2 champs > kr0n

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b b b but he's the f f faker of v-
ethan wipes

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most people would rather have 1 champs over 2 masters so yeah 2 champs is better than 3 masters maybe even 4 lol

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There's a reason it's called Masters and not Champions lol

Chronicle is the equivalent of niko in cs

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me personally prefer 2 master, but two champs def better than 3 master and ethan is on a completely different team

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legacy wise and even prize pool wise 1 champs outweighs 2 masters lol

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i get u but the thing is if u win 2 master which means u have longer domination for me it's more valuable but money wise i agree with you

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cool ass champions trophy where there's only 1 per year (so far only 5 of them)
or 2 masters trophies where there's 2 per year (10 of them as of now)

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yeah which is 1/2 master events, and valorant meta keeps changing which makes it harder to keep the dominance, i think the only circustance 1 champ >= 2 masters is like sentinels their first win was like 2021 and recent one is 2024

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Elite tier ragebait

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lost braincells reading this

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and? so?

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so kron isnt the goat
every fnc flair thinks he is for some reason kekw

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i mean so we ignore all his trophies? dont let hate blind you.

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just because he won with the right teammate at the right time, doesnt make him the goat

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It's funny because you actually CAN compare Ethan and Chronicle, unlike Aspas

Ethan has already won a Champs trophy, is now an IGL. If he wins this, it would be undisputed that he clears

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you saying aspas below them? when he is dropping those numbers?

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no EU brain, Im not saying that

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Fartnicle’s daddy chiming in 😍😍

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2 champs
best flash init oat
turned into the best IGL itw

def

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best igl itw is a bit far but a good igl nonetheless

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like current i mean

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current out of the final 4 is actually quite even
with mako being the clear 4th cuz of his inexperience calling

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boaster’s calling is just too simple

its good by definition but lacks depth

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FNC's playstyle is more about following a gameplan rather than adaptability thats why
they never speed up on 1 side if they see an op on the other side, they will no matter what ALWAYS play time for mistakes

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it isnt only about trophies. it is about comparing all international placements.

ethan international tournaments: 4-5 (5 if u include EWC)
3rd/4th, 2nd, 1st, 5th-8th, top2

chron international tournaments: 9-10
1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 4th, 5th-6th, 7th-8th, 2nd, 2nd, top3

obviously Chron would still clear, but the gap would be closer. ofc u NA fans cant use basic logic...

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what tourney was that 3rd/4th from ethan

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100T masters 3 berlin 2021

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when kron most decorated "trophies matter the most"
when he isnt "it isnt only about trophies"
LMAOAOAOAOAOA I actually cant wtf are fnc fans on

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LMAOO

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They always forget Sacy in these trophy counts for some reason too

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cus they dont actually watch ANY non emea game

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he is retired lmao

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still more victorious than chronighost😂

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that isnt me lmao

im not some stupid-fuck hypocrite

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if you have always believed that then fair enough ig

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legit that twitter meme where mfs can't easily analyze that they are getting 2 diff opinions from 2 diff mfs

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i do get that
but 98% of the kron goat argument was abt "most trophies"

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this is my chron goat argument:

Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator)
International Events attended: 10/16
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 6
Top 4: 8
Top 8: 10
International MVPs:

Berlin 2021 (1.26 rating) - according to Liquipedia: https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics

International Ratings: Average = 1.16

Total Rounds: 2669
- 1.26 * (306 rounds)
- 1.19 * (356 rounds)
- 1.10 * (307 rounds)
- 1.19 * (210 rounds)
- 0.94 * (270 rounds)
- N/A
- 1.21 * (293 rounds)
- 1.13 * (419 rounds)
- 1.30 * (279 rounds)
- 1.16 * (229 rounds)
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.16408392656 -> 1.16

Tier 1 Teams: https://www.vlr.gg/355247/top-10-teams-of-every-year

GAMBIT (#1 2021)
FNATIC (#1 2023, #8 2024, current: #1-4 2025)

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Aspas:
Role: Duelist
International Events attended: 10/16
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 2
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 7
International MVPs:

Champs 2022 (0.99 rating) - according to Liquipedia: https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics

International Ratings: Average = 1.12

Total Rounds: 2525
- 1.18 (240 rounds)
- 1.04 (136 rounds)
- 0.99 (366 rounds)
- 1.11 (380 rounds)
- 1.11 (80 rounds)
- 1.15 (515 rounds)
- N/A
- 1.14 (407 rounds)
- 0.53 (71 rounds)
- 1.33 (256 rounds)
Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.12

Tier 1 Teams: https://www.vlr.gg/355247/top-10-teams-of-every-year

LOUD (#2 2022, #4 2023)
LEV (#7 2024)
MIBR (current: #2-13 2025)

Conclusion: Chronicle is better.

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this is a good argument ngl
way better than how most fnc fans argue it

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Lmao nice ragebaiting but 2 half good years <<<<<< 5 years of consistency

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consistently 4-5th on his team

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chron will be 0 champs and ethan 2 , chron the most overrated player ALL TIME

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dude i've been saying this many times, EG 2023 without ethan wouldnt reach their peak, demon1 literally replacable with any aim demon, the core was ethan - jawgemo combo

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boostio igling was crucial too

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yup thats true

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you could say that about anyone buddy, Ethan literally replaceable with a good Initiator, Jawgemo Literally replaceable with someone who just runs it down, the core was Boostio-C0M.... They couldnt have done it without the other

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nice try semen1 alt

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Ethan >

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grass is green delighted

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invy and jremy are better

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pacific pride ofc they are better

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✋😐🤚