at the wrong point in the year they only got 10.
I got a little lost in the sauce, but my original point I wanted to make was that OP seemed to have forgotten to show LEV's 7 points for second place at Stage1, which is very disingenuous.
8 points is enough for masters, if your team can't make champs with such an advantage, they may not deserve to be there.
bro i was trying to give OP some grace with their format frustration and here comes the coke rant essay ok
I didn't even realize I was replying to you and not Op, until I posted it.
I was just fed up with all of the points talk lol.
lol all good, sorry if i sounded aggressive i just didn’t understand the direction of the reply
LOUD versing the teams LEV did when they had to actually try but against LOUD they could chill
Let that sink in
ok? Lets say G2 didnt suck ass at Masters and made it to 2nd place, they would get 6 points
G2 = 9 (regional) + 6 = 15
LEV = 7 + 8(Masters) = 15
They would end up with the SAME amount of points, but the system doesnt consider that LEV's 1st place is an INTERNATIONAL EVENT
This system is wrong
ok, consider this.
imagine instead of lev barely not making it, they were completely shit in stage 2, and got 0 points.
now, imagine how everyone would feel if they got, like, 12 points for winning the masters and still ended up qualifying after being shit regionally.
everyone would be rightly mad as shit, right?
it's definitely a flawed system for sure, but don't act like there is no thinking behind it.
I understand the idea of rewarding consistency, but the peaks of winning a Masters should be more important
And we're not talking about team that went dead last in Stage 2. A team that wins Masters is very unlikely to go winless for the rest of the season, i understand your hypothetical situation of a team that peaked the highest but became shit for the rest of the year
but LEV was not even bad in Stage 2, a Top 5-6 should be enough to qualify to Champs if you won the latest event, but it wasnt
LOUD right now is just peaking at the right time and they are going to Champs. We are ignoring the fact that they were NOT a consistent team (this is the first time they got 3 wins in a row)
points are for consistency, if they were all just given to the winner of the event, we might as well just have them auto qualify and tell the other teams in the region they can suck it and have 1 less spot to play for, is that exciting? was it fun to watch PRX have zero stakes for 2 months? do you think champs should have the best teams or the ones with names you remember?
in loud's case, it is a bit more justified as they are a good team at this moment. lev was just not as good as loud at this moment in time, which is why they are going.
i do get what you are trying to say, but the points system tries to account for all scenarios (which is bad, and very hard to do), so in this case, it was not favourable to the one who won.
it sucks, i get it, but at the end of the day, g2 did win.
lev got 7 for 2nd in americas and 8 for winning masters
3 of g2s points came from winning group stage games
W cope
LEV didnt deserve 7 points too, hella inflated for a regional. worst case scenario just bring back 3 champ points ONLY for a stage winner, which in this case would've been g2. LEV still wouldnt had made it off champ points.
winning americas did not give g2 9 points on its own. they got 6 points from 1st place + 3 points from group stage, just like lev got 4 points for 2nd and 3 points from group stage
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2026/Americas_League/Stage_1
no clue why people are only complaining about the format now lol
people forgot in 2024, 100t got NINE points for stage 1, while a masters win only gave a team THREE points. if it was back then, id understand the complaints. but only because someones fanboying a team now they care?? hell nah lmaooo
If you go to Playoffs its because you won group stage games, group stage wins = more points
its all part of winning americas
then genuinely what is the problem bc you’re upset about them…rewarding giving points for regional performance? lev had every opportunity to win the stage 1 finals as well to get the extra 2 points over g2, but they didn’t. just like they didn’t win in playoffs stage 2 when it mattered. them not qualifying is their own fault
If you think that winning VCT Americas should give you the same or more points than winning Masters then there is no point to discuss
The system is perfect for you, VCT Americas > Masters
genius, the points add up throughout the year. g2 have been better than lev at every point regionally, which all give points. g2 also has the extra points from top 4 at santiago. it's not a surprise that g2 are above lev in points. i agree it's a shame that lev aren't at champs, but it's on their own team performance for not making it. lev were even able to come within 2 points of g2 with an absent kickoff performance and 2 other worse regional placements based on their masters performance alone, so it's not like masters doesn't have any weight
they started the stage with the most points in americas and 4 teams proved they were better than them by beating them in placement and g2 and nrg even ended up with more points
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