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#1
Feuerstern

this guy is criminally overrated, he cant even play every initiator properly (his sova isnt very good) according to edg most of his breach util which he was glazed for so much was protocol based. He also didnt communicate with the team was quiet during pracs is higly emotional and was always one of the 2 worst performing players on edg (him and nobody were the 2 and nobody is legit igl) meanwhile people glaze him to the moon and back. his team paid 700k for a middling intiator who got carried by his team and has 2 memorable moments (and a breach stun to help chichoos ace)
This guy is crazy overrated

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oh and while im yapping it also wouldnt have done anything if edg kept him because he also cant play yoru and they would have the same role issues as before, still people pretend like they wouldve won champs again if they kept him which is clearly dead wrong.

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dimmed
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this

#6
9wntr
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this
exactly my point
u cant play breach neon every map

#26
x_knowitall39_x
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he doesnt need to play yoru. double duelist isnt the only comp to be ran, neither of the 2 top teams at champs even run it

#27
Feuerstern
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U still need a yoru player. Both top 2 teams play a lot of yoru. And just bc s1mon is there kangkang wont learn it faster than he did

#28
x_knowitall39_x
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nrg literally only plays yoru on abyss

#29
Feuerstern
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Sure but what do they play on other maps? Double controller. Idk abt u but i have never seen s1mon play viper
Edit: apparently hes played it before, my bad

#36
catNmouse
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s1mon could just play omen, he doesn’t necessarily have to play viper

#39
Feuerstern
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Fine ig? Am still doubtful but thats probably the best solution

#44
zephyrara
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he could still end up on scan with nobody on omen

#60
9wntr
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his sova is buns

#61
simbhdri
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doesnt mean he can't learn it

#3
nutab1e
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Holy internet explorer + no s1mon no win

#4
chasethefuture
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shut your mouth lil bro paris final boss carries yo team

#7
peetherium
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"no s1mon no win 🤓" mental handicappers knowing full well that S1mon would've gone 2-30 on Yoru if he stayed

#21
9wntr
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basically

#46
zephyrara
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honestly would've rather had him go 2 30 on yoru and let him set up kk on dive. what's the PT of making a fuss of kk playing yoru and eventually putting him on it and jieni on dive when their highest peaking player won champs on dive

#47
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Nobody can go 10/30 on yoru

#8
noahkraken
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I agree and disagree. I 100% agree that EDG would still be having the same role issues with or without S1mon, and that he brought a lot of other negative elements to the team. On the other hand, his flash initiator util was absolutely incredible, even if a good chunk of it was protocol-based. It still takes skill to execute protocols flawlessly and consistently.

I have pretty high hopes for EDG next year, especially with some new coaching direction. The raw talent is absolutely there, they just need to find their strategic comfort in the meta

#9
aspassonjiezounb
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i do think jieni can be the new coming star

#10
noahkraken
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He can definitely shoot, just needs time to develop with the team

#49
midzera
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He has that trademark CN region cracked out aim, but his decision making is naive and brash. Naturally, this is gonna happen to a rookie especially if their role is the sacrificial lamb. With a bit more honing on his playstyle, he can be great. Zjc is a great flex talent as well and I think if they experiment with comps, they can find something which works with either player.

As for S1mon, I agree on the whole role issue since EDG wanted to adapt into double-dive especially with how amazing Yoru can be when utilised optimally. I feel like if EDG went back to similar comps to 2024, they might struggle in region because a lot of the teams have seen their demos and know what to expect mostly. It's also become a lot more apparent that agents like Breach generally are becoming less popular due to ineffective utility or difficulty to coordinate.

#51
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Gx and sen are the only teams still playing a lot of 2024 comps, u can see what happened to them

#55
midzera
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Breach as an agent might need to be reworked or at least his utility needs to be updated in a way that makes it more intimidating to tank.

#58
noahkraken
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I agree, and I think Jieni having to be inserted back into the starting roster in the middle of stage 2 made it way harder. Had they used the time between stage 1 and stage 2 and committed fully to Jieni, the team would've likely been better.

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peetherium
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the moment he becomes consistent aim-wise he'll start tearing ppl new ones. he had great moments at champs despite the stats being a little shaky on first glance

#12
x_knowitall39_x
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still better than jieni. no idea why edg wants to put time and resources into this bum

#14
aspassonjiezounb
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then why no idea why edg wants to put time and resources into simon

#16
Feuerstern
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thats pretty easy, jieni has a higher ceiling bigger agent pool is younger and actually communicates with the team.

#23
x_knowitall39_x
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you guys talk of s1mon as if hes a horrifically shit player, jieni is just as bad if not worse.

anything to cope with the fact that removing s1mon effectively killed EDG

#32
noahkraken
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I think you just didn’t watch jieni in stage 2. Towards the end he was playing quite well and had a lot of flashes of raw aim talent

#54
midzera
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S1mon is just divisive because he was great in his role at the right time. However, it's clear now that he is generally not a great team player due to his attitude towards practice and trying new agents as well as his limited comms. Throwing tantrums and arguing with management and teammates is pretty much him being a bad person at that point because he isn't being reasonable or negotiable about what EDG can do.

Correlation isn't necessarily causation as well. CN as a region stepped up in competitiveness this year and it made the region more entertaining. XLG, BLG, Wolves, DRG all made some big impact at different points in the year. EDG definitely took two steps back trying to replace S1mon and keep playing some of the same comps or trying new comps without proper understanding of the agents, but they can at least take the opportunity to improve a lot more for 2026.

#13
BLG_FNS
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no s1mon no win

#15
noahkraken
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how original

#18
sexocum
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flair

#17
Lucrix
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this. idk how anyone can say no s1mon no win unless they're baiting

#19
GambleNats
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ive BEEN saying this

#20
uwukitten
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EDG with s1mon: 1st champs, 3rd bangkok
EDG without s1mon...

they were garbage before he joined and garbage after he left, surely you don't think it's all because of the meta?

#24
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Just because he was good for them in one meta doesnt mean that he would save them in tejo and double duelist meta.
Muggle also seemed like gods gift during that meta and look where hes at now.

#22
nightwinter14
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Anyone who is talking about s1mon in the big 2025 is braindead. He was bumming around and flamed his coaches, burning every bridge with EDG.

#25
Mingu
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Well one things for sure Muggle is not a good coach

#30
Ahnri
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According to EDG he would comm every single piece of util before using it and functioned nearly as an igl in regards to any set plays or Strats that involved him. And always took initiative in team fights. But you choose to only listen to EDG after they decide to use him as a scapegoat. Whilst just blatantly making false claims that were demonstrably disproven… wow the agent that is mostly involved in set strats and protocols uses util that mainly pertains to set strats and protocols wowzers who would’ve guessed… let’s just ignore the intuition behind his util during mid rounds that can’t be practiced with consistency… at the end of the day when he was on the team the team was actually good. Not much else to it.

#33
Feuerstern
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Uhm, initiators job is to comm every piece of util. That isnt something special that only he does.

#38
Ahnri
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Every players job is to comm util… and yet you have a very very very deep bag of plenty of clips of even top teams swinging before smokes are up before flashes before util etc… can give you 5 instances of that in DRX vs MIBR alone… the coordination and initiative is what I’m highlighting the ability to direct your team with both comms in util which many flash initiators lack. Which is why Wo0t sucked on flash initiator…

#42
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I can also point u different examples where edg get flashed/stunned from s1mon
This doesnt say much?
Also the comparison to woot is stupid because s1mon literally mains these agent and still has worse stats than woot (obviously his util was way better)

#48
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The stats of a player are irrelevant to intangibles within a team and util what is this non point lmao. I’d love to see your examples of when that’s happened. Which again… is something he’s praised for by muggle at champs. Meaning it’s something that greatly positively impacts their gameplay.

#37
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In what way was S1mon used as a scapegoat? After they won Champs, they did well at Bangkok. Even when they got eliminated, most people weren't pointing the fingers at S1mon, and then he barely played before getting subbed out. Don't you think that EDG org would've wanted to keep a player that played a key role in their Champs 24 win?? Also, "making false claims that were demonstrably disproven" like what? The claims were that he was emotional and not a great communicator when he was struggling, and there isn't really anything to disprove those claims. Finally, the main reason the team has been struggling are due to roster and meta shifts, which take time to figure out.

#45
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His mechanics were always a topic of discussion primarily around Bangkok. The org itself emphasized S1mon putting more time into aim training than anyone else on the team. I don’t think edg as an org is competent enough to know why S1mon was such a key roll. And they has consistently shown their lack of competence during the whole drama and after it. Claimed S1mon was completely unwilling to learn play or practice yoru which was disproven by his game history of player yoru multiple times. You’re not as informed on the topic as you think if you believe those were the only claims. Yeah I’m aware of that they spent the entire year giving Zmjjkk freedom and poking at the idea of him playing yoru going as far as to push for their FLASH INITIATOR to do it rather than their DUELIST only for them to realize hmmm maybe this is something that we needed to do and finally just stick with him on yoru… AT CHAMPS. The LAST event of the year. They already had it figured out just weren’t willing to commit to it until the last minute. Like a said they’ve consistently shown their lack of competence.

#50
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Maybe it's because I don't use social media much, but I don't remember S1mon's mechanics being cited as a key reason behind their Bangkok loss. If I am wrong then that's my bad. I am familiar with the Yoru stuff with S1mon, but it's really unclear from the WeChat messages what the actual timeline was and who said what at what time. It's just Aqua and S1mon going back and forth, the actual context and truth isn't clear. Also, I do agree that the coaching staff has issues, and I was happy to see that Muggle is leaving. However, the constant role issues (like the KK Yoru situation) were also about the players (you could definitely criticize KK) as much as the coaches.

#56
Ahnri
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Key reason? No, but it was a topic of conversation similar to Zellsis if not worse.

#31
N1TF
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No s1mon no win point still stand if they somehow become better without s1mon it will be good until the narrative stand still

#35
Feuerstern
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Cant argue much against that, but s1mon=instant win is also just not true

#43
N1TF
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I am not saying it is gonna be instant win like at least I want the team to fight better with or without util and be good on trades which is lacking currently I hope it will fix at some point

#40
noahkraken
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It's just such a complete oversimplification of the issues EDG has had that it's annoying for people to brainlessly say it

#34
RoastBeef
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either way EDG are dogshit same with china

#41
noahkraken
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You can talk your shit if FNC win tomorrow, otherwise pipe down

#52
welikefortniteandvalorant
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what the FUCK do you mean he got paid 700k

#53
Feuerstern
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Thats the buyout any questions gaming (his current team) payed edg to get him
And yes i mean usd

#57
welikefortniteandvalorant
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oh my goodness thats ridiculous

is that the highest buyout in the modern day? didnt tenz get bought out for that money back then (or yay idk anymore)

#59
Jayde
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No its not Tenzs buyout was 1.25 mil and its rumored that there have been even larger deals in china

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