something genuinely needs to be done about this agent
yes i understand this agent has been nerfed already. still has an insanely high win rate since being added to the game two years ago, still appears in absolutely every single lobby literally no exaggeration EVERY lobby, still pushes out every other controller from almost ever being played in ranked
I realize there are other agents that are constantly instalocked but the winrate alone being consistently a full 2% higher than everyone else is a huge red flag especially when you realize that almost everyone else's winrate is within a 2% margin of each other
it feels like this agent gets a pass for being a terrorist in ranked just because the pro play pickrate is hovering around 0%, but reyna is in the same boat yet she's never had an above 52% winrate and has still gotten way more nerfs than clove ever has
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At this point it's placebo bro. Picking Clove just means you have more confidence than the average controller player
I dont understand this excuse. clove winrates are statistically way too high in every single act to be a placebo. it's not just the mentality of the players it's the agent itself.
I mean you also have to consider the fact of who is playing those agents. You would never see someone like boaster on clove but you would know someone cracked at aiming like demon1 would play clove.
the highest pickrate in the game and shows up in every lobby. everyone is playing clove.
What are you talking about Clove isn't even in the top 5 highest played% in this game lmao
And for reference, Jett 9.3%, Reyna 9.1%, Chamber 8.2%, Miks 6.6%, Sage 6.2% and then Clove at 5.5%
the stat i'm seeing is that clove is #4 currently so my mistake assuming #1 but the point stands either way we're not talking about some niche pick here. the sample size is definitely large enough at this point that it makes absolutely no sense to be attributing the ridiculous winrate to a select few players that just pop off on this agent, it's the agent itself.
Yeah I don't know where you are getting this info about clove being at #4 picked currently so either you're using a website that has inaccurate data which would also lead to other misconceptions or you just lying. Also if we are looking at winrates both sage and KJ are top 2 and 3 for winrates, are we really saying they need to get nerfed because of that? no both of them are pretty underpowered right now lmao.
sage and killjoy are on the upper end of the ~2% margin that almost everyone else is in, with both their winrates highly boosted by lower ranks. Clove is an extreme outlier.
Sage and Kj both have a 51%-52% winrate in any rank and then 54% in radiant lol what are we saying. Clove is an "outlier" but not by much what are we trying to exaggerate.
Before Clove released, it was Brim who had weirdly high NMWR, and Omen/Astra were still at the bottom. Then Clove released and Brim wr tanked with the others. Then Clove got hard nerfed, and Brim wr went up to top 10.
Simplicity and reliability are the two factors that most affect an agent's stats in ranked. You'll see this with the other agents that are consistently around top 7 at every rank.
"Placebo" wasn't the right word for it. It has to do with how much mental bandwidth an agent's utility occupies, which takes away from focusing on mechanics and gunfights.
The type of player to fill Omen because they want to blind for the team is a lot less likely to clutch a 1v3 in ranked than the Clove who wants to dry peek enemies like it's deathmatch, and of course those stupid rounds are what make or break ranked, not the fact that you can blind part of the site every round.
Well yes she requires the least amount of time to smoke other than brim who doesn't recharge and can't smoke after death. Plus her kit enables you to essentially play as a secondary duelist and bait just like reyna. And her skill ceiling is as high as a foot stool. Shes simply and easy to just turn off your brain and shoot your gun with. There's not way to fix that without changing how she plays which is her only appeal. Take that away and shes even worse off than pre buff harbor.
I think the biggest issue is clearly the ult, its why EVERY single lobby has a clove and also single handedly converts round losses into wins on a fairly regular basis. Smoking after death is also a ridiculous ability that frequently converts rounds even after the nerf. i genuinely think these two pieces of utility are by far the most idiotic thing riot has ever added to this game including neon. I have no idea what the fuck can even be done about it but theres no way they can just let this shit live in the game as-is forever
clove is arguably a bottom 3 agent alongside reyna in terms of actual usefulness. she seems good in ranked because people play her like a duelist and dont run from clove ult. even before the nerfs she was alr useless. you are stupid if you think she needs another nerf
Mentioning Reyna as if I didn't already point out the fact that Reyna has received far more nerfs than clove despite being equally useless. There is no reason a single agent should be getting such an absurdly statistically anomalous win rate for so long and then people have the audacity to say that that's not a sign that the agent is overtuned.
idk what can be done when her strengths simply align well with how ranked games play out
ranked games are always gonna be mostly run it down and nerfing her kit further would just murk the agent
clove is the easiest agent in a role that no one wants to play has the highest game sense requirement to be effective. In every rank except radiant clove is negative. The otherr controllers take more practice and concentration. On clove you only need to know where to generally place smokes.
58% non-mirror WR in radiant and 55% in immortal is nuts. Especially with a 10% pick rate lol
They essentially need to rework clove at this point as the nerfs won't kill the agent.
i feel like riot made a mistake adding clove, has no pro play viability and is reyna 2.0 with smokes and a useful ult. i get they wanted an agent for ranked players but why would they base it off of reyna the most problematic agent in ranked?
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