Keeps reiterating over and over again that the Head Coach should have final say on the roster because he's with the players every day. My brother in christ, please name a single other sport where head coach and GM isn't almost always separate roles
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mikes was talking bad about how sen treated kaplan but nrg won champs after taking out mikes for bonkar and fns for skuba mid season
healzera [#2]mikes was talking bad about how sen treated kaplan but nrg won champs after taking out mikes for bonkar and fns for skuba mid season
I'm just shocked that FNS has this take since he's such a big Arsenal fan. He should know how sports works
ChadMaxing [#3]I'm just shocked that FNS has this take since he's such a big Arsenal fan. He should know how sports works
esports isn't the same as physical sports man, name one other sport where a general manager is hired to only manage five (5!!) players
ilovezekken [#4]esports isn't the same as physical sports man, name one other sport where a general manager is hired to only manage five (5!!) players
f1
healzera [#5]f1
yeah except they're called team principals and do more than traditional gm duties
ilovezekken [#6]yeah except they're called team principals and do more than traditional gm duties
I don't know why you think the size of the roster is relevant to this discussion. Just because you're a good* coach doesn't mean you know how to manage a roster.
*throwing Kaplan a bone here for the sake of argument
laaft [#7]hes completely right rob moore has managed this situation terribly
rob moore's mistakes:
not having a dedicated GM pre kaplan
not firing Kaplan before the season started
ChadMaxing [#9]rob moore's mistakes:
not having a dedicated GM pre kaplan
not firing Kaplan before the season started
sen have a manager
kaplan just gets final say
gamergirl [#10]sen have a manager
kaplan just gets final say
yeah manager shouldve always had final roster decision. if anything Kaplan being "with the players every day" would just make him more biased
ChadMaxing [#11]yeah manager shouldve always had final roster decision. if anything Kaplan being "with the players every day" would just make him more biased
kaplan was not "with the players every day" when he chose the initial roster so...?
ChadMaxing [#8]I don't know why you think the size of the roster is relevant to this discussion. Just because you're a good* coach doesn't mean you know how to manage a roster.
*throwing Kaplan a bone here for the sake of argument
it's absolutely relevant! in traditional sports, there are so many players on a team that a coach cannot possibly handle coaching duties while scouting other players and getting to know each individual player's situation comprehensively. thus, a general manager is brought in to help. in valorant, there are only five players on a team, so the coach is able to understand each player's strengths and tendencies intimately, often better than anyone else. that's why coaches usually do and SHOULD have the final decision.
ilovezekken [#13]it's absolutely relevant! in traditional sports, there are so many players on a team that a coach cannot possibly handle coaching duties while scouting other players and getting to know each individual player's situation comprehensively. thus, a general manager is brought in to help. in valorant, there are only five players on a team, so the coach is able to understand each player's strengths and tendencies intimately, often better than anyone else. that's why coaches usually do and SHOULD have the final decision.
coaches dont scout in pro sports and they also dont usually have personal relationships with players. holy yap
edit: downvoted for truth. pro teams have whole scouting departments that the head coach is not a part of. they report to the gm. the head coach couldnt give less of a fuck about most of the players on the team. Especially in the NBA GMs will actually have a huge influence on who gets played and how many minutes they get while the coach has little input on drafts and trades. begging you mouth breathers to watch some nfl/nba/mlb interviews
ilovezekken [#12]kaplan was not "with the players every day" when he chose the initial roster so...?
im quoting fns dummy
My 2 cents - Like most pro sports (collegiate included), the head coach is not involved in identifying talent and personnel. Some sports involve the HC in the final decision process (most American sports and even there its the GM that has the final say). The key difference here though is in most other sports the scouts, GM or director of football take on the responsibility of forming the SQUAD (with reserves to pick from). In esports, for most of the teams, the squad is the team. I think the role of HC here changes significantly. They need to have a say in the matter of whom to keep and whom to kick (harsh wording but tryin got make a point).
ilovezekken [#4]esports isn't the same as physical sports man, name one other sport where a general manager is hired to only manage five (5!!) players
literally valorant
FNC is consistently one of the best teams in their region and in the world because they have an exceptionally good GM in cojo and it's dumb to think that a good GM wouldn't improve roster construction for any VCT team in the league
well fns is meant to be that guy who sides with the players and even coaches (esp if they were ex players), this is the opinion id expect from him
he is an ex player of course he wants to keep everything secret and advocate for players and coaches to get all the power
healzera [#2]mikes was talking bad about how sen treated kaplan but nrg won champs after taking out mikes for bonkar and fns for skuba mid season
that wasnt nearly the same thing. nrg sided with fns and gave him a split to prove it that lineup failed so then they gave bonkar the reigns instead. thats not at all the same thing they just gave the reigns to two different leadership figures to make the changes and direct the team how they see fit.
ChadMaxing [#15]im quoting fns dummy
yea how can he biased when he first picks the roster lol he sure didn't know the players that well at first
ChadMaxing [#14]coaches dont scout in pro sports and they also dont usually have personal relationships with players. holy yap
edit: downvoted for truth. pro teams have whole scouting departments that the head coach is not a part of. they report to the gm. the head coach couldnt give less of a fuck about most of the players on the team. Especially in the NBA GMs will actually have a huge influence on who gets played and how many minutes they get while the coach has little input on drafts and trades. begging you mouth breathers to watch some nfl/nba/mlb interviews
yea dummy that was the entire point i'm making. in traditional sports leagues there are around at least 20 players per roster so the hc dgaf. but in val its different each hc knows their players. what point are you even trying to make idiot
Wingull [#18]literally valorant
FNC is consistently one of the best teams in their region and in the world because they have an exceptionally good GM in cojo and it's dumb to think that a good GM wouldn't improve roster construction for any VCT team in the league
this is true but there are also equally as good or if not better teams that have head coaches deciding who's on the roster so it's hard to say how much value a GM really brings
just my 2 cents
Reminds me of late 2021 when they refused to hire a coach when every other top team had one
r0b defenders in shambles, even fns knows what happened was extremely fucked and literally one of one in esports. never has a coach removal been handled in such a fucked way
Pakola [#25]Reminds me of late 2021 when they refused to hire a coach when every other top team had one
whole streamer team streaming 25 hrs a day, doing zero prac and scrims, never playing chamber, then they signed shroud.
where was management then
I mean rob did the right thing but he literally scapegoated for Kaplan for everything which wasn’t why they were shit. He basically ruined kaplans career , I bet Kaplan will struggle to find another chance again
TheAceGamer30 [#28]I mean rob did the right thing but he literally scapegoated for Kaplan for everything which wasn’t why they were shit. He basically ruined kaplans career , I bet Kaplan will struggle to find another chance again
rob took it so far I think it backfired and he just seemed scummy trying to blame everything on kaplan. especially when nearly all the ex players came out praising kaplan
so I think despite r0b m000re's best attempts, kaplan will probably find another job even if not as head cos he
TheAceGamer30 [#28]I mean rob did the right thing but he literally scapegoated for Kaplan for everything which wasn’t why they were shit. He basically ruined kaplans career , I bet Kaplan will struggle to find another chance again
i doubt he'll find it hard lol
all of his players came out and said the complete opposite of what rob said so its obvious he's just a salty ceo
SENfns [#30]i doubt he'll find it hard lol
all of his players came out and said the complete opposite of what rob said so its obvious he's just a salty ceo
Yeah that’s the only thing helping Kaplan
TheAceGamer30 [#28]I mean rob did the right thing but he literally scapegoated for Kaplan for everything which wasn’t why they were shit. He basically ruined kaplans career , I bet Kaplan will struggle to find another chance again
his peers seem to respect him, plus most of what rob said about kaplan were about roster construction cause sen coaches were in a unique position across all orgs where they're given the keys to the team
ilovezekken [#23]yea dummy that was the entire point i'm making. in traditional sports leagues there are around at least 20 players per roster so the hc dgaf. but in val its different each hc knows their players. what point are you even trying to make idiot
That the GM and Head Coach should always be separate roles as is the case for every other sports league on the planet?
ChadMaxing [#33]That the GM and Head Coach should always be separate roles as is the case for every other sports league on the planet?
yeah but this sports league is not the same as the other ones because in this one the coaches actually know the players and i'm trying to show you that lol
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