Am I the only one that believes they should not be going to Champions?
Surely you should have to make Playoffs for Champions points to count?
The only thing I am happy about is that Aspas and Cortezia are going
MIBR?
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Nah they were consistent 2/3rds of the year, no one else was that consistently better besides sen and g2
cameran [#4]Nah they were consistent 2/3rds of the year, no one else was that consistently better besides sen and g2
Does not matter about Consistency. They will likely, not definitely, but likely leave Champions winless , when other teams that can 2-0 them in our Region are not.
Its about representation, and we will not be going in with our 4 Best Teams because of the Rule.
UhhBrandon [#2]champions points account for the whole year not just stage 2 playoffs
I Understand, but it seems stupid to me. What if there was a team that was decent enough to barely scratch internationals during Kickoff and Stage 1 like MIBR but go winless in Stage 2, look like absolute shit yet still make it to champions.
If Riot wants the best teams to make it to Champions, than this rule does not make sense in the slightest.
TyIerFPS [#5]Does not matter about Consistency. They will likely, not definitely, but likely leave Champions winless , when other teams that can 2-0 them in our Region are not.
Its about representation, and we will not be going in with our 4 Best Teams because of the Rule.
Energy, C9, 000thieves all wouldnt had done any better I aint gonna lie Tyler
It's best to reward teams who have been consistent. MIBR did enough to the point where they could strat save in stage 2
cameran [#7]Energy, C9, 000thieves all wouldnt had done any better I aint gonna lie Tyler
It's best to reward teams who have been consistent. MIBR did enough to the point where they could strat save in stage 2
If NRG can 2-0 MIBR than yeah, they can do much better.
cameran [#4]Nah they were consistent 2/3rds of the year, no one else was that consistently better besides sen and g2
CAMERA MAN :3 GOT SIGNED
the problem is that mibr g2 and sen were consistently top 3 in the region. no other team made a dent to that. I also dont think that mibr should not be in champs over c9 but they were the most consistent over the other americas teams (other than sen and g2 ofc). so really you have to blame the middle teams (100t nrg lev kru c9) for being so dogshit in those 2 splits. keep in mind that in all of americas, sen and g2 only lost once from teams that were not themselves (kru beat sen)
m0rtem [#13]the problem is that mibr g2 and sen were consistently top 3 in the region. no other team made a dent to that. I also dont think that mibr should not be in champs over c9 but they were the most consistent over the other americas teams (other than sen and g2 ofc). so really you have to blame the middle teams (100t nrg lev kru c9) for being so dogshit in those 2 splits. keep in mind that in all of americas, sen and g2 only lost once from teams that were not themselves (kru beat sen)
I'm blaming Riot. They keep emphasizing the idea "Champions is SO much better than Masters, Fuck masters just make Champs". If this is the mentality they want to give then make it so. Do not reward people for making the "Lesser" Events, and instead reward the Organizations that decided to lock in and do their best to make it to the event they deem as "Superior".
If NRG do not make Champions because of MIBR, I will never stop bringing it up. I will not be blaming whoever beats them, because that just means that team is better than MIBR anyways.
Hugo88 [#14]EDG...
Go talk about EDG somewhere else if you'd like, otherwise your useless here. This is about MIBR
Finland [#16]Recency bias andy... the whole year counts dummy
I am. What is the point trying to get our best representation when almost every team Alive in Playoffs would 2-0 MIBR Currently.
If Riot wants best representation going into what they call "The most important event of the Year", Than don't let a team that couldn't make Playoffs qualify. Simple Logic
TyIerFPS [#6]I Understand, but it seems stupid to me. What if there was a team that was decent enough to barely scratch internationals during Kickoff and Stage 1 like MIBR but go winless in Stage 2, look like absolute shit yet still make it to champions.
If Riot wants the best teams to make it to Champions, than this rule does not make sense in the slightest.
ya but MIBR was insane in the first half of the season .....u just wanna ignore that performance?
Luceus [#3]living under a rock? most people agree with you
These people are pissing me off. The second they cannot back up their Argument they resort to just disliking, lowk rage baiting my Ass.
TyIerFPS [#6]I Understand, but it seems stupid to me. What if there was a team that was decent enough to barely scratch internationals during Kickoff and Stage 1 like MIBR but go winless in Stage 2, look like absolute shit yet still make it to champions.
If Riot wants the best teams to make it to Champions, than this rule does not make sense in the slightest.
if they went winless they simply wouldn't classify lol what is your point
TyIerFPS [#15]I'm blaming Riot. They keep emphasizing the idea "Champions is SO much better than Masters, Fuck masters just make Champs". If this is the mentality they want to give then make it so. Do not reward people for making the "Lesser" Events, and instead reward the Organizations that decided to lock in and do their best to make it to the event they deem as "Superior".
If NRG do not make Champions because of MIBR, I will never stop bringing it up. I will not be blaming whoever beats them, because that just means that team is better than MIBR anyways.
wdym by emphasizing the idea that champs is so much better than masters, riot themselves isnt doing that, thats literally the entire reason for why they are rewarding teams for going to the previous events
Pototo [#19]ya but MIBR was insane in the first half of the season .....u just wanna ignore that performance?
Firstly, they were not Insane. They only qualified to one International and went Winless.
Secondly, Yes. You wouldn't let EG Qualify, although they won and lost almost the same ammount of rounds in the Group Stage.
nrg sucked at the start of the year
c9 choked as usual
100t was mid
Lev was abysmal
the only other team that couldve deserved to go over mibr would be KRU but unlike mibr, they werent consistent enough to qualify and lost the first match of playoffs
why is it that mibr cant be rewarded for kickoff, split 1 and a masters qualification, but all those other teams should when they only got good now?
recency bias? only the current best team gets to go? fuck the rest of the year?
mibr got the points, they played the game, they got in, im not gonna say it was well played but they made it
the other teams didnt.
it would be a pretty bad example to set for teams to just say that only the split 2 good teams can qualify because then what would be the point really?
wouldnt then the most cost efficient method to just become split 2 merchants, sign a budget team at the start of the year then just buy up?
i mean according to your logic masters only matters if you win it, so why even bother if you arent sure? just wait to see whos good and buy them later
bbebox [#22]wdym by emphasizing the idea that champs is so much better than masters, riot themselves isnt doing that, thats literally the entire reason for why they are rewarding teams for going to the previous events
It is Riot that is doing that, otherwise the Idea that Ascension teams get more favors the closer they get to making Champions (Making Playoffs = Contention in Ascension. Making Champions = Staying in Franchising)
It makes more sense to reward teams that tried harder to do better, and did, than ones who are doing worse.
TyIerFPS [#25]It is Riot that is doing that, otherwise the Idea that Ascension teams get more favors the closer they get to making Champions (Making Playoffs = Contention in Ascension. Making Champions = Staying in Franchising)
It makes more sense to reward teams that tried harder to do better, and did, than ones who are doing worse.
The reason they reward Ascension teams based on Champs is because Champs is the end of the season, so ofc they are going to use the end placement of the ascension teams to judge whether they should compete in ascension or stay in VCT
TyIerFPS [#6]I Understand, but it seems stupid to me. What if there was a team that was decent enough to barely scratch internationals during Kickoff and Stage 1 like MIBR but go winless in Stage 2, look like absolute shit yet still make it to champions.
If Riot wants the best teams to make it to Champions, than this rule does not make sense in the slightest.
Are you watching playoffs? It's fine
Wdym are you the only one that thinks that have you seen vlr the past 2 says that's all everyone is on about
cioccolat [#24]nrg sucked at the start of the year
c9 choked as usual
100t was mid
Lev was abysmalthe only other team that couldve deserved to go over mibr would be KRU but unlike mibr, they werent consistent enough to qualify and lost the first match of playoffs
why is it that mibr cant be rewarded for kickoff, split 1 and a masters qualification, but all those other teams should when they only got good now?
recency bias? only the current best team gets to go? fuck the rest of the year?
mibr got the points, they played the game, they got in, im not gonna say it was well played but they made it
the other teams didnt.
it would be a pretty bad example to set for teams to just say that only the split 2 good teams can qualify because then what would be the point really?
wouldnt then the most cost efficient method to just become split 2 merchants, sign a budget team at the start of the year then just buy up?
i mean according to your logic masters only matters if you win it, so why even bother if you arent sure? just wait to see whos good and buy them later
also nrg is going anyway considering theres still one spot and they're clearly the better and actually deserving team
cioccolat [#24]nrg sucked at the start of the year
c9 choked as usual
100t was mid
Lev was abysmalthe only other team that couldve deserved to go over mibr would be KRU but unlike mibr, they werent consistent enough to qualify and lost the first match of playoffs
why is it that mibr cant be rewarded for kickoff, split 1 and a masters qualification, but all those other teams should when they only got good now?
recency bias? only the current best team gets to go? fuck the rest of the year?
mibr got the points, they played the game, they got in, im not gonna say it was well played but they made it
the other teams didnt.
it would be a pretty bad example to set for teams to just say that only the split 2 good teams can qualify because then what would be the point really?
wouldnt then the most cost efficient method to just become split 2 merchants, sign a budget team at the start of the year then just buy up?
i mean according to your logic masters only matters if you win it, so why even bother if you arent sure? just wait to see whos good and buy them later
The same point can be made for letting MIBR Go.
Riot wants teams to believe that making Champions matters, so instead of letting Teams that decided to risk it all by making changes last second, do way better, make playoffs and almost Qualify but a Team that got shit on in the Group Stage makes it over them.
You mentioned "The Point". I don't know, the Love of the Game, maybe... MONEY. If you Love the game you would want to make the others regardless, if not Money does the rest.
The previous events should be forgotten UNLESS you are good enough to make Playoffs. I don't know why this is not common knowledge.
If this is the case than Wolves should make it because they did way better during Toronto where MIBR Went Winless, looked like absolute Shit and Wolves looked like the Third Best Team in the World.
Make it makes sense, it doesn't.
bbebox [#26]The reason they reward Ascension teams based on Champs is because Champs is the end of the season, so ofc they are going to use the end placement of the ascension teams to judge whether they should compete in ascension or stay in VCT
If Champions was not better, they would just reward an Ascension Team for making masters early on in the Year because that is what they are doing for MIBR Currently, but they don't.
It does not make sense, you cannot make it make sense.
EG should not in 2023, SEN should not in 2024, MIBR should not in 2025. But it's the rules anyway, so doesn't matter what we think. It's NA hypocrisy at it's finest
ffwagashi [#32]EG should not in 2023, SEN should not in 2024, MIBR should not in 2025. But it's the rules anyway, so doesn't matter what we think. It's NA hypocrisy at it's finest
The best take I heard so far.
TyIerFPS [#30]The same point can be made for letting MIBR Go.
Riot wants teams to believe that making Champions matters, so instead of letting Teams that decided to risk it all by making changes last second, do way better, make playoffs and almost Qualify but a Team that got shit on in the Group Stage makes it over them.
You mentioned "The Point". I don't know, the Love of the Game, maybe... MONEY. If you Love the game you would want to make the others regardless, if not Money does the rest.
The previous events should be forgotten UNLESS you are good enough to make Playoffs. I don't know why this is not common knowledge.
If this is the case than Wolves should make it because they did way better during Toronto where MIBR Went Winless, looked like absolute Shit and Wolves looked like the Third Best Team in the World.Make it makes sense, it doesn't.
consistency is key, mibr was consistent (and lucky), accept it
TyIerFPS [#31]If Champions was not better, they would just reward an Ascension Team for making masters early on in the Year because that is what they are doing for MIBR Currently, but they don't.
It does not make sense, you cannot make it make sense.
Champs is better, its the last major t1 event of the year, it has the most teams, and it has the most prize money. but the idea that riot pushes that it is "so much better" does not make sense, its the end of the season, meaning that the standings at that point are most reflective of the standings for the next event. Riot doesnt have to push anything, because by default, Champs is a bigger tournament.
bbebox [#35]Champs is better, its the last major t1 event of the year, it has the most teams, and it has the most prize money. but the idea that riot pushes that it is "so much better" does not make sense, its the end of the season, meaning that the standings at that point are most reflective of the standings for the next event. Riot doesnt have to push anything, because by default, Champs is a bigger tournament.
Than why reward a Team that did not step up when it mattered the most to make the most important Tournament of the Year?
TyIerFPS [#36]Than why reward a Team that did not step up when it mattered the most to make the most important Tournament of the Year?
Because they are trying to increase the importance of being good earlier in the year lol, thats my point. Riot isnt trying to push Champs as the most important tournament, it already is, they are trying to push masters as being important as well. My argument was about that, not about whether MIBR should or should not be at champs through the way they got there.
foythvlr [#21]if they went winless they simply wouldn't classify lol what is your point
Qualify* but good point
TyIerFPS [#18]I am. What is the point trying to get our best representation when almost every team Alive in Playoffs would 2-0 MIBR Currently.
If Riot wants best representation going into what they call "The most important event of the Year", Than don't let a team that couldn't make Playoffs qualify. Simple Logic
Well, first of all, pretty much anyone would get 2-0'd by Sen and G2 atm, and one of NRG and C9 are going to qualify, so basically you're mad that one of those teams didn't get in the champions. Sorry to say, but that's how it goes sometimes. Besides, it's not a Master's tournament, that are biased on the recent form of teams, but instead a Champions one, which means the whole season counts like it should.
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