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SINATRA DEFENDERS COME

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#1
indicrow

Addressing claims that no conviction means she was lying, false accusations are commonplace and she did it for attention, etc.

98% of perpetrators walk free

"For every 1000 sexual assaults, 50 reports lead to arrests, 28 cases lead to a felony convictions, and only 25 perpetrators are sentenced to incarceration." Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Incident-Based Reporting System, 2012-2016 (2017).

This study also showed that accusations of rape that are proven credible are often times not reported or investigations are dropped out of fear, mental health, or distrust in the justice system.

Similar studies continue to show only a 1-4% rate of conviction, including one published in Jan. of 2025 (NBC investigation) which looked at thousands of documents from police, prosecution offices, and courts across the entire USA.

Many studies have been done on false reporting. The general conclusion is that 5% of accusations are likely false, however when stricter criteria is applied for evidence (direct evidence proves it is false or a direct admission of lying from the accuser) the rate drops to 2%.

NOT TO MENTION THERE IS AUDIO RECORDING OF SINATRA ASSAULTING HER, HE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE HE CLAIMED HE HAD AS HE PROMISED IN HIS STATEMENT, MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO RIOT, AND THERE IS TEXT EVIDENCE OF HIM BEING EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE REPETITIVELY

You have to ask yourself, if there is a paper trail showing that he regularly is emotionally abusive and does not care about her emotionally well being and boundaries, and audio evidence of him violating consent (sexual assault), PLUS the statistical likelihood of her accusation being credible rather than not....

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HIM?

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termtermtermterm
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innocent until proven guilty for the r*pe thing

as for everything else I believe that people can change

#4
Uncleben
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That’s for legal consequences btw, people are welcome to think what they want

#7
termtermtermterm
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indeed people are welcome to think what they want, so why is there so much stress being put on people just because they have the opinion of defending him?

#9
Uncleben
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People are indeed welcome to think as they please, and people are also welcome to discuss those opinions, hence why opinions can be criticized

#24
KiwiJuice
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what "change" have you ever seen in this guy. Read the texts, he's a manipulating drama queen. Is it the fake nonchalance, pretending not to care? Who doesn't see through that, he's a fucking loser with "a million dollars". Wow so cool.

#3
Uncleben
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If I go through the post history of Sinatraa defenders I’d better not see one post about “molescent” or “flordiddy” btw

#5
SudokuDude
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Can we stop talking about this already? Shit is boring rn

#6
lejargon
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Allat, Sinatraa to Tier 1 please

#8
Acethyr
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  1. i would rather protect an innocent person than punish a guilty person
  2. there is no sufficient evidence
  3. im less inclined to believe someone who comes online to crucify someone for sexual assault instead of going to cops. gives off massive attention seeker vibes and the person who does it, historically, is usually lying
  4. his side of the story is pretty believable too
#10
indicrow
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  1. This argument would make sense if the metrics we have to prove someone guilty vs innocent was correct a majority of the time. Countless studies have proven that the justice system lets rapists walk FAR more than just conviction. This is separate from the fact there are dozens of screenshots and audio evidence.

  2. There may not be enough public evidence for conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) but this isn’t a court of law. The current evidence plus statistical likelihood makes it far more likely than not.

  3. The most effective method for stopping a famous abuser is certainly not going to the cops. This is once again proven by repeated studies showing a horrifically low rate of abusers being charged and/or convicted. Putting evidence out to the public and RIOT who are in direct control of his career makes plenty of practical sense.

  4. Statistical 5% vs 95%, plus all the screenshots and the audio recording, doesn’t seem very believable to me.

#11
Acethyr
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what are you even talking about bro, how do the screenshots prove in any way he sexually assaulted her, they just show that he was an insecure dumbass who had nothing going on up there
the evidence absolutely does NOT make it more likely for him to be a rapist than not, the best thing she has going for her is an audio recording that is very likely out of context.

almost every single person who ive seen step up on twitter to call someone out for having sexually assaulted them, has been found out to be lying.

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indicrow
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Here is another well researched statistic for you:

Both people who are emotionally abusive, physically abusive, or both are more likely than the average person to be convicted or accused or rape at some point during their life.

Also what you personally see on twitter is not evidence. That is purely anecdotal. There is a reason anecdotal evidence has killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, over the course of human history. Cause it is wildly unreliable and is usually not indicative of the truth.

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brother this is some inhuman shit im sorry but im over this, you people are legit pissin me off

the fuck do you mean by this, he was insecure as a person so now hes more likely to have been a rapist? and your comment below which says he was more likely to be a rapist than not? genuinely gtfo i cba w this

im so glad people like you arent in charge of the judgement system

#26
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For the 10000th time i’m not saying he is guilty enough to be put behind bars based on the current evidence. I’m saying it’s more likely than not he is a rapist and shouldn’t be defended by the public.

What I said was a statistically proven FACT. I didn’t make it up it has been studied by research scientists multiple times. People who act in emotionally abusive ways are more likely to violate sexual boundaries too. Doesn’t mean every single person does, it just adds to the likelihood.

#27
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  1. he is currently in a happy relationship with his new girlfriend who seems to love him very much and stuck by his side through the allegations, which also doesn't fit the profile of a evil abuser
  2. immaturity != intentional emotional abuse
  3. its well documented that SA leads to PTSD, trauma, etc, yet the accuser is posting thirst traps online which seems pretty counterintuitive for a victim of SA
  4. the most damning piece of evidence was a short audio clip of her saying no, and sinatraa has clarified how out of context it is in his own tweet

I highly recommend you read his response
If supposed victims are to be heard out unconditionally, I believe the accused should also be allowed to have their voice heard
https://x.com/sinatraa/status/1862644631067849178?lang=en

#30
indicrow
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  1. There is no evidence that an offender in a happy relationship now did not abuse someone in the past. There are tried and convicted rapists, murderers, and worse in happy relationships now. Why should his current GF’s moral compass be used as evidence.

  2. He was at an age where his brain is capable of making decisions and the decision to act emotionally abusive is the one he chose. He was not a toddler or mentally handicapped leading to not understanding the impact of his actions.

  3. She is consenting to post thirst traps. She did not consent to being abused emotionally or sexually. Basic consent is a sex-ed topic 6th graders learn. Also your argument is founded on the same logic as “depressed people can’t be happy at times” and “people with anxiety can never feel relaxed” and so on.

  4. Sinatra clarifying something in a tweet doesn’t mean it is not true. Why is his word so trustworthy?

  5. The world has heard him out too. Doesn’t change the fact that the evidence plus statistics still show that he assaulted her more likely than not. Not to mention RIOT themselves stated they caught him misrepresenting certain facts at multiple points during the investigation.

#12
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using statistics for something as difficult to prove as sexual assault when there is no stastical evidence doesn't suddenly give you the right to deem him more likely a rapist.

#19
indicrow
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We use statistics to determine whether something is more likely than not 24/7 across the entire human experience. The evidence plus the statistics absolutely are enough to say that he raped her more likely than not.

#28
serot
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If I mentioned certain statistics about black people in america I would be considered a racist
statistics NEVER tell the full story... there is always more factors to consider

#34
indicrow
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Let's follow your argument to its logical conclusion.

Violence and robberies are not crimes committed for the same reason as rape (duh). Studies show that lack of basic foundational needs being met (hunger, food, shelter, physical safety, etc) lead to higher crime rates. There is also a difference in the type of robberies and types of violence. A robbery committed for money that is more necessary for survival than luxury is different than someone robbing a bank to be a millionaire. Same with murder and violence. Murdering someone when you are a part of a gang you joined while young and is you entire support network and social group is different than someone murdering a random person off the street for fun. While neither are necessary, one is heavily influenced by the conditions of the persons upbringing and situation. This by no means makes it OK or justifiable. It just proves that the statistic you are referring to has far less to do with race and more to do with socioeconomic status. This is also proven by studies that show when people are lifted out of poverty or find safety and community in places not controlled by gangs crime rates decrease heavily.

Now, lets look at the situation surrounding Sinatra.

Sinatra is an up-and-coming esports player with a girlfriend, salary that only some could dream of, and stability in his life. He chooses to be abusive simply because it is easier than controlling his emotions. There is no notable socioeconomic influence making him be an asshole to his girlfriend. Furthermore, rape is a selfish crime that fulfills the need of sexual gratification in the most barbaric way possible. He has two hands and could use them instead. He could leave his GF and go hookup with someone who is consenting. The possibilities go on. Yet, he CHOSE to rape her instead. There were ZERO outside factors pushing him to do this. He is completely in control of his actions. This is true for rape in general. It is a crime that cannot be tied to socioeconomic influence the same ways that some other crimes can. Again, due to the fact that there is a quick and easy way to fulfill whatever desire without raping someone, and the individuality of the crime removes it from things like gang or group violence.

Now you see the problem. Your argument makes zero sense here and honestly you shot yourself in the foot because it just further proves how easy it would have been for him to respect her.

Next time think your logic through.

#36
Acethyr
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Fair play bro you win the argument no one is readin allat, you can have it bro

You want this more

#31
Rakooon
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On the first point, how do these so called "studies" prove what the court system itself couldn't prove? I think these reasearchers don't have near the same amount of resources the justice system has at its disposal to investigate these cases.
Most often than not, there are no convictions because it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, thus no conviction can take place.
You keep saying statistics this, studies that, but I find it hard to believe there's any sort of solid scientific process on something as hard to prove as sexual assault.

#35
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I'm not trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm saying that given what we know about sex crimes in general and those who commit them, combined with the evidence we have against Sinatra, the reality in which he assaults her is more likely than not. Also, research has proven that courts are not good at investigating and convicting sex crimes and these cases are often times pushed aside completely. It doesn't matter if they have the resources it is whether or not they choose to apply/use them.

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wtf that first point even mean surely you'd rather protect a countless amount of people by punishing the guilty person?

#16
Acethyr
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you didnt understand the point at all

in this case, it is not KNOWN whether or not the person is innocent or guilty
so you assume they're innocent, as it is more important to make sure an innocent person is not sent to jail, than to have a guilty person roam free

that is the whole premise of "innocent until proven guilty" i just explained it more

#20
bigboysam
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seems more important to ensure that the guilty person doesn't roam free and potentially do it again but I suppose that's just differing views

#22
Acethyr
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as far as im concerned it is far more importnat to ensure an innocent person doesn't get punished for something they didnt do

#25
indicrow
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We aren’t in a court of law. At most, we are debating if Sinatra should be allowed to return to Valorant pro play. Imagine if every boss had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an employee they are trying to fire deserves to be let go. Imagine if you couldn’t fire an employee who was accused of being inappropriate in the workplace until they got a court conviction. That would be stupid.

#14
catNmouse
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the real question is why is he getting so much glaze when he has not played for 4 years

#15
Disastered
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he did decent no

#17
SkyXD
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bro did decent in 2 (two) offseason games against t2 players from this year and now people are glazing him like it’s 2021 or sm sht

#32
Acethyr
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tbf i was just happy for the guy
it was nice to see him come back and play well after all the shit hes been through

#33
uwukitten
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children think his lame ass personality is cool

#23
PandaZ
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billionth sinatraa post of the day

#29
sh1lll
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the only time sybau is a reasonable response

ur a droid who lacks regular human interaction so u have to over compensate with bullshit and attention farming

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